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Old 09-09-2020, 06:06 AM   #451
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Man I guess facts have no place in life anymore. Sad state of affairs. 42% of Americans are obese. Over 70% are ďfatĒ. Those are facts not opinions. With fast food drive thrus on every corner, well you can easily put one and the other together. Health experts refer to it now as the ďObesity EpidemicĒ. The diabetes hitting the nation well the same experts refer to this as a ďdiabetes epidemicĒ. Even in the ďpandemicĒ, the fat, obese, ie unhealthy contribute to the spread of the virus because their immune systems are weak and compromised because of a lack of exercise and garbage diet. Our own countryís health at fault for the duration of the pandemic. What happened to caring about your fellow man, your fellow countrymen? They donít care, just give them that double burger sack meal. Well all I can say is I canít wait for the fat tax. Iíd love to see medical insurance rates readjusted so the people who live relatively healthy get a payment decrease and the people using the hell out of it because they have nasty habits can pay more. Itís that way with auto insurance.

Look at the vehicles for sale in the US. Growing trend CUVís because apparently ingress and egress into a passenger car is too difficult. With all them extra pounds, itís just easier to get in and out of. Thatís what I am told by people who sell cars. They are buying larger vehicles too. Iím not justifying anything. Iím telling you Toyo USA said the car isnít large enough for USA. For a majority of the nation, they do have a point. I still think they are cowards anyhow. But a small light weight car here, ah forget it. Whatís the use? We should be lucky the Miata is still here. Outside of a little drop top roadster, or a Pony car itís gotta have 8 cup holders and seat children and who knows what else? I can bitch about the lack of choice we get all I want, and perform RCA.

I also agree with the above comment about a status symbol. Thatís sad and pathetic as well. So fake life image based, that your frail sensibilities and ego need some sort of status symbol to justify things to strangers. What a joke. But thatís reality here. Fake life, image, what strangers think, what people on the internet think via Instacrap, Fakebook, Twatter and whatever is next is so important that people perform, and itís all an act. Throw that in with the already quite persistent Jonesís, whether that be neighbors, family, whatever.

So many things are why the car doesnít get here. Fat asses, fake image life people being more the norm than the minority, and a gutless American arm of a company. I donít think every automobile mfr. that sells here should make a WRC Homlogation vehicle for sale to us. That would be narcissistic. It sure would be nice to get a single solitary one though, especially when itís already been built. But we arenít Europe where you have so many choices. This is the USA, how many cup holders does it have? Affordable AWD performance type car? Youíve got one mfr. Want the up trim then you have two. Thatís it. Youíve got some of that is definitely the mfrís at fault but most of it is the citizenry. Youíve got so many people here where the fast food place is a bigger deal to them than a car, any car. Less enthusiasts today because so many their hobby is a 6Ē screen and apps. Murica.
That's BS, honestly. Cars are bigger because bigger cars justify higher prices for similar platforms as economy cars, which means higher profit margin, also potentially more lenient crash regs. Americans have been fat. I'm fat, my family is fat. I have a miata and my parents have midsize luxury cars. My G35 is the biggest car I've ever had. Most the people I know with SUVs are rock climbers and campers/hikers.
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Old 09-09-2020, 06:43 AM   #452
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I would love to see this thread if the car was actually coming to the U.S.

"I'm disappointed that it doesn't have more power, 5.5s 0-60 is pretty slow by today's standards."

"It's neat but a bit too small for my needs, I'd rather have a dedicated sports car."

"With the crazy dealer markups this thing is going to have there's no way I'm buying one."

"I hear they're already having problems with head gaskets."

Etc.
Back when there was a glimmer of hope it may come here, Pre was hot for it, I was too but wanted a 5dr hatch because daily usability with kids (arguments ensued), but I was still tempted to go for the 3dr and knew if I drove one I'd try to make it work.

That 0-60 is square in the good zone - not so fast that you can't enjoy most of it on the street, but not so slow that you're getting pulled on by the random V6 Camry.
The smallness was appealing, cars are huge now.
I don't pay ADM, but hadn't gotten to the point of worrying about it yet since it was only a "maybe" that the car would get made, let alone make it here.
Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, - this isn't a Ford (FoRS) or Subaru (EJ), so I'm not worried about things like that; I honestly expect it to be a well engineered runner that can take abuse right out of the box and for years to come.


