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Old 07-12-2020, 04:42 AM   #1
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The Cadillac CT4-V offers enhanced street driving capability that blends nimble performance and Cadillac’s signature technology features.

Cadillac is on a journey of reinvention, albeit one that has lasted for nearly two decades. We’ve seen the automaker struggle to find the precise design formula, the right powertrain line-up, the right model mix and, of late, even the right product nomenclature.

It’s in the midst of another transformation as it abandons the familiar ATS and CTS models and, more or less, replaces them with the new CT4 and CT5 sedans. Adding to the confusion, it is bringing back the V-Series, but not as Caddy fans might anticipate.

The “V” designation no longer graces the brand’s most powerful models, that role going to the new Blackwing line. If it helps, think of it as the equivalent of Audi’s A, S and RS performance ladder.



The Cadillac CT4-V is the replacement for the outgoing ATS-V sedan.

Overview: So, we were quite anxious to get our hands on the new 2021 Cadillac CT4-V so see how this strategy plays out from behind the wheel. A quick look at the specs might seem disappointing, the ATS-V’s 464-horsepower twin-turbo V-6 replaced by a turbo-four making a relatively meager 325 hp.

Yet, after spending some time literally taking the CT4-V to Hell (Michigan) and back, we found ourselves much more impressed than we expected.

Exterior: Cadillac execs insist the base CT4 is not a direct replacement for the old ATS. The outgoing model was something of a “tweener,” where the new sedan more directly targets the likes of an Audi A3 or BMW 2-Series. That said, there’s not all that much difference in size, the wheelbase between ATS and CT4 lines essentially identical.

… Visually, the new sedan follows the latest Cadillac design theme which has been retrenching from the extreme angles of the brand’s breakthrough Art & Science language …

It’s still more crisp and angular than most of its competitors, but the overall look is more rounded, with a flowing, coupe-like roofline and softer curves to the side profile. Even the lighting has been revised. There are new horizontal slit headlamps, though the LED running lamps retain the virtual lighting cue that Cadillac is known for.

The CT4-V overall look is more rounded, with a flowing, coupe-like roofline and softer curves to the side profile.

The CT4-V, meanwhile, gets some subtle, largely performance-oriented design cues, including distinctive red high-performance brake calipers and large air intakes up front.


Interior: If anything, the cabin of the new CT4 line feels a bit more cramped than the outgoing ATS. Frankly, interiors are, to our way of thinking, the single weakest point in the current Cadillac line-up. They’re reasonably luxurious but don’t quite have the level of plush refinement you’d expect of products in the luxury class. Pop the trunk, for one thing, and you might as well be looking at a Chevrolet in terms of detailing and execution.

That said, the CT4, and the CT4-V add plenty of new features, from the slick power seats to the next-generation infotainment system. There’s also an active noise management system that keeps things quiet – until you’ve got your foot to the floor. We’d just like Caddy to upgrade the cabin a bit and would suggest a look at what crosstown rival Lincoln has been doing of late.

The interior of the Cadillac CT4-V is very good, but it could stand to be upgraded a bit.

Powertrain: Here’s where you might expect to hear us really whine, considering the sharp downgrade in the V-Series drivetrain. Surprisingly, once you clearly understand the new performance line-up, it all makes sense. And, as the new center of the mix, the CT4-V really comes through in shining form.

The stock version of the CT4 is offered with two engine options, a base 2.0-liter four making 237 hp and 258 lb-ft, as well as a 2.7-liter inline-four that takes the numbers up to 310 and 350. In the V you get a recalibrated version of that 2.7-liter package jumping up to 325 hp and 380 lb-ft of torque. It may not sound like much of a difference on paper, but it becomes readily apparent on the road.

At launch, the torque is what impresses. Thanks to a trick dual-volute turbo design, power comes on fast, reaching its peak at just 2,000 rpm. That really paid off when we took the 2021 CT4-V out on our favorite Michigan roads in the appropriately named town of Hell. The winding route requires you to get constantly on and off the throttle and, with the assistance of the car’s 10-speed automatic, it always seemed to be in just the right gear to give us a solid launch coming out of a corner. The transmission can get a bit busy in the Tour mode setting, but it proved spot-on in Sport.


The CT4-V was developed for a new generation of sedan customers, the first-ever CT4 blends nimble handling and Cadillac’s signature technology.

