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Old 03-17-2019, 04:22 PM   #751
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... and having MY2019 STI using the exact same engine as the Type RA isn't helping...
yep doesnt seem to appear as enough separation between regular sti w/w-out a tune

if Subaru announced only 500 copies of a S211 with a turbo flat 6 engine making around 400hp you could probably guaranteed it be sold out at around $45-55K+
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:47 PM   #752
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I'm not one of the S209 haters, I've still got my RA, but I'm really looking at it as how much of a step up from the RA is the S209?

Aesthetically, I actually think the RA is more attractive; I know the fender flares are purposeful, but they're a tad.... dare I saw ricer (plus that engine bay vent lol)?

I know the performance delta would be there, but I wonder how much is actually additional chassis / power versus just better rubber?

Regardless, I'll be keeping an eye out but I don't think I'll make the same mistake of running out to buy the first one I can get my hands on - if I ultimately decide to make the move.
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I'm not one of the S209 haters, I've still got my RA, but I'm really looking at it as how much of a step up from the RA is the S209?

Aesthetically, I actually think the RA is more attractive; I know the fender flares are purposeful, but they're a tad.... dare I saw ricer (plus that engine bay vent lol)?

I know the performance delta would be there, but I wonder how much is actually additional chassis / power versus just better rubber?

Regardless, I'll be keeping an eye out but I don't think I'll make the same mistake of running out to buy the first one I can get my hands on - if I ultimately decide to make the move.
The RA is mostly cosmetic, while the S209 has more performance bits.
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Thank god it wasnt lol
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The RA is mostly cosmetic, while the S209 has more performance bits.
Considering the Type RA roasted the 2018 STI by 5 seconds around VIR before the S209 roasted the Type RA by an additional 5 seconds I would have to say the Type RA is not mostly about cosmetics. Or else it would never have netted such a large improvement to begin with. The Type RA would have left an even wider gap on the 2018 STI if Subaru would have put better rubber on the car instead of the trash yokohama tires it comes with.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:17 AM   #757
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The RA is mostly cosmetic, while the S209 has more performance bits.
I would argue that it wasn’t, generating a 5 second gap over a ‘18 STi takes some work and that’s with the less then ideal tires it comes with. Throw the same tires the S209 will get on the RA and I’d imagine that the difference between the two will somewhat diminish.

No, I’m not inferring the RA is better on any level, but I just don’t see the S209 as being way more hardcore, it’s about 100+ lbs heavier as well.

At the end of the day, I think they’re both great and I’m happy I’ve at ‘least’ got an RA.
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Old 03-19-2019, 08:35 AM   #758
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First drive review: The 2019 Subaru WRX STI S209 has zero chill
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In the shadow of an active volcano, a pop-up city rises up and shouts in unison. The noise bounces off the tarmac and visibly shakes the delicious vapors that rise from nearby food trucks. The young women in long ponytails and short blue satin shorts who cheerlead from a low stage have to be freezing in the barely-50-degree morning air.

Parrotheads? Aphishionados? Ritual sacrifice? Nope.

This gatheringís more studiously adorable and more fanatic than any of those. The parking lotís a sea of blue and white Subarus, a smattering of Levorgs and Crosstrek Hybrid tSs, even an SVX. All of them wear STI badges. Itís a tuner party, a Cars and Coffee without a single eyebrow-raising burnout.

MORE: Read The Car Connection's 2019 Subaru WRX review

Itís also the coming-out for the WRX STI S209, Subaruís latest collectorís item, but itís a low-key debut. While the crowd cheers STIís 31st anniversary and listens patiently to the talk show on stage and snow-capped Mount Fuji begins to drape itself in a gray cape and go back into hiding, a WRX STI S209 wrapped in prototype swirl camo hides on the brief and hilly test track next to ďbigĒ Fuji Speedway, waiting for a handful of eager first drivers.

Thatís our cue. Helmet on, check the mirrors, wait for the hand that waves us out of pit lane. Salute the flagger on the way into the first turn.

Then donít let up.

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The ďSĒ cars form the peak of performance that Subaru defines downward from S, to STI, to tS (tuned by STI), to the Crosstreks and Imprezas the proles pilot to Costco and the Berkshires. Subaru Tecnica International has been at it since 1988, so itís hard to believe the S209 is the first STI ďSĒ car to make it to the U.S. Maybe theyíve had their hands full, winning WRC championships and Nurburgring endurance titles. That seems like it would keep a person busy.

The S209 dips the current WRX STI (itself a spin-off of the last-generation Impreza) in the well of STI knowledge. The fenders swell by 1.7 inches, cut in front with vents that cool the engine and in back to cut down on drag. ĎRing-ready aero mods smooth its tall sedan body: A carbon-fiber roof, front-bumper canards, underbody spoilers, and an immense fixed rear wing. Under all the padding and the S209 badgework and jewelry, itís still an Impreza sedanóon the inside, too, where sueded seats and a sueded flat-bottom steering wheel call out its mission as much as its serial-numbered S209 badges.