Scroll back through and read the beginning of the thread if you want to know how people reacted when it was potentially coming to our shores.
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Old 09-09-2020, 08:35 AM   #453
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I also agree with the above comment about a status symbol. Thatís sad and pathetic as well. So fake life image based, that your frail sensibilities and ego need some sort of status symbol to justify things to strangers. What a joke. But thatís reality here. Fake life, image, what strangers think, what people on the internet think via Instacrap, Fakebook, Twatter and whatever is next is so important that people perform, and itís all an act. Throw that in with the already quite persistent Jonesís, whether that be neighbors, family, whatever.
It's funny how GenZ and Millenials mostly drive leased CUV's and 52% live at mom and dad's house per CNN.. hardly a status symbol.

I get harassed often while driving my FiST and Golf-R.
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Old 09-09-2020, 09:05 AM   #454
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It's funny how GenZ and Millenials mostly drive leased CUV's and 52% live at mom and dad's house per CNN.. hardly a status symbol.

I get harassed often while driving my FiST and Golf-R.

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ďRoughly 15% of millennials live with their parents, up from 10% of Generation X members when they were in their 20s and 30s, the Pew Research Center found.Ē

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...nts-2019-07-16

Living with your parents until you were married was pretty normal up until the middle of the 1900s. Then in the middle of the century it became financially viable to be on your own in your 20s. Now, with skyrocketing housing prices and education prices, staying with your parents is fiscally responsible.

Iím an old millennial. When I was doing my engineering co-op, I slept on my fiancťís parentsí couch for 7 months. It allowed me to save ~$800/mo more for our modest wedding and help pay for my state school education. That co-op turned into a real engineering job that I still have 14 years later. My wife and I met in college and were both professionals when we moved in together 1 year before we got married (versus living separate). We had 6 years of DINK life in our inexpensive little house before we had a kid. We lived in that little house until it was too small and I was able to put 50% down on my 2nd house in the good school district in the good neighborhood. Iíll have this house paid off by the time Iím 40 assuming nothing crazy happens. My point is that Iím benefiting from the compounding interest effect. If my parents had booted me out at 18 and said I was on my own or I didnít get help from my in-laws, there is no way Iíd be in the position Iím in today. That head start and a combination of good luck and good decisions early on put me way ahead of a lot of my peers.

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Back when there was a glimmer of hope it may come here, Pre was hot for it, I was too but wanted a 5dr hatch because daily usability with kids (arguments ensued), but I was still tempted to go for the 3dr and knew if I drove one I'd try to make it work.

That 0-60 is square in the good zone - not so fast that you can't enjoy most of it on the street, but not so slow that you're getting pulled on by the random V6 Camry.
The smallness was appealing, cars are huge now.
I don't pay ADM, but hadn't gotten to the point of worrying about it yet since it was only a "maybe" that the car would get made, let alone make it here.
Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, Toyota build quality, - this isn't a Ford (FoRS) or Subaru (EJ), so I'm not worried about things like that; I honestly expect it to be a well engineered runner that can take abuse right out of the box and for years to come.


Scroll back through and read the beginning of the thread if you want to know how people reacted when it was potentially coming to our shores.
I'm not doubting you or Pre, I know you'll buy a car you want. But hype is different than reality, and while I would love to see this car on our shores I can guarantee that there would be tons of discussion in here justifying why people aren't buying it.

This Yaris looks awesome, and I wish I could see them driving our shores. But most Americans are into NASCAR, muscle, wide open roads, big speed and big vehicles. No matter how fast a car is Americans always say "it could use about 50 more horsepower" then they go get it tuned and say "this is how it should have come from the factory." Then they blow up the engine and whine that it's not reliable enough or that the company didn't build enough overhead for tuning.

Americans don't care about rally, touring cars, GT, etc. They care about drag racing, circle track, comfort, and picking up chicks.

