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Old 04-23-2020, 03:50 PM   #101
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There's a ton of propaganda coming from the Trump administration. Best to wait until the dust settles before jumping the gun.
oh please, total cop out response
yeah, Trump made all this up

He started spreading the rumor since 1998 that China subsidizes industry in it's country to wipe out global capability with insanely unachievable price levels and it just coincidentally happened in real life over the last 20 years.
good call, I shouldn't 'jump the gun' on two decades of evidence, better wait until 2035 to officially make the call

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oh please, total cop out response
yeah, Trump made all this up

He started spreading the rumor since 1998 that China subsidizes industry in it's country to wipe out global capability with insanely unachievable price levels and it just coincidentally happened in real life over the last 20 years.
good call, I shouldn't 'jump the gun' on two decades of evidence, better wait until 2035 to officially make the call

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Not at all, considering there's a ton of BS coming from Trump almost daily, many times wrapped in a sliver of truth, while other times just flat out lies. I'll wait for the dust to settle.

Btw, the U.S. heavily subsidizes a ton of industries as well. So there's no angels here.

Now, let's get back to the original programming and talk about windage trays. I'll like to see test results of each brands version. Maybe done with a clear pan where you can validate how it drains and functions as well as dyno.
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:12 PM   #103
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There's a ton of propaganda coming from the Trump administration. Best to wait until the dust settles before jumping the gun.
Where isn't there propaganda?
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:27 PM   #104
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Lol. I can tell. This thread keeps getting more hilarious by the second. They'll argue about anything and everything. Watch someone bring up veganism next
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Maybe done with a clear pan where you can validate how it drains and functions as well as dyno.
Clear pan isn't as forthcoming with info as you'd think, but you're going in the right direction.

Custom exhaust on an engine with NO pan and you can not only visually see how oil is coming off the crank, but the obvious directionality it has (since it spins in one direction). Makes me wonder why any baffle would ever have a louver in the opposite direction of oil flow off the crank

Another nice thing about 'catching' oil off the bottom of the engine is that you can easily measure the density and watch it change as the oil becomes aerated. Aeration occurs anytime something fast moving (like a crankshaft) smashes, splashes, impacts or whatever you want to call it... leaving micro bubbles. Microbubbles are necessarily bad, but you want as little as possible. This is not the same kind of aeration that occurs from stalled flow from an impeller or turbulent flow. This kid of aeration is very bad as it can cause a pressure drop. Tipping the engine can simulate lateral loads, but the most difficult to test is sloshing (not surging) from launching and hard gear changes.

The problem with comparing all the findings is that there is no independent source to do it. Who's going to pay for it? Each does their own (or doesn't?) and what our test metrics are for successful performance likely isn't the same as 'band X'. That's like comparing one car's 0-60 time to another's 1/4 mile time and then determining which is fastest. So what determines fastest? Is it top speed, or how long it took to get there?

Years ago there was going to be 'the great header comparo'. it got really close to happening but fell apart at the end. Some manufacturers thought there was bias because the test car was 'x' power range with 'y' mods. Then because the testing shop carried some products, but others they had not sold before, the tuner had recommended one of the brands previously, there were questions of bias toward brands the shop already had good relationship with. It went bust.
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:42 PM   #106
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Lol. I can tell. This thread keeps getting more hilarious by the second. They'll argue about anything and everything. Watch someone bring up veganism next
It wasn't an argument it was a correction. You made incorrect statements and we fixed them for you.

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It wasn't an argument it was a correction. You made incorrect statements and we fixed them for you.

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Old 04-23-2020, 06:37 PM   #108
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You're welcome sweet tits. Now I'll let you have the last word... Go on.
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Old 04-23-2020, 11:00 PM   #109
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A) no they couldn't make I phones here because we've regulated ourselves out of polluting to make products. Now we have China pollute 10x's more and we send them the money.

B) You don't seem to know much about how China operates. You think they subsidize a particular industry to sell product cheap as dirt out of the goodness of their hearts? They do it so that over the course of a decade or two they can bankrupt that industry globally and then there will be nothing left but their industry, which in case you missed it, has been a gleaming success considering they started doing that. . .let's see. . . about 20 years ago and now most manufacturing absolutely cannot be done anywhere but in China.

Also, just figured I'd throw this out there since it's been in the news a little bit. You know of the Virus that Spoolin05 is helping cure? Yeah, China knew what was going on and kept it a secret for a month while 100 planes a day flew out of there delivering people all around the globe. You seriously don't think there was a conversation in a private meeting among their leaders about how ultra liberal countries would react to a new virus and how it would be all but guaranteed to tank the economies of every developed country on earth at the same time. I mean there's no question keeping that secret was a calculated decision made at the top of their government right? Who else would make the call to maintain that secret?
You don't think they discussed what would likely happen and then decided to keep it a secret?
Shut the front door ive had it up to here with your no sense LoL we got Motorola, Hello Moto! That was my dog's name!
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This thread is on fire lol
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Old 04-24-2020, 07:29 AM   #111
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Not at all, considering there's a ton of BS coming from Trump almost daily, many times wrapped in a sliver of truth, while other times just flat out lies. I'll wait for the dust to settle.

