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Old 04-19-2021, 10:34 PM   #3226
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This crazy. I never believe in conspiracies but wow is the media really out to get Tesla? Who is paying them to write all that crap.

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Old 04-20-2021, 02:00 AM   #3227
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This crazy. I never believe in conspiracies but wow is the media really out to get Tesla? Who is paying them to write all that crap.




No mention at all of the likelihood someone else was driving in the news story...? Three drunk guys get in a Tesla, crash, and the driver takes off? Would be far from the first time thats happened.

Not a Tesla fanboy by any means and completely agree that autopilot is going to cause fatalities (mainly in city / town driving, by people abusing the feature).

However, certainly seems like some terrible reporting and dangerous ignorance on the part of the news org.
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:11 AM   #3228
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No mention at all of the likelihood someone else was driving in the news story...? Three drunk guys get in a Tesla, crash, and the driver takes off? Would be far from the first time thats happened.

Not a Tesla fanboy by any means and completely agree that autopilot is going to cause fatalities (mainly in city / town driving, by people abusing the feature).

However, certainly seems like some terrible reporting and dangerous ignorance on the part of the news org.
Yup, because two asshats driving too fast does not make for a good story.
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Old 04-20-2021, 12:51 PM   #3229
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shes-tree.html

Two men died after a Tesla 'on autopilot with no one driving' crashed into a tree in Houston before starting a huge fire that took 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish.

The fully-electric 2019 Tesla Model S slammed into the tree in Carlton Woods at around 11.25pm on Saturday night before bursting into flames with the passengers still inside.

Fire fighters used 32,000 gallons of water over four hours to try to put out the flames because the car's batteries kept reigniting.

At one point, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out a fire in the battery.
Literally the whole story is false. Car was not on autopilot, didn't have the FSD package. It didn't take 4 hours to extinguish, nor did the fire department call Tesla at any point. My bet is on a drunk 3rd party fleeing the scene after testing the 0-60 in a residential cul-de-sac, or the owner showing off to his friend without a seatbelt on and being thrown in the backseat after hitting a tree.

If I had to guess the market makers are reeling from not being able to keep the stock under 720 last Friday, and are trying to avoid similar losses to call holders this week. So ramping up the FUD opportunistically.
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Old 04-20-2021, 01:28 PM   #3230
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for FSD according to a hacker's video Tesla is monitoring the driver with the interior camera.
This is creepy. People are okay with a car manufacturer (or anybody for that matter) watching them drive with an internal camera? Or, is this just for testing?
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Old 04-20-2021, 01:38 PM   #3231
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This is creepy. People are okay with a car manufacturer (or anybody for that matter) watching them drive with an internal camera? Or, is this just for testing?
You can opt out if you don't want to have the cabin camera enabled. I am ok with it, I could care less, I never understood the American obsession with privacy; I am not a super model . Cruise uses a camera to watch the driver and make sure they are looking at the road already.
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Old 04-20-2021, 01:39 PM   #3232
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This is creepy. People are okay with a car manufacturer (or anybody for that matter) watching them drive with an internal camera? Or, is this just for testing?
There are quire a few manufactures doing that now, especially GM and FORD.

They use the camera to track eye movement.
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Old 04-20-2021, 02:06 PM   #3233
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Here's the video of the race:

2021 ALL JAPAN EV-GP Series Round.1 FSW EV55km Race ”Tesla Model3 VS Porsche Taycan !!!!" - YouTube

Not a bad race...seems EVs can run 30 minute sprint races without a huge issue
I just watched the video and that race was hilarious. The Taycan lost so much power that it couldn't even pass a Nissan Leaf. It was doing really to be later passed by four Tesla Model 3s.
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Old 04-20-2021, 02:50 PM   #3234
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It was just a little tree and did not see it.
were either wearing seat belts ?
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Old 04-20-2021, 02:54 PM   #3235
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You can opt out if you don't want to have the cabin camera enabled. I am ok with it, I could care less, I never understood the American obsession with privacy; I am not a super model . Cruise uses a camera to watch the driver and make sure they are looking at the road already.
If you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about

It blows me away how easily people will give away they privacy. "How did my this get hacked?"
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Old 04-20-2021, 05:09 PM   #3236
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definitely sounds like a "hey watch how fast this car can accelerate, what could go wrong?"
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:29 PM   #3237
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how the crash post developed through this thread is hilarious. OMG autopilot, omg battery fire...how much water?, oh nos cameras. Moving goalpost.... the bias is strong.
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:38 PM   #3238
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It's gonna get worse Juanito.
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:52 PM   #3239
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I think a more important fact is that Dodge has 7.28 fatal crashes every 1000 cars they make while Tesla has had 62 fatalities in the last 3 years.
Regardless of what you drive, you just can't fix stupid.

