Stopping Theft

2017WRXman · 11-28-2019, 08:01 PM

With the recent hike in keyless grabbers/extenders etc. How can we stop the entry and or theft for those of us with keyless entry.

Keeping the keys in a faraday cage will work at home but what about when opening the car with the button on the door handle and starting the vehicle, can they grab the code at that time?

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simpleJ · 11-28-2019, 11:59 PM

Get car insurance

MortonCharbo · 11-29-2019, 12:26 AM

Wrap some thick chain through your wheels and lock it up.

2017WRXman · 11-29-2019, 12:45 AM

Anybody with a helpful technical answer?

GlarryHoodDIT · 11-29-2019, 02:53 AM

Just how recently did you watch Gone in 60 Seconds?

Maybe you'll get lucky and Angelina Jolie will actually be the car thief this time.

Are you named Freb by chance?

TrashyMG · 11-29-2019, 07:31 AM

COBB offers Anti-Theft maps with their Accessport that prevent the car from starting. Just program the ECU before you leave the car, need to reprogram it back to what ever map you were running before you can go again... It's pretty straight forward, just will take a little prep before leaving and going and need to ensure you're programming for the right car and such and remember to take the accessport programmer with you and don't lose it.

Mulder · 11-29-2019, 08:03 AM

You may want to look into the statistics on how many late model WRX's actually get stolen. The answer is not many. Stick shift is a huge theft deterrent by itself, seems very few thieves these days know how to drive one.
Don't lose sleep over this.

WRXnick16 · 11-29-2019, 11:32 AM

I agree with the others. It would be a different story if you were driving a '97-01 Integra Type R.

If you're overly concerned:

Old school steering wheel lock or aftermarket quick release steering wheel
Wire in a hidden ignition kill switch
OBD2 diagnostic port lock
Get a fancy alarm system that you have to disable each time before physically moving the vehicle. Make sure it has plenty of hidden ear bleeding piezo sirens. These systems can send notifications to your phone as soon as it's triggered. Ideally, the system would be connected to a separate device (fob or phone app) so that your standard key fob can't disable the alarm (in case it's cloned). Anything is hackable these days, but this just adds a 2nd, yet inconvenient, layer of security.
Install a GPS tracker to track & quickly recover the vehicle. These can also send alerts.

As Mulder mentioned, having a manual transmission is a deterrent all on its own. There really isn't much valuable to steal from our cars unless you have the Recaro seats, aftermarket stereo, or wheels. If you had an STI, it may be a different story with the Brembos & STI drivetrain.

Can you tell that I've owned a lot of Hondas?

There are a lot of good alarm system threads over in the Honda forums due to their high theft rate. While the keyless entry aspect doesn't apply there, the overall design of the alarm system still does (2-way pager w/ 1 mile range, battery backup, ignition/starter/fuel pump kill switch, piezo sirens, shock sensor, tilt sensor, hood pin sensor, gps tracker, etc.). Most modern systems have encryption & "code hopping" to prevent cloning. But honestly, an alarm system sticker & steering wheel lock will probably prevent most thieves. It won't be worth their effort & risk.

Norskie · 11-29-2019, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulder

Don't lose sleep over this.

I agree. Then again, I live in a community where cars are generally only stolen when owners leave them running when they go into a store.

And I park in a garage.

2017WRXman · 11-29-2019, 12:10 PM

Its real...

https://kdvr.com/2019/08/05/denver-c...into-vehicles/

keyless car theft using signal booster 1 - YouTube

keyless car theft using signal booster 2 - YouTube

High-tech thief steals car with keyless entry - YouTube

3eyesraver · 12-02-2019, 04:35 PM

I kinda understand what OP mean. Computer Engineer here. There was an article about a tech dude created a signal interfered device that can steal your key-less code. Basically, he put it in a parking structure and left it on. The way it works is, when you in range of your car and press the key button, this device will jam your car receiving component and receive the signal from your key instead, save it as a text file, then play it back so your can can pops the door without you being suspicious. The victim will only feel a slightly delay.

I won't worry too much about this since tech savvy usually into Tesla now. Unless that person is weird like me.

IHaveAHorse · 12-07-2019, 08:41 PM

Man, people who steal cars and other personal property are some of the bottom of the bucket of scum of the earth. I put them hardly even one notch below (edit to clarify: as in, slightly less bad than) wife beaters/animal abusers/murderers.

