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Old 01-14-2020, 10:58 AM   #2001
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I sold my shares yesterday. I bought it for $190ish . Made about 150% on my money (Roth IRA so not concerned about taxes). I figured I'd take the money and run.
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Been looking into possibly getting a Model 3 performance once the M240's lease is up in two years. I'm really hoping Tesla steps up their game because right now they are almost a pile of crap. Just from watching reviews online and updates people are having a lot of issues with them. I also joined a facebook page with over 60k people on there and all they do is post about all these issues they have had. As being a member of many different communities and even if I'm interested in buying a car I'll troll the facebook pages to see what kind of issues cars are having and I have never seen so many people complain as I have specifically about the model 3. From what I'm told as well the model 3 has far less problems then the other models. Completely unacceptable.
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Been looking into possibly getting a Model 3 performance once the M240's lease is up in two years. I'm really hoping Tesla steps up their game because right now they are almost a pile of crap. Just from watching reviews online and updates people are having a lot of issues with them. I also joined a facebook page with over 60k people on there and all they do is post about all these issues they have had. As being a member of many different communities and even if I'm interested in buying a car I'll troll the facebook pages to see what kind of issues cars are having and I have never seen so many people complain as I have specifically about the model 3. From what I'm told as well the model 3 has far less problems then the other models. Completely unacceptable.
Out of 60k members you are only seeing only a few post. I am a member of those groups and the issues are minor and mostly cosmetic and Tesla takes care of them. We have two models 3 in our family and we have zero problems. Tesla have sold 400,000+ models 3 compared to Subarus that is a ton; the AWD army group has 120k members .

The Model 3 is recommended by Consumer Reports. I would just get the model 3 is an amazing car and for the better than any thing else available on the road.
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I sold my shares yesterday. I bought it for $190ish . Made about 150% on my money (Roth IRA so not concerned about taxes). I figured I'd take the money and run.
Smart move. Rebuy when the market corrects, the entire market is going parabolic right now will either correct 20%íish or have an event that causes a crash.

No one ever went broke from taking a profit.
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Smart move. Rebuy when the market corrects, the entire market is going parabolic right now will either correct 20%íish or have an event that causes a crash.

No one ever went broke from taking a profit.
Timing the market never pays. If you are close to retirement or your goal take the profit but long term Tesla can be a 10x stock from its current level.
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Timing the market never pays. If you are close to retirement or your goal take the profit but long term Tesla can be a 10x stock from its current level.
Itís not called timing, itís called fundamentals and understanding 50 and 200 MA which 99% of the time follow the rule.
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Out of 60k members you are only seeing only a few post. I am a member of those groups and the issues are minor and mostly cosmetic and Tesla takes care of them. We have two models 3 in our family and we have zero problems. Tesla have sold 400,000+ models 3 compared to Subarus that is a ton; the AWD army group has 120k members .

The Model 3 is recommended by Consumer Reports. I would just get the model 3 is an amazing car and for the better than any thing else available on the road.
Only a few posts? It's riddled with issues and none of them are that consistent. Definitely seen some people posting failed motors, lights fogging up, a lady lifted up her hatch and tons of water just pours out of a hole and tesla couldn't figure out what was wrong but it only happened when it was raining and she was driving it would collect in the rear hatch. Not to mention every other post being about some sort of software issue and people tell them to do a reset and try again and it doesn't fix the problem. I would also say now I've been on there for a month or so I've also seen a hand full of bad charge port failures and have seen them on youtube as well. Yes I understand people will post when they have issues but like I said this is extremely frequent through out the day. I'm not sold on any type of quality from them yet. They also as of November 14's got put back on Consumer Reports list. I'm pulling for them. It'll just be a fun car for me but no one wants to have to go back and fourth to a tesla repair facility. Lets not even get started on their dealer service and communication.
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Only a few posts? It's riddled with issues and none of them are that consistent. Definitely seen some people posting failed motors, lights fogging up, a lady lifted up her hatch and tons of water just pours out of a hole and tesla couldn't figure out what was wrong but it only happened when it was raining and she was driving it would collect in the rear hatch. Not to mention every other post being about some sort of software issue and people tell them to do a reset and try again and it doesn't fix the problem. I would also say now I've been on there for a month or so I've also seen a hand full of bad charge port failures and have seen them on youtube as well. Yes I understand people will post when they have issues but like I said this is extremely frequent through out the day. I'm not sold on any type of quality from them yet. They also as of November 14's got put back on Consumer Reports list. I'm pulling for them. It'll just be a fun car for me but no one wants to have to go back and fourth to a tesla repair facility. Lets not even get started on their dealer service and communication.

