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01-13-2020, 11:26 AM | #51 | |
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01-14-2020, 05:45 AM | #52 | |
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01-14-2020, 11:46 AM | #53 | ||
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01-14-2020, 01:32 PM | #54 |
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The rear wing looks like it came from a different car and doesn't fit the design language well. Kinda like back when it was popular for people to stick GD STI whale tales, on integras, civics, neons, etc.
I think it would be much better looking as a true hatchback, with integrated spoiler over the hatch instead of a liftback (that they for some reason call a hatchback)with a tacked on spoiler. Would be much more useful as well. |
01-14-2020, 01:43 PM | #55 |
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If Honda made an Accord Type R would it look as stupid? Arguably the majority of same demographic of people would be buying either car. The Civic Si doesn't look as dumb as the CTR and the demos on that car are likely younger age and income group.
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01-14-2020, 03:30 PM | #56 | |
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01-14-2020, 03:44 PM | #57 |
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01-14-2020, 04:28 PM | #58 |
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I'm glad I got a 2019, Honda Sensing is a PITA to deal with if you crack a windshield - asking about a "calibration fee" ($600). Yeah, no thanks.
New changes are cool, overall, I like the two piece rotors! |
01-14-2020, 05:13 PM | #59 |
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Yeah I guess I will get those when the time comes to replace the rotors and there are no cheaper 2 piece alternatives.
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01-15-2020, 08:54 AM | #60 |
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There's this thing that auto insurance companies offer called glass coverage. Cost me a $300 deductible to have VW change the glass on my old Golf R which would have cost over $800 otherwise.
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01-15-2020, 12:00 PM | #61 | |
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Yeah man, OEM glass is money. I wouldn't put anything but OEM glass on any car these days! Edit: How do you like the X3M man? |
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01-16-2020, 02:49 AM | #62 |
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Im bored of my 2015 wrx (stage 2 the last 3 years) and was hoping to see a new STi at the auto show. I really dont want to own my car another year, as it has quite a few thing that need to be maintenanced/replaced. I dont want to spend the money just to get rid of it shortly after. The CTR is on my short list of cars. Will it be another year before the gen STi comes out you think? I hate the thought of going back to fwd but there just aren't many options to pick from in this price range. Never liked the Golfs.
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01-16-2020, 11:11 AM | #63 | |
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Of course you would still need the standard upgrades to improve the driving experience.. flex fuel tune, shifter bushing, shift stop, group n trans mount, steering dampener/sti steering joint, some better tires like PS4S, etc. Otherwise, my guess is we won't see the next gen STI until MY22. It's still an unknown as to what we'll receive and I like to avoid purchasing the first MY of a new generation. Edit: There's also the Veloster N, but it's also FWD and more of a "budget" option. I'm not a fan of the interior or 3 door setup. But it sounds great and seems to have raving reviews in terms of fun factor. Or even a Civic Si if you don't want to spent CTR money on FWD. Last edited by WRXnick16; 01-16-2020 at 11:31 AM. |
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01-16-2020, 01:45 PM | #64 |
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The Type R is an amazing car, its exceptionally agile and will absolutely crush a WRX or STi in the straights, they're considerably lighter and making closer to 300whp stock with a better powerband.
With all that said, I chose my STi a week ago over one, because the Honda just can't get the power down, wheelspin is a constant thing in that car, all of 1st, 2nd, i've heard on cold pavement wheelspin can crop up in 3rd gear as well. I had a Mazdaspeed 3 years ago and it was also a great car but again the wheelspin get's really old, especially pulling out into traffic from a stop, and forget having any traction in the rain, ever. |
01-16-2020, 02:29 PM | #65 | |
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01-16-2020, 03:14 PM | #66 | |
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So, are we all condemned to AWD for life? My personal experience is that we have to adjust expectations and behaviors: going WOT or nearly WOT from a traffic stop in 1st gear will result in wheel spin in most decently powered RWD/FWD vehicles (except BRZ/FRS/GT86 maybe ). |
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01-16-2020, 03:55 PM | #67 | |
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I loved that aspect in my RWD cars, but it's a lot less fun in a FWD car. |
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01-16-2020, 04:14 PM | #68 | |
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There is a huge difference between FWD and RWD in less than optimal conditions - yes, both are more likely to spin tire than an AWD system, but under acceleration weight transfer affects them very differently. I drove high horsepower (for the time) RWD cars with no nannies year round, as well as fwd economy cars and moderately powered fwd cars with no nannies or the nannies disabled. What I'm getting at here, is that under acceleration in less than optimal conditions, a RWD car is going to get going quicker than a FWD car (assuming similar power levels and similar tire widths). 