My major concern is our lack or preparedness to handle EV fires and our ability to contain batteries rupturing and sending cells all over the place. I feel that we should address the issue before we double the current crop of EV's on the road.

Anyways the problem will only get worse before we wake up and fix it. Its the typical Politician move. Throw a bunch of crap on the fire and see what explodes. I'm just bitter that that Morgan killed their reverse trike EV.


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Old 04-21-2021, 10:37 AM   #3240
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So if anyone's wondering, I got my quote to sell my 2019 Model 3 with 15k miles to Vroom. It was $37k. Carvana offered me $33k. Total price for the vehicle was $51,700 for LR AWD and blue paint, with destination fee. Then I had sales tax of $3102, and a federal tax credit of $3750. That's $51,052 for the car.

FSD was $6k when I bought it, and acceleration boost $2k. so that's $58,052 into the car. I owe $35k. Basically my residual is 64% of what I've paid. Right now FSD is worth almost nothing to the market. I think if I sold it private party I could get a quick sale at high 30s to low 40s.

It's kind of a stark reminder of how much money you lose on depreciation on a new car, and Tesla's are not some magical exception to that. Part of the financial rationalization I had for buying this car in May 2019 was that I would save a lot of money on gas because I could charge at work. And for a year I did. I almost never charged at home, and commuted 45 miles per weekday. Road trips were cheap; I could drive 500 miles to see my parents for $50. I've also spent $0 on maintenance; it's had one tire rotation. Now due to COVID the car sits there a lot, getting 200-300 miles a month of driving unless I take a road trip. It also can use up to a $1 a day in electricity due to the normal draining of the battery, and my inefficient use of a level 1 charger (will have level 2 soon).

I would say COVID of course threw a big wrench into everything, but I'm also disappointed that FSD is mostly useless party tricks 2 years after Hardware 3 came out. I still like the car though. I'm having trouble bringing myself to get rid of it; maybe I'm still stuck on the sunk cost. Who knows what a new tax credit will do to actual EV vehicle transaction prices and resale of used Teslas.
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Old 04-21-2021, 11:26 AM   #3241
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So if anyone's wondering, I got my quote to sell my 2019 Model 3 with 15k miles to Vroom. It was $37k. Carvana offered me $33k. Total price for the vehicle was $51,700 for LR AWD and blue paint, with destination fee. Then I had sales tax of $3102, and a federal tax credit of $3750. That's $51,052 for the car.

FSD was $6k when I bought it, and acceleration boost $2k. so that's $58,052 into the car. I owe $35k. Basically my residual is 64% of what I've paid. Right now FSD is worth almost nothing to the market. I think if I sold it private party I could get a quick sale at high 30s to low 40s.

It's kind of a stark reminder of how much money you lose on depreciation on a new car, and Tesla's are not some magical exception to that. Part of the financial rationalization I had for buying this car in May 2019 was that I would save a lot of money on gas because I could charge at work. And for a year I did. I almost never charged at home, and commuted 45 miles per weekday. Road trips were cheap; I could drive 500 miles to see my parents for $50. I've also spent $0 on maintenance; it's had one tire rotation. Now due to COVID the car sits there a lot, getting 200-300 miles a month of driving unless I take a road trip. It also can use up to a $1 a day in electricity due to the normal draining of the battery, and my inefficient use of a level 1 charger (will have level 2 soon).

I would say COVID of course threw a big wrench into everything, but I'm also disappointed that FSD is mostly useless party tricks 2 years after Hardware 3 came out. I still like the car though. I'm having trouble bringing myself to get rid of it; maybe I'm still stuck on the sunk cost. Who knows what a new tax credit will do to actual EV vehicle transaction prices and resale of used Teslas.
All new cars depreciate a lot. We sold our 2018 Model 3 LR AWD and netted about $1,300 from what we owed. That's only because I paid it down faster than depreciation. Most cars don't get more valuable overtime.