The issue that you posted all have been posted in this thread. I just search the group for "motor fail" and only came up with 53 hits and they could be the door charging motor, wiper motors or post talking about the motor trend car.... 53 out of 60,000 members is nothing. The tail lights with moisture; Tesla will come to your house and replace in 5 minutes at no charge. The water getting in the trunk was addressed by a change in the trunk seal. There is already members with over 50k miles with zero issues and I have 14k miles with no problems. Service communication and scheduling is done through the app and not through the phone many noobs don't know that and they get pissed because they don't answer the phone lol.
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The issue that you posted all have been posted in this thread. I just search the group for "motor fail" and only came up with 53 hits and they could be the door charging motor, wiper motors or post talking about the motor trend car.... 53 out of 60,000 members is nothing. The tail lights with moisture; Tesla will come to your house and replace in 5 minutes at no charge. The water getting in the trunk was addressed by a change in the trunk seal. There is already members with over 50k miles with zero issues and I have 14k miles with no problems. Service communication and scheduling is done through the app and not through the phone many noobs don't know that and they get pissed because they don't answer the phone lol.
Holy fanboy batman!!!! Now you're trying to deny Tesla faults? Literally the first post that came up on my search was someone saying their rear motor failed and was replaced. Literally the first three responses to that specific thread were people saying they had the same problem. You can poo poo it all you want but the issue is out there. Again, all you have to do is just scroll that page in one typical day and there are multiple issues people have ranging from small things that get fixed by "resetting your vehicle" to not being fixed and needing an appointment to get fixed. Hell yesterday when I went on the page there was a guy who's car literally wouldn't charge within 5 days of owing the car. So we can both come up with scenario's all day long. In the end you're going to close you eyes and claim Tesla has it's crap together. Me not being a fanboy or owning one will still be cautious about it until it's time to possibly buy one and I'll be paying attention to see if their quality has stepped up. So far it's gone from pretty damn bad and they wouldn't be recommended by consumer reports to now where they are finally recommended. I guess we'll see if they continue this trend or get worse.
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Holy fanboy batman!!!! Now you're trying to deny Tesla faults? Literally the first post that came up on my search was someone saying their rear motor failed and was replaced. Literally the first three responses to that specific thread were people saying they had the same problem. You can poo poo it all you want but the issue is out there. Again, all you have to do is just scroll that page in one typical day and there are multiple issues people have ranging from small things that get fixed by "resetting your vehicle" to not being fixed and needing an appointment to get fixed. Hell yesterday when I went on the page there was a guy who's car literally wouldn't charge within 5 days of owing the car. So we can both come up with scenario's all day long. In the end you're going to close you eyes and claim Tesla has it's crap together. Me not being a fanboy or owning one will still be cautious about it until it's time to possibly buy one and I'll be paying attention to see if their quality has stepped up. So far it's gone from pretty damn bad and they wouldn't be recommended by consumer reports to now where they are finally recommended. I guess we'll see if they continue this trend or get worse.
for sure man and I have real experience . We have more model 3s here at work and they all seem fine you are making generalizations out of facebook group. If their cars were so ****ty they will not be the best selling midsize luxury car and selling more cars in their segments than all the german counterparts combined. You know they don't advertise their products so most sales come from mouth to mouth therefore your assessment is not entirely correct. Again they sell tons of cars, they are not perfect, they make mistake but saying that their cars are crap is false. Their quality has improved that's why they are recommended now by Consumer Report. The initial batch had lots of issues just like any first model car but they are improving even someone like Fifth Gear is saying that their Model 3 was well put together the same as their german counterparts. My Lexus IS-F had a water pump leaking at 18k miles and melting dash panels and door cars with 40k miles which they didn't cover under warranty we will see what happens to my Model 3 Performance.
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Timing the market never pays. If you are close to retirement or your goal take the profit but long term Tesla can be a 10x stock from its current level.
That wasn't the goal. It was reducing risk and volatility in my portfolio. Every time Tesla releases earnings the stock gyrates like crazy. I had only 9 shares. I took the profit and put it in an S&P 500 index fund.