1.) fox mustang with 300rwhp vs. a mazdaspeed3 with a tune - the mustang was easier to drive in the snow/rain, easier to get going and easier to control; the mazda had a better chassis, but it plowed and spun regardless of the LSD. 2.) NA miata vs. FWD 1.8l impreza - the miata was easier to drive in the snow/rain, easier to get going, and easier to control, granted, much better chassis than the impreza, and less weight, but I was looking at low horsepower stuff to compare that I have actual experience in. 3.) modified 2006 wrx wagon vs. everything I've owned previously - yeah way easier to handle in the snow, way easier to get going, more options for control as well (through handbrake, throttle & steering), probably the most fun car in the snow I've owned, also the most dangerous because of the speeds required to hang the tail out through a corner. AWD>RWD>FWD in bad weather, RWD>AWD>FWD in good weather (unless we're talking higher power and a rear biased AWD system); my next car is hopefully RWD, AWD if I have to settle (because RWD four-door options in my area are limited). I don't want FWD, there isn't a single FWD car out there that I've driven that I've enjoyed on anything but pristine pavement; admittedly I haven't driven a CTR, but have driven some other moderately powered FWD stuff (mazdspeed 3 & GTI). Honestly the lower powered FWD tin-cans are the most fun, but that's light weight at play; 2,300lbs with a winder feels way better than 3,200lbs with a slow revving turbo motor. Something I've also noticed, as FF stuff gets heavier, it gets way worse in the snow; they are nose heavy to begin with, and making the tires handle acceleration, steering & braking, coupled with the "safety net" manufacturers tune into the suspension (aka. PLOWING) just turns them into understeer machines; beyond that the current engine designs with all the torque down low makes them spin happy. Then there are open diffs to contend with on most FF stuff; it's just a recipe for a bad time. Another nail in the coffin for FWD cars is the electronic parking brake. I don't know about you guys, but when I drive FWD in crap weather I use the handbrake to control the rear end; taking that away via. an electronic parking brake is a stupid move, but I guess most people trust/use the nannies. If the CTR were AWD with a more aggressive AWD system (instead of SH-AWD call it SB-AWD, for slidey-boy AWD) where it had a significant rear bias option/mode, it would be a hoot, and I could overlook the styling. Last edited by Sid03SVT; 01-16-2020 at 04:20 PM. |
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01-16-2020, 06:06 PM | #69 | |
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I have driven both Focus ST and Fiesta ST quite a bit, but only in dry weather. The only thing I see is that CTR is lighter than most of the other 5-door turbo hatchbacks we've had in the USDM so far: slightly lighter than Gen1 MS3, definitely lighter than MS3 Gen2 and Focus ST. It's only heavier than Mk7 GTI (depending on trim). But, among all of these hatchbacks, CTR is the only one with double-axis struts/knuckles/hubs; that's where the extra grip/traction comes from (Renault has been using double-axis hubs on the Megane RS from the start). So, again, maybe a CTR is less of a pain to deal with in foul weather with less torque steer, less steering corruption and more grip (granted CTR packs a little bit more of a punch than the others). |
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01-16-2020, 10:11 PM | #70 | |
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01-16-2020, 11:04 PM | #71 | |
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Do you have a point about throttle modulation? Yes of course, its not that you can't, but consider what's the point of the Type R's 300whp if you can't actually put it to the pavement until you're well over the speed limit, its not that it's not fun or doable, but it can get really tiresome over a couple years dealing with it, and of course it also chews through tires like it's the sole purpose in life. I have quite abit of wheel time on the TypeR on hot pavement and driving it "sporty" that TC light just is blinking basically all the time, still, a great car. |
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01-16-2020, 11:11 PM | #72 | |
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01-17-2020, 02:39 AM | #73 | |
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Now, consider this, in my 4250 lbs 370-hp Charger, on stock all-season Goodyear Eagle RSA 245/45R20 tires, in 1st gear (4.70:1 from a ZF 8-speed multiplied by a 3.07:1 OPEN rear end), I could stand at any red light or stop sign and spin basically FOREVER in the DRY with TC in "Sport" mode (one step removed from TC being fully off). On stickier Michelin PSS/PS4S and with a 3.09 LSD (replacing the open 3.07), it's much better, but going WOT in the wet from a dead stop in 1st is still an ill-advised endeavor As for destroying front tires, my 06 WRX Wagon can do it too since the max amount of negative camber than can be dialed in with the stock hardware is limited and it's easy to over-drive past what the outside front tire can take (I had to go to camber plates to increase both caster and camber to get the front bite I wanted). I certainly don't want to minimize or discount the traction issues you're experiencing with the CTR; I don't own one and I haven't driven one, so I have no leg to stand on. But, if I were to buy one, I'd take it to track days to really let loose and not worry about LEOs and speed limits; I think that's really where these type of cars truly shine. |
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01-17-2020, 07:39 AM | #74 | |
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As for the charger, long wheelbase and 55F/45R weight distribution (or something like that) 245 is not enough tire, especially not with an open diff. Also I'm pretty sure one of the main design intents for the Charger was tire smoke. But a good example where throttle control is required. Since we're talking V8 RWD, I'll say something for modular mustangs; They build power later, and are much friendlier off the line (notable exception being the 03-04 cobras). Launching the newer stuff is easier than what I owned/modified, although tire technology has gotten significantly better as well, and that plays a major role, as well as driving in adverse conditions. |
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01-17-2020, 10:26 AM | #75 |
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I don't know about that. Perhaps you are referring to the layman, the mouf breather, or both, dunno. But most of us here, that is not true. AWD does give you much more traction in inclement weather, and for many you can carry more speed because you have more traction but it's not a fool proof drivetrain. You still have to moderate the throttle, just not as much as FWD or RWD in inclement weather. I've done sh *t in my RS and STi that I could never do in any of my RWD vehicles I have owned, but moderating the throttle still has to be performed. You've just got a larger window or larger margins and larger margins of error. I have RWD vehicles now where moderation is absolutely key or you'll die, literally, or best case end up in the ER. They aren't as forgiving as an automobile 2 wheels, 170 RWHP, and 400 some odd pounds is a recipe for disaster if you don't know what you are doing, unable to be judicious with the throttle, and moderate yourself. I think that philosophy applies to most any vehicle in any weather condition. You just have limits in each.
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