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Old 10-23-2020, 08:36 PM   #26
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Theres a smooth part behind the splines on the input shaft. The throw out bearing rides there. A light amount a grease should be put on the smooth part of the shaft <--(that's what she said )
Exactly thats how I do it...I polish that section with emory cloth after cleaning it and then put a very fine film of lube over it. I'm not sure what this other guy is saying LOL..seems like he just wants to argue or is just trying to sound like he knows how to do it or possibly is talking about another application???
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:14 PM   #27
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For one thing a bad TOB will not harm the clutch in any way so there was no legitimate reason they should have done that anyhow.
So this time around they are replacing all kinds of stuff.

Sucks about the body damage but you have plenty of warranty. Out of 4 manuals I have owned or do own and put well over 400k total miles on I have never had one throw out bearing issue ever.
I wouldn't worry so much about this, I think you just got unlucky, plus it is getting fixed for free.
You've never seen a throwout bearing seize up and stop spinning? I've seen them rub the tips off the fingers of the clutch cover (pressure plate). Subaru "redesigned" those release bearings 3 -4 years ago and they still had a high failure rate. Perhaps they should quit using that plastic sleeve - that seems to melt when the bearing gets warm. Then the bearing is no longer on-axis. A bearing won't last long if only 1/4 or less of the contact area is trying to carry 100% of the load.
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:30 PM   #28
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I've highlighted the TOB for everyone lol...
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Old 10-24-2020, 11:42 PM   #29
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I wouldnt take my car to a dealer that was servicing my car, a throw out bearing went, they put another one in, and that one went, and then they drove my car into a wall. Run OP, run to another shop that specializes in Subaru high performance and get a clutch upgrade, and stay away from the joy riders and apprentices doing clutches at dealerships.
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Old 10-25-2020, 10:57 AM   #30
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I wouldnt take my car to a dealer that was servicing my car, a throw out bearing went, they put another one in, and that one went, and then they drove my car into a wall. Run OP, run to another shop that specializes in Subaru high performance and get a clutch upgrade, and stay away from the joy riders and apprentices doing clutches at dealerships.
Thing is 3 or 4 different people may drive the car at the dealer. The porter(s) (used to be called lot lizards) drives it from the service drive to the parking lot in service and back. Then there is the tech that works on the car. Then the most likely suspect for damage (since most dealers wash cars now) the kid that runs the car through the car wash. Most dealers use machines to wash.
You would be amazed at how many people - including techs - they hire that have no idea how to dive a manual transmission.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:19 AM   #31
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Exactly thats how I do it...I polish that section with emory cloth after cleaning it and then put a very fine film of lube over it. I'm not sure what this other guy is saying LOL..seems like he just wants to argue or is just trying to sound like he knows how to do it or possibly is talking about another application???
You've never done this and it is obvious. When I pointed out the input shaft was splined it took you 3 hours to respond when prior to that you'd be back in within 5 minutes. You had to research on the internet to learn how this works.

It doesn't run on the shaft, it spans it
if it ran on the shaft it would spin 100% of the time the vehicle was in motion, thus failing almost immediately
Grease on the shaft is meaningless since it doesn't touch, you might as well grease the johnson rod while you are at it

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Old 10-26-2020, 08:23 AM   #32
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You've never seen a throwout bearing seize up and stop spinning? I've seen them rub the tips off the fingers of the clutch cover (pressure plate). Subaru "redesigned" those release bearings 3 -4 years ago and they still had a high failure rate. Perhaps they should quit using that plastic sleeve - that seems to melt when the bearing gets warm. Then the bearing is no longer on-axis. A bearing won't last long if only 1/4 or less of the contact area is trying to carry 100% of the load.
huh?
who said I don't think a tob can fail?
Of course it can and they do.
NightRanger is claiming it runs on the input shaft which is all I am pointing out is false.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:06 AM   #33
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huh?
who said I don't think a tob can fail?
Of course it can and they do.
NightRanger is claiming it runs on the input shaft which is all I am pointing out is false.

Great! Now I'm gonna be hearing "Sister Christian" in my head all day long...
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:05 AM   #34
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Great! Now I'm gonna be hearing "Sister Christian" in my head all day long...
Nighthawk is listening to that right now as he fills his vape devices for the day
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:15 PM   #35
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huh?
who said I don't think a tob can fail?
Of course it can and they do.
NightRanger is claiming it runs on the input shaft which is all I am pointing out is false.
LMAO....you are so clueless, wallowing in your own interpretations for days now. I think you understand(at least I hope you do), what was being explained when I detailed the correct procedure to install STI TOB and all the lube points. You are telling everyone it doesnt need lube anywhere because they are lubed internally when manufactured, and you are 100% wrong, they DO IN FACT require lube on 3 different contact points of the assembly. You dont just take it out of the box and toss it on dry...wrong wrong wrong.