MORE: Limited-edition 341-hp Subaru WRX STI S209 storms Detroit

Pop the hood and the hardcore STI tuner knowledge stares up from a 2.5-liter flat-4 engine thatís been superseded in most other Subarus by a new-gen 2.0-liter engine. The 2.5-literís more logical for the S209, given the catalog of aftermarket parts it already commands. Engineers claim the 2.5ís easier to crank up to the power they wanted, which is substantial: 341 horsepower and 330 pound-feet of torque, compared to the Japanese-market predecessor S208 and its 325 hp. A larger turbocharger and compressor push out 18.0 psi of boost, versus 16.2 psi in the WRX STI. Also at hand are bigger fuel injectors, stronger connecting rods, higher-flow fuel pump and air intakes and exhaust system, and the chefís-kiss of a paddle-controlled sprayer that lets the driver spritz the intercooler with water to dial down the temperature and dial up the Inspector Gadget factor.

Tires and suspension changes finish off the S209. Versus the S208ís 255/35R19 tire the S209 wears Dunlop GT600A 265/35R-19 rubber, and gets its own Brembos with special brake pads, too. Bilstein dampers and stiffer coils join with better bushings and a thicker stabilizer bar. The S209ís strut-tower bar has an articulating joint in the middle that allows vertical motion while it ensures horizontal rigidity. Flexible stiffeners are drawn tight from firewall to fenders for better structural rigidity in the 3,485-pound body.

Those stiffeners are in place to allow some give in the suspension. They know when to give and take, when to be flexible and when to apply tension.

A tilt-a-whirl tuner special

My own tension lets go as the S209 reels out of turn one, ready for one whip-crack kink after another. This ultimate WRX STI has zero chill when it comes to traction. Even though the temperatures are dropping quickly and tires are growing cold, the S209 sticks like a stalker to the asphalt, daring me to keep the right pedal planted.

Challenge accepted. The trackís small, filled with elevation changes, hard to fumble, easy to slide through while an imaginary tether keeps the S209 hooked to the ground over curbs and through the elbows that pivot the pavement back toward the pits. The S209ís a Tilt-a-Whirl, innately aware of apexes thanks to those fantastically grippy tires and faultless all-wheel traction.

Itís so unflappable, I eat up a whole first lap comparing notes with BRZs Iíve driven here while I scan the horizon for Fuji and listen to the S209ís tires sing. The short trackís simple: skid over the first curb, let the car slide off-camber into a fast line between two shallow curves, then crank it right to head uphill through another duo on to a short straight, then carry traction through a 45-degree left-hander down the longer straight. Lather, rinse, repeat.

MORE: 2019 Subaru WRX and WRX STI Series.Gray revealed

By lap two, the S209 begs for a tighter inside line. I jam brakes and let it wag its way into both straights. In the same corner, the BRZ would be on its heels, drunk-dialing an Uber home. The S209 snaps to attention, flicks into turns and settles down, an unapologetic grip generator that would rather cook through corners on a hot set of tires than eat a hot meal. Thatís where weíre different.

Itís lap three before I realize my shoebox feet can slip across the pedals better, and hit a quick second-gear dip along the way around the test trackís double handful of corners. Before I get OK with sending it over the curbs in search of a straighter line. Before I find the perfect braking point in the middle of the last turn and punch a perfectly smooth path down toward a checkered flag that sends me on a cool-down lap toward pit lane.

As far as collectorís items go, this is one to break out of the blister packóno regrets, no apologies.

Over at the big Fuji track, a crowd still mills around the parking lot of STI history, but it begins to thin, and the scarf of clouds around the volcano turns into a cloak. Sunday traffic heading back to Tokyoís supposed to be a nightmare, and a fact-check with Google Maps agrees. Weíre done here.

Subaru says itíll sell maybe 200 STI S209s in the U.S., split between WR Blue Pearl with gray wheels or Crystal White Pearl with gold wheels. At a sticker of about $50,000, all thatís missing is the sealed nitrogen bubble. Expect the 50th anniversary STI party to showcase one of these and for its fans to fawn over it while they slurp hot ramen and try to stay warm in the chill of an early spring day.

Maybe by then, Iíll be part of the cult too. If Iím not already.