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Older millennials are pushing 40 now, though. That article is specifically pointed at kids that are ďyoung adultsĒ. I still used my parents address as my permanent address until 23 because it was consistent versus a dorm room or whatever ****ty apartment I was renting for the school year. I figure almost all of my friends at college considered their permanent address to be their parentsí at graduation timing. We werenít living at home but it was some in-between situation.
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yep, the german guy is a bigger size, thatīs why he drives a Corvette too, an homage to the american lifestyle









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We don't have 25 year import laws here in Costa Rica so I believe I could theoretically buy/import a LHD one but it would end up costing $50k here. Better off buying a $15k GC8. Or neither since we need to buy a house first and (garage) space is at a premium here.
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WTF is that thing.. yikes.
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It's a WRX, STI, Golf R, FiST, and a Supra rolled into a car. You should love it. But you don't. Hmm.
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I'm not doubting you or Pre, I know you'll buy a car you want. But hype is different than reality, and while I would love to see this car on our shores I can guarantee that there would be tons of discussion in here justifying why people aren't buying it. :
I had to listen to the same thing about the FoRS, and I bought one, and proved that wrong. I'd buy this as well but yes, others would balk, certainly. It's MY version of the 86. Light weight, AWD, front and rear diffs, and just enough power. Reality I want 400 HP, but like the 86, the light weight and handling, makes it OK. And there would be mods to wick it up some.

As Sid said, Toyota Build Quality, and I'd add Toyota Reliability. Most exciting car to me in 30 years of buying them. No fluff, no bs. With the diffs a pure car. I'd rather have a 4 banger but if the three cylinder and displacement is going to work for WRC, well there would have to be mods to make it ridiculous and I'd certainly be buying parts and tuning the thing. Killer car. It has more room and functionality than a Cayman, Miata, and maybe even the 86. Has more room and functionality than a Pony car. 261 HP and I think 265 foot pounds. They list 5.2 to 60 mph. That's WRX levels of power at what 500 pounds lighter?

But it's not a status symbol. It's not going to win the paper/stat race nor "lap times" of the ring or VIR or whatever bs. It is a hoot to drive. I've watched all the drive reviews and on boards, even from the regular folk. It's a hoot to drive, especially in 30/70 mode, it oversteers and has the same type mode on your and my previously owned FoRS. I've done the financial conversions. The circuit pack and convenience pack are the only two options. Loaded, 37-38k. But I think just the circuit pack would be 35-36k and that's where I'd buy it and do my own audio. I wouldn't pay a dime of ADM, but I want it and would actually pay sticker and I never pay sticker, I buy at invoice or below. And I'd write a check for it right then and there, no financing.

I'd read every paragraph and salivate.
https://www.toyota-europe.com/world-.../born-from-wrc

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It's a WRX, STI, Golf R, FiST, and a Supra rolled into a car. You should love it. But you don't. Hmm.
Yeah, its like those drinks people blend that look like hosed down cow manure, I prefer to have my veggies separately and fresh.
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Those pictures... *heavy sigh* I honestly would trade-in my Impreza for that. Is it less practical? Yes. Is it more fun to look at? Yes. Is it more fun to drive? Automatically yes.
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I had to listen to the same thing about the FoRS, and I bought one, and proved that wrong. Iíd buy this as well but yes, others would balk, certainly. Itís MY version of the 86. Light weight, AWD, front and rear diffs, and just enough power. Reality I want 400 HP, but like the 86, the light weight and handling, makes it OK. And there would be mods to wick it up some.

As Sid said, Toyota Build Quality, and Iíd add Toyota Reliability. Most exciting car to me in 30 years of buying them. No fluff, no bs. With the diffs a pure car. Iíd rather have a 4 banger but if the three cylinder and displacement is going to work for WRC, well there would have to be mods to make it ridiculous and Iíd certainly be buying parts and tuning the thing. Killer car. It has more room and functionality than a Cayman, Miata, and maybe even the 86. Has more room and functionality than a Pony car. 261 HP and I think 265 foot pounds. They list 5.2 to 60 mph. Thatís WRX levels of power at what 500 pounds lighter?

But itís not a status symbol. Itís not going to win the paper/stat race nor ďlap timesĒ of the ring or VIR or whatever bs. It is a hoot to drive. Iíve watched all the drive reviews and on boards, even from the regular folk. Itís a hoot to drive, especially in 30/70 mode, it oversteers and has the same type mode on your and my previously owned FoRS. Iíve done the financial conversions. The circuit pack and convenience pack are the only two options. Loaded, 37-38k. But I think just the circuit pack would be 35-36k and thatís where Iíd buy it and do my own audio. I wouldnít pay a dime of ADM, but I want it and would actually pay sticker and I never pay sticker, I buy at invoice or below. And Iíd write a check for it right then and there, no financing.