The CT4-V, we need add, can be ordered in either rear or all-wheel-drive configuration. We tested the latter and would recommend that option.

Technology and Safety. Caddy made headlines when it introduced its Cadillac User Experience, or CUX, a few years back. The completely touch-based system seemed brilliant – until it came time to make it work. Then, things didn’t quite live up to expectations, commands often lagging in execution. The good news is that the latest iteration found on the CT4 line-up all but completely resolves our previous concerns. The system is much quicker to respond, whether to touch or voice commands, Cadillac having adopted a new electrical architecture, dubbed the “Vehicle Intelligence Platform.”

An 8-inch touchscreen handles Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, as well as an optional navigation system. There’s wireless phone charging, Amazon Alexa, and we would recommend the auxiliary rotary knob to make the infotainment system easier to operate.

… The new system is not only faster but has much more advanced cybersecurity built in, and it also permits smartphone-style over-the-air updates …

Caddy officials weren’t offering specifics but we expect that the OTA system will eventually allow software revisions to most all of the CT4’s microprocessor-based technology.

On the safety side, the CT4 gets the expected list of advanced driver assistance systems, including active cruise, forward collision with auto braking, blind-spot detection and more.

Cadillac’s exclusive Super Cruise, the first true hands-free driver assistance feature for the freeway, will be available on the CT4-V.

The sedan also will soon share the Super Cruise system first introduced on the big CT6 sedan. That’s one of the market’s most advanced semi-autonomous technologies, allowing hands-free driving on about 200,000 miles of limited-access freeways and other roads. And, when it does migrate into the CT4 and CT5 lines, it will get enhanced capabilities, including the ability to tap the turn signal to automatically execute a pass.

Drive Impressions: As our drive through Hell reminded us, performance is more than just about power. And here’s where the CT4-V really shines, thanks to its mechanical rear limited-slip differential, magnetic ride control suspension and Continental SportContact 6 summer tires.

The sedan remained glued to the pavement, even during a sudden downpour. The suspension soaked up bumps while minimizing body roll, and the V’s steering was entirely predictable and precise. Better yet, the set up proved forgiving, especially when we had to abort a passing maneuver.

What we particularly love about the latest iteration of the magnetic ride control system is how transformative it can be. In Sport mode it keeps the sedan firmly hunkered down. In Tour, it provides the sort of boulevard-smooth dynamics that Detroit luxury sedans used to be known for.

Wrap Up: The luxury market can be a tough place to compete these days, with plenty of product available from a long list of brands. It’s especially tough to play in the sedan market, considering shrinking sales. So, those who hope to survive really have to deliver.

Though we do have our concerns about the 2021 Cadillac CT4-V, they are generally minor. And the sedan’s positives dominate. This is a sold product that is just plain fun to drive. Better yet, it’s the sort of performance sedan that can serve up weekend adventures while still being a comfortable daily driver.


The base CT4 starts at $33,950 and runs up to $45,490 for the CT4-V, including $995 for destination. The all-wheel-drive model bumps that to $47,585.




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Old 07-12-2020, 08:16 AM   #2
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Humm.. I'm not feeling the design, especially the facia.
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Ok, so a tuned CT4 twin turbo 6, with AWD. For under $50k. And they got rid of all the crap in the interior and simplified and straightened it all. Can probably be tuned a little better and ... push 400hp easy. I'm looking at you Livernois.

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Caddy like this with a turbo 4 banger is like Porsche putting a turbo 4 in the Cayman, it just don't belong.
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Humm.. I'm not feeling the design, especially the facia.

Those "cheek vents" kill it for me. At least they didn't go wild with the grille. The trunk lid also looks clumsy - doesn't integrate well with the rear bumper.
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Ok, so a tuned CT4 twin turbo 6, with AWD. For under $50k. And they got rid of all the crap in the interior and simplified and straightened it all. Can probably be tuned a little better and ... push 400hp easy. I'm looking at you Livernois.

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No 6cyl or twin turbo with the CT4.
Did you even read the article?
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:29 PM   #8
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Oops, thought it was a twin 6... yes, and for some reason I skipped right over the 2.7 four. Brain fart. No longer want. LOL (Thought I read it elsewhere... not sure what's going on with my brain)

I saw this "twin-turbo V-6" and just thought it was with the rest.

