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Old 12-30-2019, 09:03 PM   #1976
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Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Catastrophic Failure While Parked

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-while-parked/

* Our long-term Tesla Model 3 broke down on Christmas Day. While parked.

* This is the first time we've ever had a long-term car suffer a catastrophic failure while parked, and also the first time we've been alerted to our being stranded by a push notification from a mobile app.

* Although the tow truck was extremely quick to arrive, we're now in an unknown holding pattern waiting for parts.

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Whatever you call the opposite of a Christmas miracle befell our long-term Model 3 last Wednesday. Our staff photographer, Michael Simari, was at his parents' home for a holiday gathering in suburban Detroit with the Model 3 parked outside when he received an ominous push notification from the Tesla app that the car had "suffered a failure and will no longer drive." Welcome to the connected, digital era of automobiles?

Not only is this the first time we've ever had a long-term car suffer a catastrophic failure while parked, it's also an extraordinarily rare case of any car leaving us stranded, something unacceptable for any new vehicle, particularly one that costs $57,690 and with merely 5286 miles on the odometer. Even our problem-prone Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio was at least able to limp to the dealer following each one of its numerous issues.

Impressively, even on Christmas Day, Tesla roadside assistance got a tow truck to us in about a half hour, which brought the car to the closest service center: Toledo, Ohio, because Tesla isn't allowed to operate company-owned service centers in Michigan. That's only about an hour away from our Ann Arbor, Michigan, headquarters, far closer than when we had a long-term Model S in 2015 and 2016, which had to be serviced nearly three hours away in Cleveland, Ohio. However, the dramatic increase in Tesla's sales since then has no doubt worked to degrade the service experience. Back in those days, the flatbed to pick up our car would be carrying a loaner Model S to drive while ours was away for service. This time, there was no offer of a loaner or any kind of temporary transportation, such as the Uber rides that we've heard have been proffered to some others in similar situations.

Our opinion on the service experience hasn't improved much in the subsequent days. We heard back on the afternoon of the 26th that our car was in the queue to be diagnosed, but there was no time frame given for how long that might take. After a two-day wait, we were informed that there are issues with the rear drive unit, the pyrotechnic battery disconnect, and the 12-volt battery and that they are waiting for parts. Again, no estimated time was given for when we might be able to cease scrambling for backup transportation.

Notably, there had been no earlier warning messages that anything was amiss prior to the failure. The only oddity was that when at a nearby Supercharger earlier that day, the car was charging at only 50 kW, which is far lower than the usual 150-kW peak. Initially, we were sharing a stall with another car, which reduces the charging rate, so we moved to an empty one to see if the power level would increase. But it didn't. We were just about to download the latest software update (2019.40.50.1) but hadn't yet done it, so that didn't have anything to do with it.

After that slow-charging experience, the car was driven 10 miles to the holiday party where it sat for about an hour and a half before the notification of doom.

We'll keep updating this story through our car's repair and return.
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:12 PM   #1977
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:13 PM   #1978
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What's definitely not true? I was responding to someone who is talking about a hypothetical commuter EV vehicle spec'd like his WRX for around $25k. I said they do not exist. And to get a Tesla spec'd like his WRX it starts at $40k. Again, these vehicles are only pushing up the pricing of new cars, not replacing current gas powered equivalents for the same money.

I agree about gas prices in our areas pushing $4/gallon making a case for a Tesla long range 3 vs a CVT Premium WRX, but across the country it's a harder case to be made. Which leads to my ubiquitous comment. There is zero competition for the Model 3 to challenge on price. And you gotta like the 3 or leave it.

And after 5 years he likely hasn't invested Model 3 money into his WRX with gas differential, oil changes, and maintenance costs.
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:23 PM   #1979
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That estimate of 5 year residual value of 48% for the Model 3 is ridiculous. But even with that fixed the cost of ownership will be on par.
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:03 PM   #1980
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Exactly. See my point above.
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Old 01-03-2020, 09:34 AM   #1981
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https://ir.tesla.com/news-releases/n...ion-deliveries

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. PALO ALTO, Calif., Jan. 03, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- In the fourth quarter, we achieved record production of almost 105,000 vehicles and record deliveries of approximately 112,000 vehicles. In 2019, we delivered approximately 367,500 vehicles, 50% more than the previous year and in line with our full year guidance.

Production Deliveries Subject to lease accounting
Model S/X 17,933 19,450 14 %
Model 3 86,958 92,550 7 %
Total 104,891 112,000 8 %
We continue to focus on expanding production in both the US as well as our newly launched facility in Shanghai. Despite breaking ground at Gigafactory Shanghai less than 12 months ago, we have already produced just under 1,000 customer salable cars and have begun deliveries. We have also demonstrated production run-rate capability of greater than 3,000 units per week, excluding local battery pack production which began in late December.

Lastly, we want to thank our customers, employees, suppliers, shareholders and supporters who made another record-breaking year possible.