A hidden kill switch will probably keep anything under $45-50k in value from disappearing in the vast majority of cases. If they want a $120k luxury car they'll do whatever they have to to take it. A WRX, they're probably not going to bother unless they can get in and drive it to a port or chop shop immediately with no hassle. The kill switch doesn't have to be hidden that well most likely, they don't want to be sitting there for 45 minutes looking for a switch. They'll run off pretty quick.

CerOf · 12-23-2019, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyMG

COBB offers Anti-Theft maps with their Accessport that prevent the car from starting. Just program the ECU before you leave the car, need to reprogram it back to what ever map you were running before you can go again... It's pretty straight forward, just will take a little prep before leaving and going and need to ensure you're programming for the right car and such and remember to take the accessport programmer with you and don't lose it.

What ^^^ he said...

I'm wagering that with each day that passes, the odds of my vehicle being stolen get less and less...Seems no one is teaching kids these days how to drive a stick.

willowlee · 12-28-2019, 07:10 PM

My brother is always telling me to pull fuses before leaving the car. I never try it, but i figure that would work.lol....

silverton · 12-30-2019, 02:28 PM

the accessport flashing a map is genius! my car was stolen with the emanage ultimate inside, thieves left it, car was recovered, now i don't leave it parked any where with the emanage in it. factory ecu doesn't know what to do with big injectors!

My shop recently had a 18 or 19 outback brought in with theft damage to the shifter. It had been kicked to the side to bypass the interlock, no broken windows.

GoFrogs · 01-20-2020, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2017WRXman

With the recent hike in keyless grabbers/extenders etc. How can we stop the entry and or theft for those of us with keyless entry.

Keeping the keys in a faraday cage will work at home but what about when opening the car with the button on the door handle and starting the vehicle, can they grab the code at that time?

If you are that concerned, and your car stands out a lot and appears to be very desirable; have an ignition lockout/cut-out, like on the back of drag cars, installed somewhere in a secret place in the car that ONLY you know about. A thief can't take a car, if they can't start a car...unless they have a tow truck.

Pedal lock-out bars do not work on the most determined thief, but will keep unprepared amateurs away. If you want to, put on on both the brake and clutch pedals. But then you have to mess with keys and storage.

Steering wheel lock bars are easily defeated and it has been proven so.

A fake blinking alarm LED may even deter would be thieves. Since the blinking LED is designed to indicate an alarm of some kind, the thief does not know if you do or do not have an alarm; unless they've followed you for several days/weeks.

I vote for the secret ignition lock-out. No spark, no go.

11-28-2019, 08:01 PM	#1
2017WRXman Scooby Newbie Member#: 507345 Join Date: Oct 2019	Stopping Theft With the recent hike in keyless grabbers/extenders etc. How can we stop the entry and or theft for those of us with keyless entry. Keeping the keys in a faraday cage will work at home but what about when opening the car with the button on the door handle and starting the vehicle, can they grab the code at that time? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-29-2019, 11:32 AM	#8
WRXnick16 Scooby Specialist Member#: 447898 Join Date: May 2016 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: W Sac, CA Vehicle: 2016 WRX (traded) 2019 STI CWP	I agree with the others. It would be a different story if you were driving a '97-01 Integra Type R. If you're overly concerned: Old school steering wheel lock or aftermarket quick release steering wheel Wire in a hidden ignition kill switch OBD2 diagnostic port lock Get a fancy alarm system that you have to disable each time before physically moving the vehicle. Make sure it has plenty of hidden ear bleeding piezo sirens. These systems can send notifications to your phone as soon as it's triggered. Ideally, the system would be connected to a separate device (fob or phone app) so that your standard key fob can't disable the alarm (in case it's cloned). Anything is hackable these days, but this just adds a 2nd, yet inconvenient, layer of security. Install a GPS tracker to track & quickly recover the vehicle. These can also send alerts. As Mulder mentioned, having a manual transmission is a deterrent all on its own. There really isn't much valuable to steal from our cars unless you have the Recaro seats, aftermarket stereo, or wheels. If you had an STI, it may be a different story with the Brembos & STI drivetrain. Can you tell that I've owned a lot of Hondas? There are a lot of good alarm system threads over in the Honda forums due to their high theft rate. While the keyless entry aspect doesn't apply there, the overall design of the alarm system still does (2-way pager w/ 1 mile range, battery backup, ignition/starter/fuel pump kill switch, piezo sirens, shock sensor, tilt sensor, hood pin sensor, gps tracker, etc.). Most modern systems have encryption & "code hopping" to prevent cloning. But honestly, an alarm system sticker & steering wheel lock will probably prevent most thieves. It won't be worth their effort & risk. Last edited by WRXnick16; 11-29-2019 at 12:07 PM.

