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Old 06-27-2019, 07:10 AM   #1
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Mitsubishi is plotting a resurrection of the iconic Lancer Evolution as part of a return to its performance car roots.

It is planned to continue a rich history of Lancer Evolution models kicked off with the launch of the first-generation model in 1992, by offering supercar-beating acceleration together with the choice of either traditional four-door saloon or five-door hatchback bodystyles, according to Japanese-based sources.

Details remain scarce, but suggestions are the followup to the Lancer Evolution X produced between 2007 and 2016 would share key elements of its drivetrain with the next-generation Renault Mégane RS, with a turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine mated to a dual-clutch gearbox and an advanced Mitsubishi-developed S-AWC four-wheel drive system.

In its most potent form, the existing front-wheel-drive Renault Mégane RS’s MR designated engine delivers 296bhp and 295lb ft of torque. However, the possible addition of electronic boosting in a 48V mild-hybrid system being developed for the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance is likely to increase its reserves closer to the 341bhp and 319lb ft of the turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder four-cylinder powerplant used by the limited-edition Subaru Impreza WRX STi S209.

The 11th generation of the four-wheel-drive Lancer Evolution has been conceived to sit on the CMF-C/D F4 platform developed within Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi.

The current non-performance Lancer was discontinued as an international model in 2017, but the name lives on with a saloon model sold in Chinese-speaking markets due to its popularity.

The Evolution’s revival, part of Mitsubishi chairman Osamu Masuko’s plan to restore the Japanese maker to its previous position of strength within the performance car ranks, would depend on the Lancer returning in a new generation.

Masuko, 70, is set to surrender his position as CEO to Takao Kato. However, the Mitsubishi veteran will continue to lead the company in the position of chairman.

Previous plans by Masuko to develop a successor to the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X were placed on hold following heavy losses at the company and its subsequent purchase by Nissan in 2016.
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:12 AM   #2
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Pictured here, the Final Edition launched at the end of 2015 was Mitsubishi’s way of saying goodbye to a legend – the Lancer Evolution. Since then, company officials have repeatedly said the Evo is unlikely to come back, and even if it would, a performance SUV would be more likely rather than a rally-inspired sedan like the original. If a new report published by Autocar is to be believed, something must’ve changed in recent times as an all-new Lancer Evo sedan is apparently in the pipeline.

Citing undisclosed “Japanese-based sources,” Autocar alleges the eleventh generation of the Lancer will spawn a hot Evolution version with a powertrain derived from the Renault Megane RS. Bear in mind the report doesn’t refer to the current-gen French hot hatch, but to the next iteration of what is currently the fastest front-wheel-drive production car at the Nürburgring.

Mitsubishi says the Lancer Evolution is dead for good
In its hottest form, the Megane RS Trophy and its record-breaking Trophy-R sibling pack a turbocharged 1.8-liter gasoline engine with 296 horsepower and 295 pound-feet (400 Newton-meters) of torque. Thanks to a rumored implementation of a 48V mild-hybrid setup engineered by the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance corroborated with a bump in displacement to 2.0 liters, output will reportedly be pushed to as much as 341 hp and 319 lb-ft (433 Nm).

Even if these output numbers are legit, they’re still far less impressive than the mighty Lancer Evolution X FQ-440 MR, which had 440 hp and 412 lb-ft (559 Nm). By the way, the U.K.-only special edition limited to 40 units is still regarded by some as being the most powerful production four-cylinder car ever made, eclipsing even the upcoming Mercedes-AMG A45 S with its 416 hp and 369 lb-ft (500 Nm).

Getting back to the Lancer Evo XI, the report goes on to specify the car would ride on the CMF-C/D F4 platform developed by the alliance, with standard all-wheel drive. Autocar doesn’t say when the next generation of the sedan is scheduled to come out, but the Evo flavor is unlikely to debut in the next several years. That is if Mitsu does indeed plan to go after the Subaru WRX STI once again and is not busy repurposing another iconic nameplate for a crossover as it did with the Eclipse.
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Old 06-27-2019, 08:41 AM   #3
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It was the one thing that actually compelled people to visit a dealership.

They'll end up turning it into a SUV.