Iíd read every paragraph and salivate.
https://www.toyota-europe.com/world-.../born-from-wrc
Yeah I deleted my whole thing about the Focus RS. Lots of people trashing it who have never owned it. Anyways, living here in the USA weíre going to be constantly disappointed when it comes to these special performance compact cars. Sucks, but it is what it is.
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FocusRS is one wild ride. I'd own one if Ford continued making them for our market.

I suppose in that sense the CTR has come a long way.. although FWD sucks and I'd not want one now.
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Yeah I deleted my whole thing about the Focus RS. Lots of people trashing it who have never owned it. Anyways, living here in the USA weíre going to be constantly disappointed when it comes to these special performance compact cars. Sucks, but it is what it is.
Agree on both points. The RS was the best chassis Iíve owned. Same would go for the GKN Twinster compared to any awd system Iíve owned including the STi. STi understeers and takes corners like a pig while the RS naturally oversteers and rotates through the corner. I loved both very much, and the EPS I thought was excellent. The engine was the let down for me. Ford cheapened out. Guys building them are pulling the motor and welding gussets in the rear of the block to strengthen it. I started having reliability issues with mine, I guess build quality issues and this was post head gasket repair (I got a whole new head and put ARPís in). A better, stronger motor, I would have put up with it and owned it until death I liked everything else that much. A better motor or stronger one and it would have gone down as the GOAT. Hated to get rid of mine but I had an opportunity to get rid of it for 3k less than I paid for it after having it 2.5 years and this was right after two b2b warranty repairs in a 30 day period.

Reliability is a concern. Yeah we donít get the special models often. But geez when we do make the thing reliable. Thatís why the GR4 burns. Toyota build quality and reliability? Dude. Oh well.
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The Focus reminds me of helicopter engineering. It works super well as designed, but it's at its limits. Start adding power and the system falls apart.

I would LOVE to get into something as purpose built as that Yaris, especially by Toyota. Personally though I'm looking at a 2 seat sports car for my next garage addition, as I already have an AWD turbo car I won't ever part with (my WRX).
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Subaru is said to be working on its own version of the Toyota GR Yaris.

Subaru's answer to the Toyota GR Yaris could soon be on the way, with fresh reports out of Japan suggesting a new "Super AWD" is coming to sit below the WRX STI.

Based on the GR Yaris, the Subaru version would be yet another partnership between the two Japanese car makers, having already paired on the 86/BRZ project, as well as a new EV SUV.

The project remains rumoured for now, but they have been doing the rounds for a number of years, with Toyota said to be splitting the GR Yaris' sky-high production costs with Subaru.

As reported in CarsGuide last year, the "Super AWD" program that spawned the Yaris was always expected to produce a similar Subaru-badged car, but the rumours have only now reappeared as the Yaris prepares for its Australian launch.

Adding strength to the rumours is Subaru's expected return to the WRC, the same catalyst that saw Toyota create the GR Yaris.

According to Japanese reports, the top-secret project will produce a "comfortable AWD machine with a horizontally opposed engine installed vertically".

It's unclear what could power a potential Subaru sports car, though we know the GR Yaris is powered by a thumping three-cylinder, 1.6-litre engine packing a 200kW/370Nm punch.

The reports follow news Toyota has increased its stake in Subaru, taking its ownership stake to above 20 per cent. Announcing that move, Toyota hinted more co-developed AWD models were to come.

ďWe will bring together the strengths of both companies and jointly develop the most comfortable AWD model,Ē a press release said.
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I would be very interested in a small hatch like that. Something about boxy hatches and 2 seater coupes I like.. a lot.
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Would buy if it is anything like the GR Yaris.
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Subaru, here is what you should do.
1.) take a GR Yaris hatch
2.) make it a four door
3.) slap some subaru bumper skins and headlights on it
4.) replace Toyota badges inside and out with Subaru badges
5.) LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE ALONE
6.) Offer it for sale in North America
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Subaru, here is what you should do.
1.) take a GR Yaris hatch
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3.) slap some subaru bumper skins and headlights on it
4.) replace Toyota badges inside and out with Subaru badges
5.) LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE ALONE
6.) Offer it for sale in North America
Fit the good diffs and I'll buy one. An AWD four door Veloster N type car would kick ass.
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I'm definitely okay if it came in a 3 door hatch.
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