Do the research, work on the cars, reiterating an interpretation you have without knowing the actual procedure of installation just highlights what you dont have knowledge of.

Ya, let me go out to the garage and pull my engine again and do it all over LMAO!!!!!! I pulled the engine in 2018 replaced the clutch, with exedy HD,OEM TOB, new OEM flywheel, ACT monolock, replaced the rear main seal, replaced the engine mounts with group N while it was out on the crane, saved thousands doing it at home instead of paying someone. Clutch is flawless, just slightly heavier than stock, but holds way more power, never hear any squeeks etc from TOB, trust me I installed it correctly and with the proper lube points. And no I didnt install the TOB on the splines, which if you knew what you were talking about is literally impossible when the engine is installed.

Been working on cars for 30 years, probably started working on engines before you were even born....you will never catch up....so pardon me...but I am going to go out and rip through some gears in my GD STI now and have a blast.

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Old 10-26-2020, 12:27 PM   #36
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LMAO....you are so clueless, wallowing in your own interpretations for days now. I think you understand(at least I hope you do), what was being explained when I detailed the correct procedure to install STI TOB and all the lube points.

Do the research, work on the cars, reiterating an interpretation you have without knowing the actual procedure of installation just highlights what you dont have knowledge of.
we get it.. . .you're angry. . . nobody cares, let it go
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:36 PM   #37
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I wouldnt take my car to a dealer that was servicing my car, a throw out bearing went, they put another one in, and that one went, and then they drove my car into a wall. Run OP, run to another shop that specializes in Subaru high performance and get a clutch upgrade, and stay away from the joy riders and apprentices doing clutches at dealerships.
Unfortunately this dealer is the only one in town and we have no subaru performance shops here. Lots of dealers and performance shops and hour and a half away from where I live but the day I dropped it off I went to work afterwards and I work 12 hour shifts and haven't had a day off since then so I couldn't waste any more time dealing with the drama they brought into my life.

But the small bit of solace I've got from this ordeal was filling out the survey subaru sends after you take your car to the dealer for service. I went into great detail every bit BS I've dealt with due to this ordeal and apparently the dealer really cares about those surveys because I got an email from the service manager today. He reference the survey and said the were replacing the entire clutch as a good will gesture due to them jacking up my car and all the grief it has caused. Don't know if he lied to me or the service writer because the day it happened the service writer said they had a new TSB that indicated that the entire clutch be replaced now with this TOB failure.

The service manager went on to say in the email that the clutch is not normally covered by the factory warranty. In his email he made it sound like he is doing me a favor and I should be grateful for the new clutch and shut up about it all and don't give his service department a poor evaluation for wrecking my car.

But one thing he said that concerned me was that he said they were having the front repaired and he was also fixing some chips in the paint. But when I was at the dealer the service writer said they would likely have to replace the front piece because it's plastic and it had a something that looked like a tear in it as well as other damage. So can you repair a tear/long hole in plastic? When I wrecked my ninja 15 years ago and tore up the plastic fairing every place I called said you couldn't repair the plastic and I had to buy new. The plastic on my wrx seems a lot like that plastic on my 05 ninja and that makes me wonder if they are doing my repair on the cheap. Anyone know the truth about the front end plastic repair? Clearly I can't trust the dealer to tell me the truth.
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Old 10-27-2020, 10:11 AM   #38
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Been working on cars for 30 years, probably started working on engines before you were even born....you will never catch up....
Yeah I'm not old as hell so you may be right

Maybe next time measure the ID of your TOB and the OD of the input shaft and report back
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:12 AM   #39
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But one thing he said that concerned me was that he said they were having the front repaired and he was also fixing some chips in the paint. But when I was at the dealer the service writer said they would likely have to replace the front piece because it's plastic and it had a something that looked like a tear in it as well as other damage.
Depending on how big the tear is, it may be repairable.
The Dealer and SOA and trying to make it sound like they are doing you a big favor because they do not want to admit any real responsibility, even if it is truly a warranty / TSB repair / replace.

What you need to do is find out exactly what they mean by they are going to fix the front as opposed to when they said they were going to replace it.

If you wait until it's all done, it's too late.
The car is only 3 years old so make sure it's done right.
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:27 PM   #40
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I have a '16 WRX and had the TOB TSB performed at 61k miles back in Spring of 2019. I too had the 100k mile gold warranty. They replaced the TOB with the new design and the entire clutch assembly under warranty because they said the TOB was causing premature wear. I will note I had no performance issues before the replacement, I only requested it be done because of the noise. I'm now at 91k and no issues
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Old 10-31-2020, 04:10 PM   #41
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Unfortunately this dealer is the only one in town and we have no subaru performance shops here. Lots of dealers and performance shops and hour and a half away from where I live but the day I dropped it off I went to work afterwards and I work 12 hour shifts and haven't had a day off since then so I couldn't waste any more time dealing with the drama they brought into my life.