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Old 06-27-2019, 09:01 AM   #4
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Mitsubishi doesn't get a lot right but they do turbocharging and AWD as good or better than anyone so while it's promising I'm not going to get excited and will wait and see as there's some Nissan stench in the development.
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Mitsu had a great DTC trans and Subaru should use it instead of CVT
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Old 06-27-2019, 10:46 AM   #6
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Mitsu had a great DTC trans and Subaru should use it instead of CVT
That's like GM asking Ford to use their transmissions, especially when both of them at the time were "our AWD is better".

You don't understand the competition between the two.

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Old 06-27-2019, 10:57 AM   #7
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That's like GM asking Ford to use their transmissions, especially when both of them at the time were "our AWD is better".

You don't understand the competition between the two.

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I mean, Ford and GM did kinda co-develop a 9spd FF and a 10spd FR/F-4WD transmission together.... but normally, yeah, competition is as competition does.

I mean not to mention that a DCT would increase the cost over a CVT quite a bit, and that the Mitsu DCT unit was for transverse applications not longitudinal applications, and that it prone to overheating when driven hard.

Mitsu will come out with a new lancer EVO in sedan form right after Nissan releases a 240 successor in coupe form.
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Build it exactly as shown above, but make it an EV with motors to compete with the Model 3 performance version. Don't get caught up in range, leave it at 200 so the battery pack isn't huge. I'll knock down the door to buy it, even in sedan form.

Another gas driven vehicle that's 3-4 years out will be dead in the water, imo. Some point soon, gas vehicles will be reserved for boring long-distance commuters once more manufactures start making performance cars with EV. Just too many advantages. The advantages to remaining gas are purely nostalgic.
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Mitsubishi doesn't get a lot right but they do turbocharging and AWD as good or better than anyone so while it's promising I'm not going to get excited and will wait and see as there's some Nissan stench in the development.
They get it right when they go all in and throw it all into one vehicle. They missed the mark with the more critical entry level performance Lancer Ralliart where the WRX just out performed it. They had all the pieces to make a WRX competitor but were late to execute and when they did, it flopped.
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Build it exactly as shown above, but make it an EV with motors to compete with the Model 3 performance version. Don't get caught up in range, leave it at 200 so the battery pack isn't huge. I'll knock down the door to buy it, even in sedan form.

Another gas driven vehicle that's 3-4 years out will be dead in the water, imo. Some point soon, gas vehicles will be reserved for boring long-distance commuters once more manufactures start making performance cars with EV. Just too many advantages. The advantages to remaining gas are purely nostalgic.
I'm all on board with this. I always assumed my wife was going to be the first to get an EV because I always assumed the boring cars would be first to get converted, with performance EVs starting off in spacebux territory. I'm all on board with me getting to swap my car first, though! Realistically, it's the better choice for us to swap anyways since we use her car as the comfy road trip vehicle.
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use an EV motor to assist the gas engine and you have the right kind of performance hybrid. If its all EV, the weight will be an issue. Use a small battery pack, plus capacitors for quick voltage dumps. It'll be crazy fast.
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They get it right when they go all in and throw it all into one vehicle. They missed the mark with the more critical entry level performance Lancer Ralliart where the WRX just out performed it. They had all the pieces to make a WRX competitor but were late to execute and when they did, it flopped.
Yep,


Their biggest mistake was killing the Eclipse GSX. The next mistake was replacing it with the SST only Ralliart. Put the GSR 5 spd in that car, drop the price and say buh-bye to the WRX.

But no.
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use an EV motor to assist the gas engine and you have the right kind of performance hybrid. If its all EV, the weight will be an issue. Use a small battery pack, plus capacitors for quick voltage dumps. It'll be crazy fast.
Hybrid is a hard stop for me. Not going to happen. I don't think the performance market would support a hybrid.

I think if they kept the range low so the battery pack was smaller, it could be a hit. Standard range tesla is like 3500 lbs. add in motor for awd and maybe that jumps to 3700 lbs. The Lancer Evo EV could be smaller than the model 3, so maybe that offsets the weight of the extra motor, so maybe it's 3500 lbs.

that's heavy, but not terrible. only 100 lbs heavier than the STI. Build it with Nissan, who already has the EV game going... Heck, use the 62kW battery in the new leaf.

I think Mitsu would do well for itself to re-align itself with the future of personal transportation, which is EV. Currently, their gasoline cars are very meh. And while the Evo has heritage, things change. Don't wait for the future, be the future. Set the pace.

