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Old 05-16-2020, 08:07 PM   #51
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Wonder what numbers the 4 cylinder dyno at.
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Old 05-17-2020, 02:47 AM   #52
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Iím probably selling the M2 in July or August...
Why you selling? Iím very excited about an M2/M2C with an S58 or B58 coming. Glad the S55 is on itís way out. N55 was/is super solid.
Just hope they donít screw up the looks of the new one coming.
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Old 05-20-2020, 10:40 AM   #53
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Old 05-20-2020, 12:15 PM   #54
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Why you selling? Iím very excited about an M2/M2C with an S58 or B58 coming. Glad the S55 is on itís way out. N55 was/is super solid.
Just hope they donít screw up the looks of the new one coming.
He bought a Raptor.

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Old 05-20-2020, 01:14 PM   #55
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Neighbor just bought a Raptor. So badass. He has a TRD Pro Tundra too and the Raptor puts it to shame in the looks department. Along with his Outback, that tiny driveway is a whole mess of vehicle and tire.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:30 AM   #56
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I really like the sound of the stock exhaust too.
Saw one yesterday and man that BMW powertrain does sound awesome
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:25 PM   #57
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:43 AM   #58
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:37 AM   #59
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Nice. I ended up just paying cash as they were only offering 4.49% 3months deferred when I bought mine in April (was it?). I'm real happy with the car and the the dealer was great, very willing to work with me on price for a super smooth delivery.

It's my first 'Toyota'. Did a couple of mods on her. So pretty in my garage.
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:45 AM   #60
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:48 AM   #61
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It's funny I get respect from Bimmer folks due to the B58. It's good because I never liked Toyota cars and this is a soft step getting into Toyota's.

Hell, if they released the high performance Swift, I mean GR Yaris, in the US I'd get one too.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:45 AM   #62
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I saw someone post they paid $46K and change (before taxes, and fees) on a 2020 Premium that retailed for $57K.

I think $46-47K is a solid price point for this car (leftover 2020) in the Premium trim. Still a bunch of leftovers near me. Lowest price I have seen is $49K for a Premium but I bet you can get that cheaper.

If only they offered this car in a manual in the states...
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:31 PM   #63
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Nice. I ended up just paying cash as they were only offering 4.49% 3months deferred when I bought mine in April (was it?). I'm real happy with the car and the the dealer was great, very willing to work with me on price for a super smooth delivery.

It's my first 'Toyota'. Did a couple of mods on her. So pretty in my garage.
Curious what dealer you used?
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:34 PM   #64
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You can find the 2020 going for $50k. The premiums are like $53-$55k if you look. Throw $5k down plus cost of TTL and you’re at a $600 month car payment. Not bad for a $50-$60k car. I’d still like to see the base model going for $45k, and premium at $50k max.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:13 PM   #65
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I saw someone post they paid $46K and change (before taxes, and fees) on a 2020 Premium that retailed for $57K.

I think $46-47K is a solid price point for this car (leftover 2020) in the Premium trim. Still a bunch of leftovers near me. Lowest price I have seen is $49K for a Premium but I bet you can get that cheaper.

If only they offered this car in a manual in the states...

Yeah, I saw that too.

hey, how are you liking the 350? I was so close to getting one.....
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:17 PM   #66
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Curious what dealer you used?
The 4.49% APR 69months (I think it was) with 3 months deferred was offered nationally through Toyota Finance at the time. I would have qualified for it based on my credit score, but 4.49% with say a 5K down (per example above) with no trade 69months would be like paying $9K in total finance charges if full term.. that's a huge waste of money so just paid cash considering my bank's interest rate right now is crap.

Sales guy mentioned only 2-3 months prior (pre-pandemic) they were selling at MSRP and people were buying them. I got mine for like $7K off, and put on $5K+ in mods thus far.

I should be getting the 3D Designs CF paddles maybe tomorrow which is like the last bit of mods for my 'phase1'. Driving the car is pretty fun (not 100% engaging due to AT and I'm a MT guy) but makes for a great garage queen.
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:34 PM   #67
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Yeah, I saw that too.

hey, how are you liking the 350? I was so close to getting one.....
It is the best car I have ever owned (and I have owned a lot). I say best just due to how Ford really knocked it out of the park in terms of the overall package (for me). Driving dynamics. Gearbox. Engine. Exhaust note. Practicality. I put winter tires on it and drove during the winter (no snow, but cold ground) and I can't get enough of the car. I still get excited just driving it to go get a gallon of milk. The 8200 rpm redline and exhaust note have ruined other engines for me....