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Good news is its only 3600lbs. I say ONLY because thats actually not bad for a modern performance sedan/coupe...
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Keeping it 4 cylinder was a good plan if you have a good 4 cylinder to use. Lightens everything. The design is pretty good for first impressions. Camaro-ish.
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But, truck engine.

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And? HO version sounds fun.
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Figuring that's the same weight as a Camaro... Huh.

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He said Better then BmW M3, Mercedes, etc. He really praised the Blackwing 4..

Anys you guys drive it? Etc


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I drove with a CT4-V from roughly Iowa City to the 88 oasis on Sunday. It looked nice and held 90mph with no trouble. The Blackwing looks really nice, gets great reviews and has a manual. Assuming one can be found around MSRP it's a good offer. And it's got the same cup holder layout as my 05 WRX.

That is a nice blue and you can get BBS-looking bronze wheels.

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https://youtu.be/dfllxDq0Qww
I'm hoping before it's out of production they throw a V8 in it. But the TTV6 sounds pretty raucous so I could live with that.

It's on my short list but will wait til the waitlists and markups go away.
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Thanks Guys

Well..usual Cadillac Crap. (I don't want to order, plus it would long time to get it).

Did some quick internet searching of inventories.
1. Just about everyone is between 70 to 85 thousand dollars. I figured that.
2. But I did find one kinda close to my Pa location. Sale guy say Oh yeah..It's got manual, Black paint. I said is loaded with options. He said, not really it has two Tech package and Climate package. Then the Cadillac/ Gm craps starts.

59 dollars car with 2 cheap minor options turns into 11K.
To get the options you have get Data Recorder.. Heating steering wheels, fancy leather interior.. f that.. Go to Edmunds put in 2022 Ct4 blackwing ad Climate package and tech package you'll see what I'm saying.
And these options don't have anything in them it's just fluff..joke
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I'm hoping before it's out of production they throw a V8 in it. But the TTV6 sounds pretty raucous so I could live with that.

It's on my short list but will wait til the waitlists and markups go away.
I don't think that's happen. You want V8 pony up..CT5 winger.. one reviewer from edmunds said after you drive it with V6 you crave for The V8. I know one thing, get it beat it, flip it..after warranty it will be a black hole sucking you and everything you have into it.

I was just thinking. I love to see him review the same exact car in 24 to 30 months later. That would be a good review. Because you know all the guys that are reviewing the car are you doing the same thing he's doing. slamming on the brakes testing it, testing it hard. So it would be interesting to see how it holds up how, the paint, how many did it end up at the dealer, interior rattles.

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has anyone seen any performance upgrades for the 2.7T CT4-V (non-blackwing)? any component failures common following the modifications?
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I placed an order for a CT4-V Blackwing. God help me.

I haven't driven one, but I drove a pre-owned non-BW CT4-V which was "OK enough". The 2.7 turbo was decently peppy, and the auto trans was not bad at all.

A dealer near me sells them for MSRP-ish. They don't mark up the car, but install a package of dealer options on all their cars. That was close enough for me. But the dealer has a backlog of orders, so it has not been submitted to GM yet. They expect the car to come in around January, plus/minus a couple of months.

I agree with AVANTI that these cars have lots of options of increasingly questionable value. My build has the manual trans and only 3 options: paint, caliper color, and seats. The seat choice has a couple of option packages that automatically go with it). MSRP on my build is $66.7k. With the dealer options, the price will be right at $68.0k, +TTL.

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I placed an order for a CT4-V Blackwing. God help me.

I haven't driven one, but I drove a pre-owned non-BW CT4-V which was "OK enough". The 2.7 turbo was decently peppy, and the auto trans was not bad at all.

A dealer near me sells them for MSRP-ish. They don't mark up the car, but install a package of dealer options on all their cars. That was close enough for me. But the dealer has a backlog of orders, so it has not been submitted to GM yet. They expect the car to come in around January, plus/minus a couple of months.

I agree with AVANTI that these cars have lots of options of increasingly questionable value. My build has only 3 options: paint, caliper color, and seats. (The seat choice has a couple of option packages that automatically go with it). MSRP on my build is $66.7k. With the dealer options, the price will be right at $68.0k, +TTL.
Awesome, it'll be a classic. Is it a 6mT?
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Awesome, it'll be a classic. Is it a 6mT?
Oh, yeah, manual.

