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08-14-2019, 02:23 PM | #201 | |
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I think a higher powerband and ~7,500 rpm redline is very reasonable to ask for. Subaru can easily make power up there as proved by many FA20 builds on here. Swapping to a slightly larger turbo and higher flowing intake manifold is all that it takes. They could also change the cam profiles and improve the head flow. The BRZ heads already make power up there. Dual injection (port & direct) also helps with higher RPM power and minimizes carbon buildup. The extra displacement from the FA24 would help offset additional turbo lag. I've owned a lot of Hondas (S2000, Civic w/ K20a, Civic w/ B18C, etc.) with 8,500-9,000 rpm redlines. Now we live in a time where v8 Mustangs have a higher redline than most cars (Mustang GT 7,500 rpm & GT350 8,250 rpm).
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08-14-2019, 02:53 PM | #202 |
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New STI needs dual injection. Not sure why it's not standard expectation. Haven't heard any downsides to dual injection.
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08-14-2019, 03:05 PM | #203 |
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It's more complex and expensive for minimal upside. It's not like Euro Golf R's are any faster than North American models. People make a big deal over carbon deposits but I would take a walnut blast once every 100k over the cost associated with maintaining a dual injection system out of warranty.
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08-14-2019, 03:51 PM | #204 | ||
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That's on my shopping list, definitely a great motor. I personally don't mind the low horsepower/high revving cars though. I've recently driven a S2000 and a RX8 and they were an absolute treat to drive. Excellent feeling engines that rev to the moon, despite being low on power for modern standards. Faster than a Miata, but still plenty of fun and you don't get in trouble wringing them out to 8000+ RPM because that's just normal highway speed Quote:
I just hope that they don't reuse that same philosophy with the next gen cars. They really need to at least make the STI feel better than the stock WRX which is clearly built to feel like a 2.0T VW product. These powerful cars that don't rev at all are pretty damn boring once you get used to their power. It is funny seeing Ford as the manufacturer that keeps a high revving engine and actually developing it further. It used to be the Japanese motors that did that, but now they're all headed down the path of 6000RPM redline 4 cylinders which is a shame. |
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08-14-2019, 03:57 PM | #205 |
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There are definitely benefits to dual injection:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...ect-injection/ The BRZ already has Toyota's D4-S dual injection. It's slightly more complex and expensive to develop, but there are benefits and most of the complexity and cost (for development and maintenance) will be related to direct injection which the FA20DIT already has. Port injection is lower pressure and been around forever. Maintenance of that is cheap in comparison. The most expensive aspect of dual injection will be the design and factory tuning. Dual injection helps be more "energy efficient" with fuel usage and balance power, emissions, mileage, durability, drivability, etc. Both direct & port injection have their downsides, but combining the two pretty much eliminate those. You get the best of both worlds. I would certainly pay $500 more for a car that has dual injection rather than having to worry about carbon deposits and paying $500+ every 50k miles or so. It's an added headache for maintenance that shouldn't be required. |
08-14-2019, 04:43 PM | #206 |
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I can almost guarantee you that the next STI (if it does get the FA24) will have the same FA24 as the Ascent with some tweaks but the internals and main components will be the same. Think the basic upgrades as in FXT vs WRX with the FA20. There really no need to make this some sort of a F&F crowd wet dream as ICE technology is on the way out anyway and this is such a low volume model. There is NO WAY they will spend money or resources to satisfy few keyboard racers that will likely buy something else anyways. I just don't see it.
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08-14-2019, 04:50 PM | #207 | |
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What are the "bones"? If you are talking chassis, it's the same across the brand now. I'd think the only thing shared here on out is the interior dash. Quote:
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08-14-2019, 07:34 PM | #209 |
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The question is... after the sti gets the fa24, will the wrx also get one? There's no other models in the US with the fa20. I guess if they keep building them in Japan it will make sense to keep it. But i could also see them putting a de-tuned fa24 in the wrx.
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FA24 WRX and FXT.
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08-14-2019, 10:57 PM | #211 |
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The torque curve of a “proper” STI-tuned FA24DIT will be glorious. I’m convinced the mod ceiling will be higher than the EJ too. Make it 320/320 with a twin-scroll + DI and prepare to be amazed. Gobs of torque at low rpm, which on an AWD 6MT would be freakin nuts to drive.
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08-15-2019, 12:48 AM | #212 | |
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08-15-2019, 04:10 AM | #213 | |
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08-15-2019, 07:43 AM | #214 | |
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Just need a modern engine in that thing. I think 80% of modders, myself included, just want the low-hanging Stg 2 catless setup. Hopefully the 24DIT will deliver and then some. |
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08-15-2019, 09:43 AM | #215 | |
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The tablet thing is a styling cue that some either love or hate, I don't like it personally, but it's what the industry has been doing so it's whatever. I'm just mostly talking about the overall interior experience and the "newer" cars in the segment are way better than the Impreza which along with the pre-updated Civic are the oldest in the class. I was just mostly making a point that Subaru CANNOT get away with slapping the majority of that interior into the 2021-2022 WRX and expect it to last another 6-8 years beyond that without it looking awful. If it's crappy now, imagine how crappy it will be a decade from now when it's sold in $40k+ cars. |
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Pricing released for the 2020 models. The wrx performance package now comes with Brembos. Also, keyless entry standard in all STI models.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/subaru-announces-pricing-for-2020-brz-wrx-and-wrx-sti-performance-model-lines-300902522.html |
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08-15-2019, 01:19 PM | #220 | |
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Ah, OK. I'll have to go check them out for feel. But, the current interior was highly praised. Still is in many cases; so, I'm not following the "crappy" interior comment. I do agree it would be nice that a "new" interior is what goes into it since it'll be out either at the same time as the next Impreza or after. There are many things Subaru does that don't surprise me; but, if they did put the older interior in without any sort of update, I think that would surprise me. |
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08-15-2019, 01:22 PM | #221 | |
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08-15-2019, 01:27 PM | #223 |
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Brembos on the WRX! Did the Earth reverse rotation?!?!
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08-15-2019, 01:33 PM | #224 | |
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It looks like the only interesting thing that the STI is getting is "redesigned engine bay cooling ducts in the front bumper" I'm also surprised that they're bringing back the BRZ tS as I saw quite a few of those sitting at dealerships for a long time. The only real change seems to be that they ditched the huge CF wing. |
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08-15-2019, 02:13 PM | #225 | |
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Well, that depends on what you consider to be an "update". They technically updated the interior for the WRX/STI by adding that godawful fake plastic carbon fiber crap all throughout it and adding a bigger dashboard screen and whatnot. It's not a 1 for 1 with the Impreza/Crosstrek interior of that era...but you can easily tell it's very similar. I just don't want to see it like that again, considering I am still very interested in the next gen. Especially since there really isn't anything left in the class anymore and no matter how old I get, I still really enjoy the "hot hatch" category of car. |
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