Timing the market works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. My grandfather (RIP) had a real estate side business and sold all his real estate holdings right before the financial crisis. That worked out great for him because he was about to retire, but he also made some bad moves in his real estate career too. There's always luck involved in investing; even sticking money in the bank is rolling the dice on monetary policy.


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Been looking into possibly getting a Model 3 performance once the M240's lease is up in two years. I'm really hoping Tesla steps up their game because right now they are almost a pile of crap. Just from watching reviews online and updates people are having a lot of issues with them. I also joined a facebook page with over 60k people on there and all they do is post about all these issues they have had. As being a member of many different communities and even if I'm interested in buying a car I'll troll the facebook pages to see what kind of issues cars are having and I have never seen so many people complain as I have specifically about the model 3. From what I'm told as well the model 3 has far less problems then the other models. Completely unacceptable.
Facebook is a morass of negativity as a general rule, which is why I don't use it anymore. On the other hand go on Reddit and you will see mostly very positive Tesla threads. They're all echo chambers. Go test drive one and make up your own mind. There are LOTS of Subaru horror stories too. My buddy's stock '05 STi blew a turbo at 60k back in the day (car was past warranty by then). Remember all the blown up '08 models? How about valve deposits on the DIT engines? I had another friend with big suspension problems on his Legacy GT.

For what it's worth, I got a "good one" , a Model 3 Long Range AWD, back in May 2019, which was also built in May 2019. I haven't had any problems with it, with the caveat that the "self driving" package is basically expensive beta level software that is best skipped for most people.

The only service issue I had was getting a rear bumper in when somebody rear ended me at low speed. It took a month for the bumper to get to the authorized body shop, but the car was driveable the whole time.

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What? 400,000 Model 3's is a ton compared to Subaru? Tesla hasn't sold 400,000 Model 3's. Taking deposits and promising to deliver in the future is not a sale. That person can still back out and not purchase the automobile. Since 2014 Tesla has sold just over 500,000 cars, total, for all models. I'm not sure how that's "a ton" when Subaru beat that by 200,000 in 2019 alone. In the same time span Subaru has sold 3,700,000 cars. Maybe Tesla has sold a ton compared to Fisker or Nio, but their sales are 14% of Subaru's.