Our net income and cash flow results will be announced along with the rest of our financial performance when we announce Q4 earnings. Our delivery count should be viewed as slightly conservative, as we only count a car as delivered if it is transferred to the customer and all paperwork is correct. Final numbers could vary by up to 0.5% or more. Tesla vehicle deliveries represent only one measure of the companyís financial performance and should not be relied on as an indicator of quarterly financial results, which depend on a variety of factors, including the cost of sales, foreign exchange movements and mix of directly leased vehicles
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Are they exporting cars from the Shanghai plant to the US? Or are those bound for China or other foreign markets? I've seen information that the cars will be exempt from tariffs, etc, but wasn't sure if it was for cars imported to the US, or that Tesla cars in China won't be subject to China's tariffs imposed on US goods...
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Are they exporting cars from the Shanghai plant to the US? Or are those bound for China or other foreign markets? I've seen information that the cars will be exempt from tariffs, etc, but wasn't sure if it was for cars imported to the US, or that Tesla cars in China won't be subject to China's tariffs imposed on US goods...
The Chinese Teslas are for the Chinese and Asian markets.
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can the EV competition catch up in Tech ? Manufacturers must see some future in EVs or why would they all start making them and very little or no profit when sold ? Will govts mandate EVs ? Now a very competitive business and the govt $7500 soon gone.
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Old 01-04-2020, 12:01 PM   #1985
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can the EV competition catch up in Tech ? Manufacturers must see some future in EVs or why would they all start making them and very little or no profit when sold ? Will govts mandate EVs ? Now a very competitive business and the govt $7500 soon gone.
https://economyandmarkets.com/market...-gift-of-2020/
$7500 from Tesla is been gone for a year. and the last $1875 is gone.
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$7500 from Tesla is been gone for a year. and the last $1875 is gone.
You can still get the $7500 on E Golf along with state you register it. Can buy E Golf new 2019 for under $23k and in my state final cost $12,500 but still cant see reason to buy one.
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You can still get the $7500 on E Golf along with state you register it. Can buy E Golf new 2019 for under $23k and in my state final cost $12,500 but still cant see reason to buy one.
what if we put a propane tank in the trunk for you?

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what if we put a propane tank in the trunk for you?

What size? Because size matters.
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What size? Because size matters.
3 propane tanks. the biggest that fit in the trunk.

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what if we put a propane tank in the trunk for you?

Asia they run big rigs on CNG and all cabs run on LNG or CNG.
Its cheaper and quite clean and I think cleaner than Battery Electrics well to well. I have lots of photos of both if you need any. I have posted them before. There are a few company in USA running LNG as well as buses .
But now Japan and China going big on Hydrogen fuel cell structure. MB and BMW have been experimenting with Hydrogen since 80s. The biggest problem was storing enough for range much as problem with batteries today. Earlier on using metalhydride tanks but now they are able to liquefy Hydrogen. You can burn H in IC engine or run fuel cell to run electric motors.






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Anyone still has their Tesla stock? Oh Nick
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Asia they run big rigs on CNG and all cabs run on LNG or CNG.
Its cheaper and quite clean and I think cleaner than Battery Electrics well to well. I have lots of photos of both if you need any. I have posted them before. There are a few company in USA running LNG as well as buses .
But now Japan and China going big on Hydrogen fuel cell structure. MB and BMW have been experimenting with Hydrogen since 80s. The biggest problem was storing enough for range much as problem with batteries today. Earlier on using metalhydride tanks but now they are able to liquefy Hydrogen. You can burn H in IC engine or run fuel cell to run electric motors.
Hydrogen production is about as dirty as gasoline and uses natural gas. Not a solution, yet.

LNG/CNG is not a solution either. You'll get absolutely zero support from the green team in on any solution that still requires pumping stored energy out of the ground and expending it.
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How do we get electricity for electric cars and where do we get batteries?

None of it is green.
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None of it is green.
Eh.

There's a big difference between expending energy that has been dormant underground for millions of years and extracting minerals to make batteries. I don't disagree that there's impacts to both, but one is more concerning to a large group of people than the other. The US alone uses almost 43,860,360,000,000 BTU's worth of energy in gasoline per day. That is a lot of stored potential energy that is changing form.

There are relatively green ways of creating electricity.
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Eh.

There's a big difference between expending energy that has been dormant underground for millions of years and extracting minerals to make batteries. I don't disagree that there's impacts to both, but one is more concerning to a large group of people than the other. The US alone uses almost 43,860,360,000,000 BTU's worth of energy in gasoline per day. That is a lot of stored potential energy that is changing form.

There are relatively green ways of creating electricity.
The "eh" and "relatively" is why that guy won't shut up about EV cars and harps on NG.
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The "eh" and "relatively" is why that guy won't shut up about EV cars and harps on NG.
Yeah. I get it. He lives in a state that gets almost all of its electricity from burning NG. Not very efficient to burn NG to create electricity to charge a car, why not just use NG in the car. The argument isn't lost on me, but it's very much a here-and-now discussion. The grid will inevitably become more green over time.
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$497 opening today. I feel pretty dumb for selling last month and only making a big profit (as opposed to a huge one). Then again.. a ton of stocks are going wild right now.

I think Q3/Q4 Tesla shorters are beginning to churn their remaining portfolios into mortgage (and McLaren) payments.
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$497 opening today. I feel pretty dumb for selling last month and only making a big profit (as opposed to a huge one). Then again.. a ton of stocks are going wild right now.

I think Q3/Q4 Tesla shorters are beginning to churn their remaining portfolios into mortgage (and McLaren) payments.
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"Tesla is an existential threat to automakers say sanalyist with $612 price target." - CNBC headline

If they don't do something compelling, yeah. Tesla is selling every Model 3 they can make right now and the Model Y appears to be showing up months early. An affordable Tesla crossover produced in large numbers? "market disruptor" is overused, but this is going to take a few years for everyone else to catch up.
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