Btw, the U.S. heavily subsidizes a ton of industries as well. So there's no angels here.

Now, let's get back to the original programming and talk about windage trays. I'll like to see test results of each brands version. Maybe done with a clear pan where you can validate how it drains and functions as well as dyno.
Again, it seems you think that this information started coming from the Trump administration or something.
Every administration since Clinton readily acknowledged these practices of the Chinese and the end goal. It's never even been up for debate from a political affiliation stance, the only debate is what to do about it. The best economists on earth state Chinese practices as fact because there's no question what is happening.

Second, what industries is the Federal gov't subsidizing in this country?


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Shut the front door ive had it up to here with your no sense LoL we got Motorola, Hello Moto! That was my dog's name!
Have you made that video detailing how to check the axis of a crank with a caliper yet?

That idiotic, brainless statement reminded me of the movie Tommy Boy where Chris Farley is walking customers through the new brake pad plant and gets caught playing around with a crane hook and says, "uhhh, yeah I was just checking the specs on the endline for the rotary girder"

You're our Tommy Boy just throwing technical words in a jarbled sentence to sound like you have a clue.
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Old 04-24-2020, 09:30 AM   #112
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You kids.

Please:

Be civil. There's no reason to call XXXUser a dickbutt. Call the argument/logic a dickbutt. Let's not use logical fallacies. China is not here. Trump is not here. Clinton is not here. And we all know to blame Obama, so we don't need to state it.

Killer B stuff is pricey. I had an issue with one of their products. I mailed it off. It was repaired for $0 in 2 days and when I tried to pay for return shipping I was told to eat **** and bark at the moon. One wonders what would have happened had my part come from another source? I pay for the peace of mind. And Killer B is rather close to me and if I get mad enough I can throw my part through their store's plate glass window, but I digress. I have a pleasant mix of cheap and expensive parts on my car and can appreciate all points of view. My janky eBay front strut brace is legit and like $7. My Killer B header is legit and like $1400. Both have their place in the market.

I have an MBA. I know bidness. I know enough to know I don't have the balls to run my own bidness and hope that the armchair MBAs out there will temper their rhetoric. Business runs on profit and loss leveraged on, in this case, product and support. Ain't no one going out of business any time soon, so kvetching about it ain't doing anyone any good. Vivid Racing is still alive and they have a suck that can only be expressed in scientific notation. I think Mach V is a terrific vendor who should have 10 times the market share that they currently have. Neither view, pro or con will move the market, so I generally shut up about it all.
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Pssst, Hey Unabomber.....


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Old 04-24-2020, 01:05 PM   #114
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Again, it seems you think that this information started coming from the Trump administration or something.
Every administration since Clinton readily acknowledged these practices of the Chinese and the end goal. It's never even been up for debate from a political affiliation stance, the only debate is what to do about it. The best economists on earth state Chinese practices as fact because there's no question what is happening.

Second, what industries is the Federal gov't subsidizing in this country?




Have you made that video detailing how to check the axis of a crank with a caliper yet?

That idiotic, brainless statement reminded me of the movie Tommy Boy where Chris Farley is walking customers through the new brake pad plant and gets caught playing around with a crane hook and says, "uhhh, yeah I was just checking the specs on the endline for the rotary girder"

You're our Tommy Boy just throwing technical words in a jarbled sentence to sound like you have a clue.
There's a bunch of threads in Off topic for type of discussions. It does not belong here.
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There's a bunch of threads in Off topic for type of discussions. It does not belong here.
good thing you realized that 10 responses in to this topic
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good thing you realized that 10 responses in to this topic
LOL! You're the one that keeps going on and on about politics in a windage tray thread. You clearly didn't get the message when I stated back to the original programming. From here on out you're on my ignore list.
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I have more of a clue and memory for such then you appear to gather. It's not my fault you have issue perceving thing interpretations.

On topic I have a killer bee pickup this was before the iag pickup came out. I do like the round larger opening on the iag unit.

Both seem to work well. I like how iag stuck to the tried and true design matching oem quality.

As far as the windage tray goes. Both are a nice part. I don't like the rubber flaps on the iag unit however. Rubber dries out with heat cycles and becomes brittle. But perhaps they had went to a silicone based material by now..

Anyhow let's keep these threads on topic folks..

Seems a lot of these guys are just put here measuring a small package in there pants. Don't let them ruin the thread for us who seek and provide factual information. Stay strong we got this!
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On topic I have a killer bee pickup this was before the iag pickup came out. I do like the round larger opening on the iag unit.

Both seem to work well. I like how iag stuck to the tried and true design matching oem quality.
FWIW, the IAG pickup is Tigwerks' piece. The original product page said as much, but looks like they changed that with the v2 release. They started collaborating last year.

Functionally, I don't know that one pickup is better than another. They're both solid pieces.
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I have more of a clue and memory for such then you appear to gather. It's not my fault you have issue perceving thing interpretations.

On topic I have a killer bee pickup this was before the iag pickup came out. I do like the round larger opening on the iag unit.