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While I do respect your love and enthusiasm for the vehicle you own, this is a pretty broad and false generalization. Just about every other car I've driven has been better than a Model 3. Not universally better, but better as an overall vehicle. The Model 3 does have some oomph on clean dry tarmac. It is quiet. It does have some neat technology. The seats are uncomfortable. The placement of headlight and wiper controls being half on stalks and half in menus on the tablet is stupid. The speedometer being in the tablet and not directly in frontal view of the driver is less safe than anything other than a Mini, except Mini also places it on the steering wheel pod. Winter performance is abysmal. It's as if they know nothing about AWD. Their current strategy is that of a 20 year old on-demand system which people ****ing hate. You must first spin the rear wheels and encounter brake control intervention before that front motor is engaged. Not so terrible in a straight line. Don't try to accelerate around a corner though. Oversteer and ESC save you before that front motor is engaged. This is why you can't turn ESC off. The car is unsafe without it. Also, don't drop throttle while cornering in the snow and ice. The front motor regen is greater than the tire grip and you end up with another ESC intervention because you've lost steering control. The cool photochromic coating on the roof glass turns copper when cold. Not exactly something within control, but aesthetically it's awkward and ugly to see a black or white or red or non-orange car driving around with a copper roof in the winter. Then there is the RFID "key". Unlike a normal key fob where you can either push a button from a distance or simply be detected by walking close to the car, the RFID credit card actually has to come out of your pocket and touch the car to work, both to unlock the door and to "start" the car. Anyone using proximity keys in their vehicles has a better feature.

It's certainly one of the best BEV's on the planet, but as a total package it's an entirely average automobile.

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^ nobody uses the RFID key card, they just use their phone as key. It sounds like you are driving a test vehicle and don't have access to the app, which is pretty good.

You AWD critique's are probably spot on, especially in a Subaru forum, but most of the owners probably can't tell the difference. To me my AWD just drives like a RWD car with less wheelspin in the snow due to the low mounted battery.

Seats are of course a preference. I think they are fine but probably below the entry level luxury segment in quality. The speedometer in the tablet - it takes some getting used to, but most of the time I have cruise control or autopilot on anyway, so I'm just glancing at it.
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I was driving someone's personal vehicle for a few months. RFID card was only option provided to me. I realize it's not the only option, but it's function is so entirely pointless that I don't see why Tesla bothered to do it. One of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" features.
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What? 400,000 Model 3's is a ton compared to Subaru? Tesla hasn't sold 400,000 Model 3's. Taking deposits and promising to deliver in the future is not a sale. That person can still back out and not purchase the automobile. Since 2014 Tesla has sold just over 500,000 cars, total, for all models. I'm not sure how that's "a ton" when Subaru beat that by 200,000 in 2019 alone. In the same time span Subaru has sold 3,700,000 cars. Maybe Tesla has sold a ton compared to Fisker or Nio, but their sales are 14% of Subaru's.


While I do respect your love and enthusiasm for the vehicle you own, this is a pretty broad and false generalization. Just about every other car I've driven has been better than a Model 3. Not universally better, but better as an overall vehicle. The Model 3 does have some oomph on clean dry tarmac. It is quiet. It does have some neat technology. The seats are uncomfortable. The placement of headlight and wiper controls being half on stalks and half in menus on the tablet is stupid. The speedometer being in the tablet and not directly in frontal view of the driver is less safe than anything other than a Mini, except Mini also places it on the steering wheel pod. Winter performance is abysmal. It's as if they know nothing about AWD. Their current strategy is that of a 20 year old on-demand system which people ****ing hate. You must first spin the rear wheels and encounter brake control intervention before that front motor is engaged. Not so terrible in a straight line. Don't try to accelerate around a corner though. Oversteer and ESC save you before that front motor is engaged. This is why you can't turn ESC off. The car is unsafe without it. Also, don't drop throttle while cornering in the snow and ice. The front motor regen is greater than the tire grip and you end up with another ESC intervention because you've lost steering control. The cool photochromic coating on the roof glass turns copper when cold. Not exactly something within control, but aesthetically it's awkward and ugly to see a black or white or red or non-orange car driving around with a copper roof in the winter. Then there is the RFID "key". Unlike a normal key fob where you can either push a button from a distance or simply be detected by walking close to the car, the RFID credit card actually has to come out of your pocket and touch the car to work, both to unlock the door and to "start" the car. Anyone using proximity keys in their vehicles has a better feature.

It's certainly one of the best BEV's on the planet, but as a total package it's an entirely average automobile.
I was not referring to entier Subaru lineup just the enthusiast cars like the WRX and STi which are part of the AWD Army facebook group. According to wiki they have sold 448,513 units as of Q4 of 2019. Now that the China Gigafactory is online is going to get crazy.