But the small bit of solace I've got from this ordeal was filling out the survey subaru sends after you take your car to the dealer for service. I went into great detail every bit BS I've dealt with due to this ordeal and apparently the dealer really cares about those surveys because I got an email from the service manager today. He reference the survey and said the were replacing the entire clutch as a good will gesture due to them jacking up my car and all the grief it has caused. Don't know if he lied to me or the service writer because the day it happened the service writer said they had a new TSB that indicated that the entire clutch be replaced now with this TOB failure.

The service manager went on to say in the email that the clutch is not normally covered by the factory warranty. In his email he made it sound like he is doing me a favor and I should be grateful for the new clutch and shut up about it all and don't give his service department a poor evaluation for wrecking my car.

But one thing he said that concerned me was that he said they were having the front repaired and he was also fixing some chips in the paint. But when I was at the dealer the service writer said they would likely have to replace the front piece because it's plastic and it had a something that looked like a tear in it as well as other damage. So can you repair a tear/long hole in plastic? When I wrecked my ninja 15 years ago and tore up the plastic fairing every place I called said you couldn't repair the plastic and I had to buy new. The plastic on my wrx seems a lot like that plastic on my 05 ninja and that makes me wonder if they are doing my repair on the cheap. Anyone know the truth about the front end plastic repair? Clearly I can't trust the dealer to tell me the truth.

If they damaged any of the plastic trim by hitting something and cracking or worse "tearing" it, then those pieces should be replaced with NEW OEM parts....not "touched up". At least it sounds like they are going to fix the TOB properly this time.
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Yeah I'm not old as hell so you may be right

Maybe next time measure the ID of your TOB and the OD of the input shaft and report back
I already knew how to properly install and prep/lube the TOB assembly parts, so no need to measure anything LOL. There are 3 contact points that require lube you dont just throw them on dry. Obviously lube isnt required on parts that arent making contact LMAO.

I would like to know exactly what is changed on the new TOB and clutch assembly parts associated with the TSB, they are "replacing" parts that arent normally replaced for a defective TOB. I have had GREAT experiences with my Subaru service depts and parts departments that I have dealt with over the years. It sounds like SOA has addressed any issues the OP reported to them about the service at this particular dealership.

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I already knew how to properly install and prep/lube the TOB assembly parts, so no need to measure anything LOL. There are 3 contact points that require lube you dont just throw them on dry. Obviously lube isnt required on parts that arent making contact LMAO.

I would like to know exactly what is changed on the new TOB and clutch assembly parts associated with the TSB, they are "replacing" parts that arent normally replaced for a defective TOB. I have had GREAT experiences with my Subaru service depts and parts departments that I have dealt with over the years. It sounds like SOA has addressed any issues the OP reported to them about the service at this particular dealership.
Can't speak to this latest revision but the previous revision nothing obvious was visible. The groove for grease in the sleeve was only half full (as before) and the sleeve was still made from plastic.
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Obviously lube isnt required on parts that arent making contact LMAO.
^SMH

You mean like for instance, the input shaft??????
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You mean like for instance, the input shaft??????
Why are you so obsessed with this LOL....the input shaft splines get lube, and the input shaft hub that the TOB glides on gets a film of lube, the contact points on the clutch fork get lube. Your original retort was exploiting a theory that the clutch and TOB would work better if there was no lube applied so that there would be metal to metal contact for better actuation and movement of the parts...which is exactly OPPOSITE of the correct way to do it. Whatever youngin'
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Why are you so obsessed with this LOL....the input shaft splines get lube, Whatever youngin'
the clutch hub slides back and forth on those splines, thus needing grease.
The TOB does not contact the shaft

Whatever oldin
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the clutch hub slides back and forth on those splines, thus needing grease.
The TOB does not contact the shaft

Whatever oldin
What are you talking about??? LMAO. I think you are referring to the clutch disc splines. The TOB does contact the Input shaft hub/housing as it glides over it and should have a thin film of lube to prevent gouges and scoring wich can lead to binding. Not sure why you are so obsessed with the splines since the TOB travel does not contact them..impossible

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Can't speak to this latest revision but the previous revision nothing obvious was visible. The groove for grease in the sleeve was only half full (as before) and the sleeve was still made from plastic.
Interesting, so no design changes at all for the TSB????
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Interesting, so no design changes at all for the TSB????
The last TSB I had access to - (issued a couple years ago) stated a revised part. Just holding the revised part in your hand at that time you could not discern any difference in the exterior of the release bearing. That does not mean there were no internal improvements. I know of no techs that ponied up and bought a new bearing to cut in half just to find out - the tech's job is to be aware of the bulletin and make sure when the parts department gives them a new bearing it has the updated part number.
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Hopefully this will solve the mystery of the TOB..
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