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use an EV motor to assist the gas engine and you have the right kind of performance hybrid. If its all EV, the weight will be an issue. Use a small battery pack, plus capacitors for quick voltage dumps. It'll be crazy fast.
Four thousand pound Lancer Evolution Eleven that goes limp after 1 lap instead of 3.
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Their biggest mistake was killing the Eclipse GSX. The next mistake was replacing it with the SST only Ralliart. Put the GSR 5 spd in that car, drop the price and say buh-bye to the WRX.

But no.
Yes and no. Yes, the manual was needed and price needed to drop but the car lacked power, proper suspension and tire setup and steering feel.

Here is a review of the Ralliart from 2008:
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Yep,


Their biggest mistake was killing the Eclipse GSX. The next mistake was replacing it with the SST only Ralliart. Put the GSR 5 spd in that car, drop the price and say buh-bye to the WRX.

But no.
Their biggest mistake for me was the EVO X. Got damn if they would have put a 6 spd manual in it and spent a little bit of $ on sound deadening it would be in the garage right now. And I fuggin hate sedans! Came real close to a FE but couldn't do it.

A GS Turbo was my first car. The GSX was my second car. I still miss the driver's seat/cockpit of that car with the ICE/climate center console aimed at me and away from the passenger. Felt like getting into a plane. I loved that car and beat the holy hell out of it a nd it never broke down on me.
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Their biggest mistake for me was the EVO X. Got damn if they would have put a 6 spd manual in it and spent a little bit of $ on sound deadening it would be in the garage right now. And I fuggin hate sedans! Came real close to a FE but couldn't do it.

A GS Turbo was my first car. The GSX was my second car. I still miss the driver's seat/cockpit of that car with the ICE/climate center console aimed at me and away from the passenger. Felt like getting into a plane. I loved that car and beat the holy hell out of it a nd it never broke down on me.
I remember my DSM days fondly (owned a Talon and Eclipse). Threw on EVO3 16G which later became FP Green, 660 cc injectors, HKS 264 cams, SAFC II, crudely tuned with a pocket logger and the cars went like stink. Looking back it's astonishing the beating the 4G63 could take given the crude tuning methods of the time but it was one of those rare cars where most mods actually did make the car go faster. IMO maybe the greatest 4-cylinder engine of all time.
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I couldn't tell you the last time I saw an EVO of any vintage. Where have they all gone?
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PNW.

Until I moved out here, I never saw any. Now I see them daily (and it's not because I work at a Mitsu dealer)
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English Racing and ETS bruh.
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I see X's fairly frequently, but rarely 8's or 9's. They must not fare as well in the squiddy cycle. As soon as they become attainable by the kiddos they get gobbled up and destroyed.

Really it's probably more that there were so few of them in general compared to say, WRX. None of these cars end up in a junk yard unless they're genuinely totaled.

I cheer any sign of life out of Mitsubishi. The base EVO should target a WRX price tag though. Definitely no hybrid, not even fancy diffs or yaw controller, just software and brake-actuated "torque vectoring" BS. "Sacrilege!" we'll all scream! But then they'll actually sell cars. Then if you really care about that stuff you can pony up $8k more the the EVO MR or whatever.
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I expect to see this the same time we see the next RX-7, so probably never or not the way we'd want if they ever do.
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I honestly would like to see Mitsu make the Evo again. That was the biggest mistake for that company to kill it off. Nobody wants half the other cars they make today.
I don't see myself buying another one again but, they were fun.
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I don't see myself buying another one again but, they were fun.
Some day, yes.


But it's not what they need now.


They do two things well: AWD performance cars, and 4WD trucks.


They currently offer neither of those. Instead they are trying to be a "green" company. While I have zero doubt that they can engineer the vehicles, they just won't be able to sell them in the numbers needed to be a franchise in the US.

They have great products, don't get me wrong. There's just no incentive to choose a Mitsubishi over the competition. Bring back the Eclipse and GSX on a modified Eclipse Cross (think Forester being turned into an Impreza) DO NOT put the SST in it. Then bring back the Lancer and a eventually the EVO. But again, have a version without all the fancy diffs, SST etc.... Effectively a RA but with EVO power and handling.
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Squared off fenders and the old Ralliart setup shoehorned into a Mirage would get me into finding an actual diamond dealer.
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