-Seats uncomfortable? most reviewers say they are excellent.
-Headlight placement.... I am confused the Model 3 won the best headlight design in 2019.
-Wiper and other controls can all be voice activate now. I have not mess with my headlights not even once since I got the car the automatic setting works well IMO.
-The speedo location I don't mind it and I drive (or not drive) 90% of the time on autopilot so there is not reason to me to look at it
-I know nothing about snow driving since we don't get it here. I believe drivers suggest to set the regen to low.
-You can buy a standard fob........ the RFID key is a secondary key in case your phone doesn't work.

If I start listing the number of the car of the year that model 3 has won this post will get long and I am talking about car of the year not EV of the year...... if there's another vehicle offering a better total package in its class than the model 3 please let me know. Please include safety, technology, space, value, and performance.

Probably the only thing that I have found subpart is the paint because I have seen a few paint chips here and there but I end installing PPF so I don't have to worry about that anymore. Other than that maybe I have like the price changing adjustment that Tesla has done but I decided to keep for a while and hopefully eventually added to the Tesla self driving taxi network and get another one or the hopefully update model S. I love the car and recommend over anything else available right now.
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I was driving someone's personal vehicle for a few months. RFID card was only option provided to me. I realize it's not the only option, but it's function is so entirely pointless that I don't see why Tesla bothered to do it. One of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" features.
It's basically for a valet. They sell a traditional key fob on their website as a factory accessory.

I set the regen to low in winter and I usually turn on creep so it drives like a really responsive version of a slushbox. I know that's blasphemy to one pedal aficionados but a lot of times I'd rather coast, and low speed movement to me is easier modulating the brake (especially in reverse). The nice thing about low regen is that the driving experience doesn't vary much

From what I've read Tesla's low regen is equivalent to the max regen on the VW products (eTron at least). When I drove the eTron it had very little regen and these stupid paddle shifters to adjust it.
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for sure man and I have real experience . We have more model 3s here at work and they all seem fine you are making generalizations out of facebook group. If their cars were so ****ty they will not be the best selling midsize luxury car and selling more cars in their segments than all the german counterparts combined. You know they don't advertise their products so most sales come from mouth to mouth therefore your assessment is not entirely correct. Again they sell tons of cars, they are not perfect, they make mistake but saying that their cars are crap is false. Their quality has improved that's why they are recommended now by Consumer Report. The initial batch had lots of issues just like any first model car but they are improving even someone like Fifth Gear is saying that their Model 3 was well put together the same as their german counterparts. My Lexus IS-F had a water pump leaking at 18k miles and melting dash panels and door cars with 40k miles which they didn't cover under warranty we will see what happens to my Model 3 Performance.
Why is it selling you ask? See California. Just because a car is selling a lot doesn't mean it's built to high quality. They are best selling because it's an EV that is more of a normal nice car and it's damn fast. Couple that with the tree huggers and you get a boom in sales even though it's not completely better for the environment.

I find it funnier that you are seriously trying to debate with me here. You're trying to make it sound impressive that they are on Consumer Reports (after how many years in operation?) and they literally just got put on it November 14th. What does that seriously tell you about the product that's out there now? Most of it is crap. Again, yes supposedly they are getting better but the jury is out. That's literally all I've been saying but you're taking offense because you say your prayers to Elon's poster at night. lol
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Why is it selling you ask? See California. Just because a car is selling a lot doesn't mean it's built to high quality. They are best selling because it's an EV that is more of a normal nice car and it's damn fast. Couple that with the tree huggers and you get a boom in sales even though it's not completely better for the environment.

