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Old 06-29-2020, 03:10 PM   #2026
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The Golf-R is a great GT (grand touring) car I love just cruising around town. But for me it has to be MT in order to make it a special enough car for me to keep as a hobby car (with CBE, intake, ground effects, 19" wheels, etc etc). Nice drive modes, awesome Fender stereo too.

Otherwise agree that it is a fairly mundane car.
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:09 PM   #2027
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Subaru needs to give us a crumb of information on this car already. I'm tired of dumping thousands of dollars into my current BMW just to keep it moving.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:33 AM   #2028
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Honestly, I found the Golf R pretty uninspiring and boring. It's nicer than the STI from a comfort perspective, but I wouldn't expect the driving experience to be a huge sell.

Also, I don't know why you'd feel the need to get a 2 row CUV just because you have kids. Have two little ones that fit in the STI just fine.
I have never driven an STI, only WRX, so my experience was a little limited, but it was a tuned wrx, so maybe a tad faster than the same year sti... The R was refined, but could handle more than I could throw at the wrx. For a DD, I felt the R was perfect. Had refinement for carrying clients around, but could be hooned as necessary. Blended in so people didn't automatically assume I was a bro when I pulled up to their office. A clean OEM looking R is a wolf in sheep's clothing...

There are too many personal, family, financial reasons to start to state why I sold my Golf R for a Highlander, but understand that it wasn't a decision made lightly...
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:56 AM   #2029
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I have an STI, Golf-R, and WRX and WRX (mine is a 19 Limited, AP stage1+) is clear winner for daily driving. Mainly for comfort over bigger bumps and overall practicality. Golf-R has limited suspension stroke so can get a little harsh over bigger bumps one might encounter.

The WRX's trunk capacity is actually quite impressive compared to Golf's where there isn't much room unless the rear seats are down. Golf feels somewhat cramped inside where as WRX is quite roomy for all passengers. Driver's seat is not cramped at all on either car btw.

My Golf-R is a hobby car that replaced a 370Z a while back and I only drive her on nice weekends when I feel like going for a relaxing stroll.
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:19 PM   #2030
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I have never driven an STI, only WRX, so my experience was a little limited, but it was a tuned wrx, so maybe a tad faster than the same year sti... The R was refined, but could handle more than I could throw at the wrx. For a DD, I felt the R was perfect. Had refinement for carrying clients around, but could be hooned as necessary. Blended in so people didn't automatically assume I was a bro when I pulled up to their office. A clean OEM looking R is a wolf in sheep's clothing...

There are too many personal, family, financial reasons to start to state why I sold my Golf R for a Highlander, but understand that it wasn't a decision made lightly...
For what it's worth, I drove a GTI/R/STI/WRX on the same day when I was car shopping.

The WRX didn't do much for me compared for the STI. It wasn't the power, it was the way it was delivered. All midrange with annoying rev hang. More mid range with a tune wouldn't have helped the situation. I also didn't like the steering feel or shift feel in the WRX, which aren't fixable via tuning given the different steering system and different transmission.

The GTI/R were fine but just a bit too sterile. I honestly wouldn't want to cart around clients in any car in this class. An S3 would be much more presentable if you like the R, but then you miss out on the manual. The manual R also has a seriously underbuilt clutch and the GTI's gearing is way too tall.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:18 PM   #2031
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If you want to cart around clients to impress, get a luxury car, not some donky S3.
You cart around clients in a STI? That's a horrible choice unless he's like a car guy or something.

At my work we have several luxury company cars just for those occasions.. or we just rent a large luxury SUV for the event. I never cart around clients in my personal cars.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:01 PM   #2032
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If you want to cart around clients to impress, get a luxury car, not some donky S3.
You cart around clients in a STI? That's a horrible choice unless he's like a car guy or something.

At my work we have several luxury company cars just for those occasions.. or we just rent a large luxury SUV for the event. I never cart around clients in my personal cars.
I usually am the client (in-house attorney), so I have nobody to impress. I'm rarely the one to drive with colleagues because I have kid's car seats in the back. If I were still in private practice, I'm sure clients would really dig sitting in an S-class in-between two car seats though

Of course nobody would be impressed by an S3, but at least in my business it's usually best if nobody remembers your car at all (unless you get a client like me who is a car guy). An S3 would be pretty anonymous as would a 3 series or other entry level German luxury branded car. A Golf R would be a "Weird little hatchback" to non car people. It's pretty rare for lawyers to take clients in their cars anyways- you would usually just meet. At most, they'd just see it.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:48 PM   #2033
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:55 PM   #2034
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Motorcycle.. that and being able to play acoustic guitar are 2 things I regret not doing earlier in life.
A bike makes all the cars look expensive and worthless. Just a lot less tolerant of mistakes and you canít daily ride it (I wouldnít) and I only like riding all of mine out in the country twisty roads where traffic is nil compared to the burbs or city.

I am damn near praying for a solid new STi, hopefully a coupe. Will be my winter twisty machine and I loved driving in hard rain in my STi or RS. Last piece I need for my fleet to be complete.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:01 PM   #2035
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If I had a bike hobby you know it'll be an expensive one with Ducati's and all. So it doesn't matter as long as one's having fun whatever the price is.
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Insuring a fleet of new sports cars for a couple years is by itself worth a new Ducati. lol
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:24 PM   #2037
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Insuring a fleet of new sports cars for a couple years is by itself worth a new Ducati. lol
I can insure a GT350, ZL1, or Hellcat Manual for $520 a year. A Ducati V4 Panigale is $200 a month or $2,400 a year. Crazy. My local Duck dealership is where I get all my bikes state inspected. Was in there today getting one inspected. A few years ago, they got down to the last Panigale S V-Twin and I wanted it bad as I miss my RC51 (VTR1000SP2) that I had to sell in 2006 (unemployment). GM offered me 25k OTD which is actually a good price. I call my insurance broker. ď$2,400 a yearĒ and Iím like WTF! I pay $93 a month on my 3 bikes now. So double what I pay now for one bike. F that.

