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Old 08-22-2019, 02:33 PM   #801
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Meh, aftermarket dev for the FA will catch up eventually. There are already pretty stout built FA blocks out there.
I think EJ207 stands in a class of its own in terms of reliability and power (thicker cylinder liners due to smaller 2.0L bore, ideal rod-to-stroke ratio due to 75 mm crank, better heads and so forth and so on).
But, I wonder how people get their EJ207-powered street Subies through smog testing in Cali; that alone must be a hassle (even if it's only every other year).
Correct, eventually...but not today or tomorrow, but some day.

As for getting a EJ207 passed smog, the only real issue is the ECU. Which you will need to swap out with an EJ205 (with a base tune of your setup) and then swap out after it passes. Everything else is the same (stock catted DP, CARB approved intake, etc) for a getting a car passed smog.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:46 PM   #802
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I'm on a lot of car forums and one thing I notice about NASIOC is anytime a discussion about the EJ starts it feels like being warped back in time 10 years. What is more to be discussed when it comes to arguably the most overrated engine in the history of automobiles?
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:58 PM   #803
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I'm on a lot of car forums and one thing I notice about NASIOC is anytime a discussion about the EJ starts it feels like being warped back in time 10 years. What is more to be discussed when it comes to arguably the worst engine on the market today relative to its peers?
Haha! If the FA is suppose to be it's peer, you are gravely mistaken in your trolling assessment. I would argue the FA is worse, since it was suppose to be a superior design after knowing all of the EJ's weaknesses, but came out with it's own that the EJ didn't have. Basically, it traded one issue (piston) for a far worse issue (rods).
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:12 PM   #804
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Having actually worked at a Subaru shop putting together builds for customers, the FA makes more power with fewer, easier mods due to the DIT/fuel delivery and good stock turbo and turbo plumbing especially with Flex Fuel... While the EJ once built can throw giant snails at it to make big power. FA's have extremely few turbo options right now.

If the FA24 really does have beefier internals, it should respond quite well to mods/tunes.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:15 PM   #805
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Having actually worked at a Subaru shop putting together builds for customers, the FA makes more power with fewer, easier mods due to the DIT/fuel delivery and good stock turbo and turbo plumbing especially with Flex Fuel... While the EJ once built can throw giant snails at it to make big power. FA's have extremely few turbo options right now.

If the FA24 really does have beefier internals, it should respond quite well to mods/tunes.
Good to hear. Prime Motoring seems to have the same observations about the FA24. Granted it's only one example without much testing yet, they've already pushed the stock internals to over 450whp. Time will tell if it'll hold up. But will a stock internal EJ257 hold up at those power levels?

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...hlight=fa24dit

Not talking about maximum potential, the FA20 can make power a lot easier (and cheaper) than the EJ257. If Subaru builds an STI version of the FA24DIT, I have no doubt that it'll be better than the dinosaur EJ257. I think a better HPFP and pnp auxillary port injection system will help push the FA further.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:30 PM   #806
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But will a stock internal EJ257 hold up at those power levels?
The new RA EJ257 stock short blocks have been known to hold up 550whp so far. Definite improvement over the previous short blocks, but the EJ257 SB really only had issues on bad tunes (below 450whp) or failing when the oil runs low. So in comparison, the FA is still not better than the EJ due to rods failing at a lower hps.
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The new RA EJ257 stock short blocks have been known to hold up 550whp so far. Definite improvement over the previous short blocks, but the EJ257 SB really only had issues on bad tunes (below 450whp) or failing when the oil runs low. So in comparison, the FA is still not better than the EJ due to rods failing at a lower hps.
Glad I have the new EJ257s in my '19 STI

It'll be interesting to see how the better rods in the FA24 hold up in comparison to the FA20. Subaru certainly has the ability to make it stronger than the EJ257, but the question is will they do it?

Of course, then there's the S209's EJ257 with forged internals.. too bad we won't be able to get our hands on those short blocks.

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Old 08-22-2019, 10:29 PM   #808
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.. too bad we won't be able to get our hands on those short blocks.
Fingers crossed on Subaru selling S209 short blocks to non-owners. If not, perhaps KillerBee and other S209 owners could order a bunch for the Subaru community and then explain to SOA why they had to buy 1000's of spare S209 SB's.
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Well the SB would be the only part they wouldn't question if multiple were ordered under the same VIN. wink wink
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:49 PM   #810
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Update on Prime Motoring's FA24 testing.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...7#post46106417

502whp/484 lb-ft @ 22.1psi and they ran out of fuel (stock injectors & HPFP). Still in the process of mocking up the IBR BRZ manifold kit. They're waiting on speed density & port injection tuning software now.