I find it funnier that you are seriously trying to debate with me here. You're trying to make it sound impressive that they are on Consumer Reports (after how many years in operation?) and they literally just got put on it November 14th. What does that seriously tell you about the product that's out there now? Most of it is crap. Again, yes supposedly they are getting better but the jury is out. That's literally all I've been saying but you're taking offense because you say your prayers to Elon's poster at night. lol
The Model 3 had the recommendation, it lost it in 2018 and regained in 2019 . And it lost it while being rated the #1 most satisfying car to own .

I am not agreeing with you because we have two of them and we don't have issues and other members here are posting the same experience while you are basing your information on a few post of Facebook. I still don't understand the point of your post.... The car is crap, Facebook told me but I will buy one when it gets better . Your generalization is not correct the current Model 3 quality is the best it ever has. Is there room for improvement probably yes but only on paint department. Panel gaps and all the other miscellaneous thing have been taking care of.


Here is the link to the Facebook group where the sky is falling down according to Supraru. https://m.facebook.com/groups/354816398029559
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I was not referring to entier Subaru lineup just the enthusiast cars like the WRX and STi which are part of the AWD Army facebook group. According to wiki they have sold 448,513 units as of Q4 of 2019. Now that the China Gigafactory is online is going to get crazy.

-Seats uncomfortable? most reviewers say they are excellent.
-Headlight placement.... I am confused the Model 3 won the best headlight design in 2019.
-Wiper and other controls can all be voice activate now. I have not mess with my headlights not even once since I got the car the automatic setting works well IMO.
-The speedo location I don't mind it and I drive (or not drive) 90% of the time on autopilot so there is not reason to me to look at it
-I know nothing about snow driving since we don't get it here. I believe drivers suggest to set the regen to low.
-You can buy a standard fob........ the RFID key is a secondary key in case your phone doesn't work.

If I start listing the number of the car of the year that model 3 has won this post will get long and I am talking about car of the year not EV of the year...... if there's another vehicle offering a better total package in its class than the model 3 please let me know. Please include safety, technology, space, value, and performance.

Probably the only thing that I have found subpart is the paint because I have seen a few paint chips here and there but I end installing PPF so I don't have to worry about that anymore. Other than that maybe I have like the price changing adjustment that Tesla has done but I decided to keep for a while and hopefully eventually added to the Tesla self driving taxi network and get another one or the hopefully update model S. I love the car and recommend over anything else available right now.
I was referencing US sales only as that's where we live and what we have access to for cars that we could drive and compare to a Model 3. Didn't realize you meant specifically "enthusiast" cars from Subaru as I don't consider them to be any variety of comparison for the Model 3. On whatever FB group, fine. Comparing a semi-luxury BEV to a hopped-up econobox isn't exactly fair for either one. While both are AWD, they are also different market segments.

Regarding headlights I said "headlight and wiper controls". If I recall the headlight and wiper functions are split between the left stalk and the tablet menus, and within the tablet menus they aren't necessarily always on the displayed page. It requires more effort than a knob or switch in any other car on the road. Once you learn it I'm sure it's faster and easier, but I don't understand why the complication was necessary in the first place.

Go ahead and list the number of "car of the year" awards. Just keep in mind that every new car to hit the market is almost immediately the new "car of the year". The C8 isn't even available yet and it's already car of the year. The Jeep Gladiator was brand new last year and immediately won Truck of the Year even though it gets worse fuel economy and tows less than just about any other truck. I'm sure the new Bronco will win Truck of the Year after it is finally released, just because everyone wants it. It's really a meaningless award. These days it's a participation award. Congrats, you made a new vehicle. Here's your award.
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Some of the posts in this thread are already stupid but they really, really won't age well, either.
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I just use the auto headlights. I don't think I've ever manually controlled the headlights on my Model 3.
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I just use the auto headlights. I don't think I've ever manually controlled the headlights on my Model 3.
Didn't have that luxury at a test site where headlights are required on at all times. Still, while automatic settings sort of negate the struggle it still doesn't justify a less effective design and implementation. And from that aspect Tesla isn't the only OEM doing silly things.
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