The Blackwing might be the last manual I ever purchase. The '18 Nissan Frontier I bought a few years ago was my first automatic in 35 years, and as I get older I sometimes have aches and pains that make driving the truck easier than messing with the STI. And The Great Electrification is coming.

I've been in the "sport compact" world for almost 18 years. Two Evos, a WRX, and my current STI. Not gonna lie, I was a little sad the first time I walked out into my garage after ordering the Caddy. But I was sad when I got rid of the first Evo, too. And I got over it. LOL.

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Berserker2 You'll love it. Solid choice. I'm worried About That Time you stated Jan.2023.. Ka Wowzer..Hope You read All The Print When You Gave Money

Here's some Codes you Might Need going down the Pike.. Think About It..this will Be the last in your Life to Order Big Americana Engine with Manual Transmission That drinks high octane swill like an Elephant bathing. Peace hope your 6000 is sooner then later ..73 Avanti

500, this is a dealer stock order code used to order common vehicles. Please contact your dealer to receive an actual active order number.

• 1100, Preliminary order accepted (This means your dealer has entered your order into their system but does not mean they have the allocation to submit the order to GM yet. Speak with your dealer to verify when they expect to be able to submit your order for production)

• 2000, Order accepted by GM (This means the order has been submitted and accepted by production. You are now on your way.)

• 2030, Order re-edited (if necessary) (This is simply an edit code showing that something on your order has been changed. It does not mean your order has been accepted to production and really does not mean anything beyond your previous status other than a change has been made.)

• 2051, Order changed thru Web (same as above)

• 2500, Order preferenced (This means that the Order has been moved to the stage that parts department is now ready to place the orders for the components that will become your car)

• 3000, Order accepted by production control (This is the response from production to your 2500 status and is when Parts are actually ordered. No further changes can be made to your order once you reach this point.)

• 3100, Order available to sequence (This is more or less an inter-office memo from Parts to Production saying all parts are committed to this build, they are clear to sequence them for the build.)

• 3300, Order scheduled for production (This is the response to the 3100 status where Production is cleared to sequence and schedule the build) TPW usually avaiable

• 3400, Order broadcast (This is when the order is actually loaded onto the production line computers and parts are being staged for the build)

• 3800, Order produced (The vehicle is completed and has rolled off the line. A Vin is now available.)

• 4000, Available to ship (Vehicle is off the line and available to ship)

• 4104, Bailment Invoice (Shipping documents generated)

• 4200, Shipped (Vehicle has been moved by a carrier to another location or destination. If in combination with a 4300 status code then this is transfer to either a vendor for upfitting or to a distribution yard for final transportation.)

• 4300, Intermediate Delivery (In combination with a 4200 this is saying that the vehicle has been transported to a vendor or to a distribution center.)

• 4B00, Bayed (listed anytime a vehicle is sitting parked waiting for next mode of transportation. It can also be this status while in Quality Control)

• 4800 Rail Ramp Unload, end of the line by (if) rail. To be delivered by truck to dealer

• 5000, Delivered to the dealer

• 6000, Delivered to the customer

• 9000, Order Cancelled
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Oh, yeah, manual.

The Blackwing might be the last manual I ever purchase. The '18 Nissan Frontier I bought a few years ago was my first automatic in 35 years, and as I get older I sometimes have aches and pains that make driving the truck easier than messing with the STI. And The Great Electrification is coming.

I've been in the "sport compact" world for almost 18 years. Two Evos, a WRX, and my current STI. Not gonna lie, I was a little sad the first time I walked out into my garage after ordering the Caddy. But I was sad when I got rid of the first Evo, too. And I got over it. LOL.
No matter how great the car, I eventually want something new and different.
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Wow, this is excellent! I found a place where people who ordered Blackwings are talking about their codes, but had not bothered to search for a reference list yet. You just handed it to me on a platter.

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This dealership chain is very low-key and per online chatter has a great reputation. Which is part of the reason for the long delay: they have a lot of people ordering through them to get that sweet MSRP. I could get one sooner at another dealer, but that dealer adds a $25k market adjustment. F*** that.

At this point, I am OK with the delay if it means I get the car exactly the way I want it. I get to pick the body color, wheels, caliper color, seat type and color, and transmission. There are 1,200 combinations of those options. I chose a low-key "sleeper" spec that looks like a grandma would drive.

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Yeah. It's the end of an era. My next car after this will almost certainly be electric.
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