Any time I want something now, I donít even bother going to look at it unless I call my broker and give him a VIN first. Not even worth the time.
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:14 AM   #2038
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Just watched this... They did a video like this with the BRZ claiming it was getting a turbo for the next model. Now they come out with this claiming the STI will infact get a FA24T. Wonder where they are getting their info..
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Old 07-01-2020, 11:13 AM   #2039
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The GTI/R were fine but just a bit too sterile. I honestly wouldn't want to cart around clients in any car in this class. An S3 would be much more presentable if you like the R, but then you miss out on the manual. The manual R also has a seriously underbuilt clutch and the GTI's gearing is way too tall.
All depends on the industry you work in, imo. I'm not trying to woo my clients with a fancy car - having something understated and functional is way more appropriate than an S3. Conversely though, a wrx is never going to reflect positively, particularly in the pnw where wrx's are everywhere and largely obnoxiously loud and driven by bros.

At the end of the day, buy a 40k STI and you get the interior of a sub 20k Japanese car with a few upgraded elements. Sure, you're paying for the mechanics, not the interior, but that's not the definition of a comfortable daily driver. The R isn't for everyone, but it was a way better car for me.
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All depends on the industry you work in, imo. I'm not trying to woo my clients with a fancy car - having something understated and functional is way more appropriate than an S3. Conversely though, a wrx is never going to reflect positively, particularly in the pnw where wrx's are everywhere and largely obnoxiously loud and driven by bros.

At the end of the day, buy a 40k STI and you get the interior of a sub 20k Japanese car with a few upgraded elements. Sure, you're paying for the mechanics, not the interior, but that's not the definition of a comfortable daily driver. The R isn't for everyone, but it was a way better car for me.
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:47 PM   #2041
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Just watched this... They did a video like this with the BRZ claiming it was getting a turbo for the next model. Now they come out with this claiming the STI will infact get a FA24T. Wonder where they are getting their info..
Are they still yelling and screaming? Donut Media used to be fun to watch (their "history of ___ car" videos are neat) but at one point they just got too over the top, in your face douchebro status. I haven't watched one of their videos in years because I can't stand them anymore.

But good point and most likely it's just pure speculation. Of course all the signs point towards an FA24 being likely in the new gen, but I highly doubt Donut Media would be the first ones to put out any concrete reporting on it over other, more established sources.
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:51 PM   #2042
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yeah... I'm in the engineering consulting world. Flaunting money just tells clients they're "overpaying". We don't have that issue internally, as our salaries are commensurate with our responsibilities and knowledge, but our clients would certainly view a luxury car as a sign that they're paying too much - even though they're not.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:50 PM   #2043
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yeah... I'm in the engineering consulting world. Flaunting money just tells clients they're "overpaying". We don't have that issue internally, as our salaries are commensurate with our responsibilities and knowledge, but our clients would certainly view a luxury car as a sign that they're paying too much - even though they're not.



One of our long time customers is EXACTLY this. When the LXT came out, he reaalllly wanted it; but, was afraid of the image it would give his customers. I laughed at him. His concern wasn't as much of "what" car it was, but, the fact he bought a new car. So, HE happened to be glad the new ones don't look much different than what he replaced. So, when he got it, we made sure it was the same color.
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All depends on the industry you work in, imo. I'm not trying to woo my clients with a fancy car - having something understated and functional is way more appropriate than an S3. Conversely though, a wrx is never going to reflect positively, particularly in the pnw where wrx's are everywhere and largely obnoxiously loud and driven by bros.

At the end of the day, buy a 40k STI and you get the interior of a sub 20k Japanese car with a few upgraded elements. Sure, you're paying for the mechanics, not the interior, but that's not the definition of a comfortable daily driver. The R isn't for everyone, but it was a way better car for me.
What's overstated about an S3? I thought it was a fairly reserved purchase. Way more grown up than the STi's I've owned. The Golf R is ideal though if you're going for understated and comfortable without being miserably slow.
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Old 07-02-2020, 08:30 AM   #2045
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You guys should just buy/rent cars to match the occasion. Then you won't have these issues.

I can't see myself being happy with just a S3. Those things look like tricked out Civics and DSG sucks.
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Which generation Civic? Certainly not the current generation.
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DSG sucks compared to CVT?
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You guys should just buy/rent cars to match the occasion. Then you won't have these issues.

I can't see myself being happy with just a S3. Those things look like tricked out Civics and DSG sucks.

Do enlighten how the DSG sucks? And they look nothing like a civic...
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What's overstated about an S3? I thought it was a fairly reserved purchase. Way more grown up than the STi's I've owned. The Golf R is ideal though if you're going for understated and comfortable without being miserably slow.

The 4 rings on the grill, people attribute Audi to expensive. When in all reality they arenít that expensive
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Do enlighten how the DSG sucks? And they look nothing like a civic...
Come on man.

Tricked out Civic


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You can't even tell them apart. They're both BLUE!
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