The engine reliability scares me but I am good for another 4 years on the powertrain and plan on getting an extended warranty. The good news is Ford does seem to replace them without a problem if you properly maintain them and don't modify them.

So far zero issues, let's hope it stays that way because that is the only thing that would force me to get rid of it. I think the days of manual gearboxes are becoming few and far between, especially paired with an NA V8.
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:36 PM   #68
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So how are they getting away with supercharging them while not impacting reliability?
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:44 PM   #69
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So how are they getting away with supercharging them while not impacting reliability?
The Voodoo seems to be luck of the draw. There are guys on the Facebook group with 50-70K+ miles and zero issues (no oil consumption, etc). There are guys with 500 miles still in break-in and their engine seized due to a valve issue.

Some of the guys with forced induction have built the motor and reinforced it, the key to forced induction with these cars is wait 5-10K miles to see if you got a good engine or not. I bet 90% of the failures are within 5K miles.

I have had mine for over 3K miles without an oil loss or any other issues. One thing about this engine is to let the oil temperature get up to good operating temp before I push the car over 4-5Krpm. If you drive the car hard you have to check the oil too. When you drive these hard they will consume some oil and some people think it's a Toyota and can beat on the car and not check the oil for 3-5K miles. Big mistake. I bet most of the failures are due to oil starvation. It's just a higher maintenance engine.

I am not modding mine. I don't want the hassle and these engines are very expensive to replace. If I feel the need for more power I would simply buy a faster car.
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:49 PM   #70
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Talking factory GT500 not aftermarket.
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Old 06-04-2020, 05:18 PM   #71
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Talking factory GT500 not aftermarket.
GT500 is not flat plane crank.
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Old 06-04-2020, 05:32 PM   #72
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Is the flat crank a fatal flaw? Or are all these engines not getting proper development time to be reliable? Or suppliers not keeping up?
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Old 06-04-2020, 06:40 PM   #73
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Is the flat crank a fatal flaw? Or are all these engines not getting proper development time to be reliable? Or suppliers not keeping up?
Not to get too far down a rabbit hole in a Supra thread but the GT350 has a higher rev range and a higher compression ratio. As far as I know the Voodoo is Fords first FPC engine but if you ask me the failures seem to be from a quality control and potentially defective parts, and poor maintenance. The 15-17 motors used a regular oil filter style but dealers and owners were not torquing the filters properly and the vibrations of the engine caused the filter to fail. They switched to a canister style in 18. Adam Lz’s gT350 just burnt down at the track for this reason.

It’s just a more complex engine. Which is what makes it so good at the same time... Its more maintenance and you have to be a hands on owner. It’s not for everyone.
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The Voodoo seems to be luck of the draw. There are guys on the Facebook group with 50-70K+ miles and zero issues (no oil consumption, etc). There are guys with 500 miles still in break-in and their engine seized due to a valve issue.

Some of the guys with forced induction have built the motor and reinforced it, the key to forced induction with these cars is wait 5-10K miles to see if you got a good engine or not. I bet 90% of the failures are within 5K miles.

I have had mine for over 3K miles without an oil loss or any other issues. One thing about this engine is to let the oil temperature get up to good operating temp before I push the car over 4-5Krpm. If you drive the car hard you have to check the oil too. When you drive these hard they will consume some oil and some people think it's a Toyota and can beat on the car and not check the oil for 3-5K miles. Big mistake. I bet most of the failures are due to oil starvation. It's just a higher maintenance engine.

I am not modding mine. I don't want the hassle and these engines are very expensive to replace. If I feel the need for more power I would simply buy a faster car.

Nice to hear how good it is. I can see one of these in the garage in a few years if I get bored with the Supra. I’m thinking a2020 Heritage edition maybe or FP blue with white stripes .

yeah, the engine variability was the only thing Keeping me away.....
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The 15-17 motors used a regular oil filter style but dealers and owners were not torquing the filters properly and the vibrations of the engine caused the filter to fail. They switched to a canister style in 18. Adam Lz’s gT350 just burnt down at the track for this reason.

It’s just a more complex engine. Which is what makes it so good at the same time... Its more maintenance and you have to be a hands on owner. It’s not for everyone.
I have a mid year '17 and it has a canister oil filter.
Just clarifying.
I can't hear the engine over the exhaust note...seriously, I don't know what it sounds like.
Someone will have to sit in the car and rev it for me while the hood is open.
Yet I can still here the sound of my Dad's '91 ZR-1 screaming towards 7,200 rpms.

I saw a red Supra the other day and it looked sharp!
So while looking at photos online can make me cringe a little, it's so unique looking in person that I could probably live with it.
It's a hatch, right? Easy to put my surfboard in.
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