12-07-2019, 08:41 PM	#12
IHaveAHorse Scooby Newbie Member#: 507873 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Vancouver	Man, people who steal cars and other personal property are some of the bottom of the bucket of scum of the earth. I put them hardly even one notch below (edit to clarify: as in, slightly less bad than) wife beaters/animal abusers/murderers. A hidden kill switch will probably keep anything under $45-50k in value from disappearing in the vast majority of cases. If they want a $120k luxury car they'll do whatever they have to to take it. A WRX, they're probably not going to bother unless they can get in and drive it to a port or chop shop immediately with no hassle. The kill switch doesn't have to be hidden that well most likely, they don't want to be sitting there for 45 minutes looking for a switch. They'll run off pretty quick. Last edited by IHaveAHorse; 12-08-2019 at 01:41 AM.

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11-28-2019, 11:59 PM	#2
simpleJ Scooby Specialist Member#: 391748 Join Date: May 2014 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: The Shire Vehicle: 2015 WRX CWP (sold) 2019 STi CWP	Get car insurance

11-29-2019, 12:26 AM	#3
MortonCharbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 487057 Join Date: Jun 2018 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: California Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon PSM	Wrap some thick chain through your wheels and lock it up.

11-29-2019, 12:45 AM	#4
2017WRXman Scooby Newbie Member#: 507345 Join Date: Oct 2019	Anybody with a helpful technical answer?

11-29-2019, 02:53 AM	#5
GlarryHoodDIT Scooby Specialist Member#: 460907 Join Date: Jan 2017 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Vehicle: 2016 WRX	Just how recently did you watch Gone in 60 Seconds? Maybe you'll get lucky and Angelina Jolie will actually be the car thief this time. Are you named Freb by chance?

11-29-2019, 07:31 AM	#6
TrashyMG Scooby Newbie Member#: 495125 Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Vermont Vehicle: 2019 WRX CBS	COBB offers Anti-Theft maps with their Accessport that prevent the car from starting. Just program the ECU before you leave the car, need to reprogram it back to what ever map you were running before you can go again... It's pretty straight forward, just will take a little prep before leaving and going and need to ensure you're programming for the right car and such and remember to take the accessport programmer with you and don't lose it.

11-29-2019, 08:03 AM	#7
Mulder Trust no one Moderator Member#: 11170 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 02 RAV4 MT 15 WRX/05 GTO	You may want to look into the statistics on how many late model WRX's actually get stolen. The answer is not many. Stick shift is a huge theft deterrent by itself, seems very few thieves these days know how to drive one. Don't lose sleep over this.

12-02-2019, 04:35 PM	#11
3eyesraver Scooby Newbie Member#: 504042 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: SOCAL - Sothern Cali Vehicle: 2018 WRX ISM	I kinda understand what OP mean. Computer Engineer here. There was an article about a tech dude created a signal interfered device that can steal your key-less code. Basically, he put it in a parking structure and left it on. The way it works is, when you in range of your car and press the key button, this device will jam your car receiving component and receive the signal from your key instead, save it as a text file, then play it back so your can can pops the door without you being suspicious. The victim will only feel a slightly delay. I won't worry too much about this since tech savvy usually into Tesla now. Unless that person is weird like me.

12-28-2019, 07:10 PM	#14
willowlee Scooby Newbie Member#: 358533 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: central california Vehicle: 2013 sti sedan wrb	My brother is always telling me to pull fuses before leaving the car. I never try it, but i figure that would work.lol....

12-30-2019, 02:28 PM	#15
silverton Scooby Newbie Member#: 331131 Join Date: Sep 2012 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Burien, WA Vehicle: 2001 2.5RS-T Silver..thorn Metallic	the accessport flashing a map is genius! my car was stolen with the emanage ultimate inside, thieves left it, car was recovered, now i don't leave it parked any where with the emanage in it. factory ecu doesn't know what to do with big injectors! My shop recently had a 18 or 19 outback brought in with theft damage to the shifter. It had been kicked to the side to bypass the interlock, no broken windows.