Subaru flew us to Tokyo to drive the STI S209, and paid for our hotel and for these little sweet tea cakes with a bird on the package, because they know weíre major Portlandia fans.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:56 PM   #759
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Considering the Type RA roasted the 2018 STI by 5 seconds around VIR before the S209 roasted the Type RA by an additional 5 seconds I would have to say the Type RA is not mostly about cosmetics. Or else it would never have netted such a large improvement to begin with. The Type RA would have left an even wider gap on the 2018 STI if Subaru would have put better rubber on the car instead of the trash yokohama tires it comes with.
Where did you see the S209 running 10 seconds a lap faster at VIR than an '18 STI and 5 seconds a lap faster than the Type RA? On the Lightning Lap history it looks like the Type RA is 5 seconds faster than a 2015 STI, but I have yet to see an actual lap time of the S209.
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Where did you see the S209 running 10 seconds a lap faster at VIR than an '18 STI and 5 seconds a lap faster than the Type RA? On the Lightning Lap history it looks like the Type RA is 5 seconds faster than a 2015 STI, but I have yet to see an actual lap time of the S209.
"All of these changes should net a car that is a little quicker in a straight lineóthink mid-fours to 60 mph and a high-12-second quarter-mileóand significantly quicker on a track. Our laps at VIR were by no means perfect. Activating the intercooler sprayer requires the driver to pull on what would be an automatic's shift paddles, and we forgot to activate it on almost every hot lap (every pull of a paddle for 0.6 second gets you about two seconds of water spraying), so its theoretical benefit of about five horsepower was forgotten on the straight. However, after only a handful of laps we were running about five seconds quicker than the Type RA we lapped last year and just a tenth or two behind our ATS-V's time."

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Where did you see the S209 running 10 seconds a lap faster at VIR than an '18 STI and 5 seconds a lap faster than the Type RA?
Sample size, one.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:41 PM   #762
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Sample size, one.
Makes sense to me.

Too bad itís minutia.

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water spray is the new turbo boost
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Fixed it for you
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"All of these changes should net a car that is a little quicker in a straight lineóthink mid-fours to 60 mph and a high-12-second quarter-mileóand significantly quicker on a track. Our laps at VIR were by no means perfect. Activating the intercooler sprayer requires the driver to pull on what would be an automatic's shift paddles, and we forgot to activate it on almost every hot lap (every pull of a paddle for 0.6 second gets you about two seconds of water spraying), so its theoretical benefit of about five horsepower was forgotten on the straight. However, after only a handful of laps we were running about five seconds quicker than the Type RA we lapped last year and just a tenth or two behind our ATS-V's time."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...totype-driven/
Good find! I thought I read that somewhere, but I could not remember where. That is amazing that this car is so quick on track with so little power compared to the ATS-V. It will be interesting to see how it does on other tracks.

This is also good news for the next gen STI (which I am very hopeful is a great car). With a better chassis, styling, engine, etc. the next gen STI has a lot of potential to be an awesome car. Please don't screw it up Subaru!
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:39 AM   #766
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So much hate toward the rare car lol. What do you want Subaru to do??
Itís ok to spend a 50k on a Rolex but $60000 on a rare limited edition Sti is crazy??
Smh, Americans cried for years for not getting the top Subaruís and now you cry about
The price. Geeeeezzz!
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No one knows the price yet. It's just speculation.
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Oh, they'll still complain. We are pretty certain it's going to be more than the RA and they are not happy it will be that much. I just can't wait to see everyone lose it when they do see the price.
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Who will complain louder though? Haters at the price or buyers who see the next year’s STI will get the same mechanical upgrades?
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Who will complain louder though? Haters at the price or buyers who see the next yearís STI will get the same mechanical upgrades?
I don't think the S209's mechanicals specifically will make it into a standard STI. The next gen may be a greater car however. But being "hand built", I really doubt many, if any, S series upgrades make it to a standard STI.
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When I saw that dealers were discounting the RA due to the insane price I was considering one... but couldn't quite justify the difference even then. I am a huge Subaru fan and will definitely check out the S209 when it comes out, but I think the price is going to put it within striking distance of much better/more prestigious/capable choices unless you are a die-hard Subaru loyalist (which isn't a bad thing... i've owned 3 WRX/STi models and will almost certainly return to the brand one day).
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Yeah, they are certainly not the best car on the road when approaching those prices; but, as you said....do you want to be a part of that? When it comes to the S209. Baddest ass Subaru they have ever put on the road. First time the US gets one. Only 200 of them available. I would absolutely agree it could get too expensive to consider, I am just not sure where I specifically would draw the line if I had the money to buy one. I could probably get one when they come, I just don't need to stretch myself like that. Now, if it came out at the end of next year. I will surely get the next gen STI when it comes out. HTCVT and all.
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It's worth it, think about all the upgrades it comes with, the wide body, suspension, the highly tuned engine that still has a warranty, all the carbon, and it being built by sti itself
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I think it's worth $15k over a base STI. Adding those parts yourself will get you over halfway there. Extra couple of grand is for how unique it is.
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It's worth it, think about all the upgrades it comes with, the wide body, suspension, the highly tuned engine that still has a warranty, all the carbon, and it being built by sti itself
What widebody? Ugly afterthought flares garners wrath on the CTR from the Subaru crowd. Subaru does it and itís crickets. A true wide body with bespoke blistered fenders would be cool.
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