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Update on my FA24 swap. @jrtuned and I have been working tirelessly these last 3 days etuning and figuring out little nuisances with this motor. Unfortunately we are out of fuel and at the limits of the MAF so we can not push further but happy to have hit the 500whp on a completely stock motor and only 22.1psi. The most remarkable thing about it is i counted the amount of pulls we have made these last few days and this thing has seen 56 dyno pulls, in some terrible humidity ALL at 460+ whp & 460+ wtq and many with some very nasty break ups and misfires as he dialed in this thing. No break in whatsoever, right on the dyno, straight to ethanol, still on the original non synthetic oil, it has not left those rollers and has not skipped a beat. Tested before and once again tested after, 235psi compression & under 5% leakdown across each cylinder. Color me impressed with this engine. It has me looking very forward to the next gen STI. Now simply waiting on COBB Speed Density software and/or some port injection. @ibuildracecars sent me mockup adapters for the BRZ manifold and they arrived today so all thats in the works. I want to see where we can take this stock motor to so we have a leg up come time the next gen STI is released. Exciting times ahead.
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:50 PM   #811
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Drive Performance Magazine just published an article about the S209 including a photo of it in blue with Silver wheels:

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Old 09-04-2019, 05:11 PM   #813
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Drive Performance Magazine just published an article about the S209 including a photo of it in blue with Silver wheels:

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I still can't bring myself to like the unpainted front bumper...looks like an evo with its mouth open
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Drive Performance Magazine just published an article about the S209 including a photo of it in blue with Silver wheels.[/img]
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Bummer.. the article just repeats the same information that we've had since the press release in January. And the same "late 2019" date with no pricing.

http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...ful-model-ever

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Looks amazing. I wish I could get one but it’s way to much for a daily and I don’t have time for a toy.
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I have reserved one through the dealer we get our new shop cars from. They made some calls to verify they were getting an allocation (2). They have no delivery date except for 'probably in October', and they have no idea (and no choice) on the colors they are getting.
I can't disclose the price details
A member on iwsti reserved a S209 at $71,500 (with markup).

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I've already put money down on one of the two S209's that we're getting here in TN... I'm looking at bringing her home @ $71,500. I haven't got anything written in stone. Yet. Just based off my local dealer mark-ups when they had very few RA's.

..I sold my 2001 Integra Type R.. but had to make room for the S209!

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71k makes complete rational sense. It will only shoot straight up in value from there.
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He explicitly said that it won't be a garage queen. This will join his garage along with a '05 STi.

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Old 09-05-2019, 02:41 PM   #819
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71k makes complete rational sense. It will only shoot straight up in value from there.
Those who manage to get their hands on the S209 will be very lucky and I'm sure they'll enjoy it (if they drive it). I know that it's not as simple as a direct currency conversion, but for the S208...

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Pricing for a base S208 comes out to 5,800,000 yen ($50,831) before taxes, while a fully optioned NBR Challenge-equipped car will cost 6,580,000 yen ($57,667).

The S208 is limited to Japan only. Subaru will produce just 450 units, 350 of which will be NBR Challenge-optioned cars. Furthermore, since demand is so high, Subaru's set up a Lottery system on the car's website for people to enter to get the privilege to purchase one.
And for the very limited 380 hp STI TC 380:
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Only 50 of these limited edition STIs will be sold, each with a base price of 4,965,840. At current conversion rates, that works out to about $43,900, but it doesn't really matter. The TC 380 will only be sold in Japan.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/24680/...wrx-sti-tc-380

We're just lucky enough to get the US mark-up edition I'm sure it has to do with import taxes & fees, certifications, extra safety & emissions regulations, etc... But $20k more than the S208?

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Very lucky to spend 71k on a Subaru? Or to sit in stop and go traffic in their 71k Subaru?
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Very lucky statistically to obtain 1 of ~200

Very unlucky financially to spend $71k+ on a Subaru.
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A member on iwsti reserved a S209 at $71,500 (with markup).
Ha. And what happens if Subaru asks $70K MSRP?

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Those who manage to get their hands on the S209 will be very lucky. I know that it's not as simple as a direct currency conversion, but for the S208...



And for the very limited 380 hp STI TC 380:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/24680/...wrx-sti-tc-380

We're just lucky enough to get the United States mark-up edition I'm sure it has to do with import taxes & fees, certifications, extra safety & emissions regulations, etc... But $20k more than the S208?

And did those cars actually sell at those prices? Rewind waaay back to the 22B and it's MSRP and what they ACTUALLY sold for......back then.....
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Ha. And what happens if Subaru asks $70K MSRP?

And did those cars actually sell at those prices? Rewind waaay back to the 22B and it's MSRP and what they ACTUALLY sold for......back then.....
I'm certain that they'll be marked up even higher once they're in the dealers' hands.. especially without any official terms in writing.

I can't speak for the TC 380, but Subaru sold the S208 via a lottery system to avoid mark-ups.

"Since the demand exceeded the supply, Subaru set up a Lottery system on the car's website for people to be selected after entering a short application for the privilege to purchase one."
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I'm certain that they'll be marked up even higher once they're in the dealers' hands.. especially without any official terms in writing.

I can't speak for the TC 380, but Subaru sold the S208 via a lottery system to avoid mark-ups.

"Since the demand exceeded the supply, Subaru set up a Lottery system on the car's website for people to be selected after entering a short application for the privilege to purchase one."
And yet we still don't know the actual OTD price.....
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