Both seem to work well. I like how iag stuck to the tried and true design matching oem quality.

As far as the windage tray goes. Both are a nice part. I don't like the rubber flaps on the iag unit however. Rubber dries out with heat cycles and becomes brittle. But perhaps they had went to a silicone based material by now..

Anyhow let's keep these threads on topic folks..

Seems a lot of these guys are just put here measuring a small package in there pants. Don't let them ruin the thread for us who seek and provide factual information. Stay strong we got this!
Seems every real race car builder is using the flaps



Gt Motorsports limited in the UK that builds wrc engines https://www.gtmotorsportsltd.co.uk/p...fled-sump-kit/



RCM that built the insane gc followed by the GR https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...n-baffle-plate


Subarus wrc cars modify the OEM oil pan with their type of plate


RCM did the same https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...d-oil-sump-pan





The flaps let oil in, but don't let it out during hard cornering.

You'd actually be hard pressed to find any real racing team running a non OEM oil pan. They just slightly modify them or go dry sump. An aftermarket oil pan is not a performance upgrade, it's an expensive unnecessary engine accessory.

7 years ago, before killerb got a taste of those $1,500 header sales that went to his head, he would have told you the same thing

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Not a problem. I can't stand when manufacturer's push products to customers that don't truly need them.

The OEM one isn't terrible (in fact we like it more than some other aftermarket ones), but it's a basic econo-part.
But now he wants those extra profits and resorts to talking trash about other companies.

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There's a ton of propaganda coming from the Trump administration. Best to wait until the dust settles before jumping the gun.
brings in politics

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Not at all, considering there's a ton of BS coming from Trump almost daily, many times wrapped in a sliver of truth, while other times just flat out lies. I'll wait for the dust to settle.

Btw, the U.S. heavily subsidizes a ton of industries as well. So there's no angels here.

Now, let's get back to the original programming and talk about windage trays. I'll like to see test results of each brands version. Maybe done with a clear pan where you can validate how it drains and functions as well as dyno.
brings in politics again

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LOL! You're the one that keeps going on and on about politics in a windage tray thread. You clearly didn't get the message when I stated back to the original programming. From here on out you're on my ignore list.
tells me I brought in politics.

anyhow, from here on out you are on my "definitely don't block this guy" list
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But now he wants those extra profits and resorts to talking trash about other companies.
You can't help yourself can you.

1. Make your own headers. I'll buy a couple if they're better than KB's.
2. Cite proof of KB talking trash about other companies.

Man you really don't like them do you?
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You'd actually be hard pressed to find any real racing team running a non OEM oil pan. They just slightly modify them or go dry sump.
I'm sorry, but you're just misinformed. Most of the pans you're showing go back to the early-to-mid 90s. We've learned a lot since then. OEM pans were used because class rules dictated as much, not becaues it was a great design. They were gutter, baffled, hacked up, extended, and so on... All with the goal of improving on the factory piece they had to use. And yes, open class cars used Dry Sump... Again, we've learned so much since then, dry sump is rarely used now compared to back then.

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The RCM (Huge RCM fan btw) are on vehicles that are regularly rebuilt and inspected, they don't need to last on a daily driven vehicle, hence the extra moving parts that add a little extra potential for failure. Yes they sell them, but they are "because race car" parts and I'd wager that even though with enough complaining they may make right on a claim, KillerB will go out of their way to make things right. RCM and similar race only companies can afford to inspect and replace parts whenever necessary. Other companies also use flaps in their designs and will sell you one for your daily, but still extra moving parts add unneeded complexity and risk for a daily driven vehicle...as already explained. If you get to the point you need that much more complication, run dry sump and lose the pan. Is anyone here griping about the cost of dry sump systems? Of course not, but yeah keep nitpicking over a few dollars for oil pans and baffles. How many people have mentioned an oil supply related failure because of a KillerB baffled pan? (crickets) Their cast pans aren't repurposed oem style pans with baffles welded in, they are designed from the ground up to have more capacity, clear as many popular headers as possible, and are aluminum to dissipate more heat than a stamped steel pan. Why complain about a part that has been designed from the ground up SPECIFICALLY for Subaru owners? (rhetorical question that's already been answered) Not even going to start with the price comparison, it's easy to look them up.

It's more than ridiculous that the OP asked for an opinion on only TWO baffles and it continues to be a gripe thread for insecure idiots that want to deface an American born and run company.


For crying out loud.

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You can't help yourself can you.

1. Make your own headers. I'll buy a couple if they're better than KB's.
2. Cite proof of KB talking trash about other companies.

Man you really don't like them do you?


https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2860218

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so since he isnt going to say the reason for the odd questions im going to guess.

hmm.. guy is from california = stuck up/tool that thinks the world owes him. he blew up the motor doing something stupid and because it doesnt say you cant do X stupid item in the owners manual he wants his screw up covered by warranty.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2767112

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You will love their new FA UEL header then, it's YUGE!

That thin sheetmetal 'stiffening' plate must be made from magic if it can keep (5) 1" thick aluminum main webs from flexing
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