Does Vroom know you have FSD and Acceleration Boost?

Most people drive less than they used to now.

Regarding FSD: 1st, I don't have FSD, nor do I even use standard AP, but you did get current functionality from FSD.
  • Navigate on Autopilot
  • Auto Lane Change (AP is very annoying w/o this)
  • Autopark
  • Summon
  • Traffic Light & Stop Sign control

So, it's not like you paid for a feature that never materialized. You just want more from it, which you are still entitled to if, and when, it comes out.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:01 PM   #3242
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So if anyone's wondering, I got my quote to sell my 2019 Model 3 with 15k miles to Vroom. It was $37k. Carvana offered me $33k. Total price for the vehicle was $51,700 for LR AWD and blue paint, with destination fee. Then I had sales tax of $3102, and a federal tax credit of $3750. That's $51,052 for the car.

FSD was $6k when I bought it, and acceleration boost $2k. so that's $58,052 into the car. I owe $35k. Basically my residual is 64% of what I've paid. Right now FSD is worth almost nothing to the market. I think if I sold it private party I could get a quick sale at high 30s to low 40s.

It's kind of a stark reminder of how much money you lose on depreciation on a new car, and Tesla's are not some magical exception to that. Part of the financial rationalization I had for buying this car in May 2019 was that I would save a lot of money on gas because I could charge at work. And for a year I did. I almost never charged at home, and commuted 45 miles per weekday. Road trips were cheap; I could drive 500 miles to see my parents for $50. I've also spent $0 on maintenance; it's had one tire rotation. Now due to COVID the car sits there a lot, getting 200-300 miles a month of driving unless I take a road trip. It also can use up to a $1 a day in electricity due to the normal draining of the battery, and my inefficient use of a level 1 charger (will have level 2 soon).

I would say COVID of course threw a big wrench into everything, but I'm also disappointed that FSD is mostly useless party tricks 2 years after Hardware 3 came out. I still like the car though. I'm having trouble bringing myself to get rid of it; maybe I'm still stuck on the sunk cost. Who knows what a new tax credit will do to actual EV vehicle transaction prices and resale of used Teslas.
What was the trade-in value from Tesla? for some reason mine was way higher than what Carvana offered me by 7k IIRC.
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What was the trade-in value from Tesla? for some reason mine was way higher than what Carvana offered me by 7k IIRC.
For us Carvana offered a few grand more than Tesla. I never tied Vroom. Carvana was so easy to work with.
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For us Carvana offered a few grand more than Tesla. I never tied Vroom. Carvana was so easy to work with.
I have FSD so I wonder if Tesla actually put some value for it. I really wish FSD was transferable.
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Vroom allows you to check a box for FSD; Accel boost isn't an option.

Tesla offered me $43k.
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I have FSD so I wonder if Tesla actually put some value for it. I really wish FSD was transferable.
That would be nice, but you are getting current value for FSD while owning the car. When you sell, you are getting out of paying for the rest of FSD as it is not paid off (if it is, then yes, you will get hosed).

Tesla shouldn't care if you have it or not, since all cars are capable. So even if you sold them a Non-FSD, they can enable it for the new buyer for $$$.
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Tesla offered me $43k.
So then what is the problem? Tesla is offering you $10k more than Vroom.
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So then what is the problem? Tesla is offering you $10k more than Vroom.
They're not offering me cash. That's a trade in value to buy another Tesla unless they do cash deals and I wasn't aware of it. The only thing I want from Tesla is like $58k before destination and sales tax. Model Y LR with white interior, red paint, base wheels, tow hitch, 7 seat configuration. I'd love a new S or even X, but that's just so much cash.

I'm not sure I can justify going from owing $35k on a Tesla with 15k miles to owing ~$50k or more on a new Y. Maybe I'm past the "I gotta have this car right now" phase with Tesla ownership.
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They're not offering me cash. That's a trade in value to buy another Tesla unless they do cash deals and I wasn't aware of it. The only thing I want from Tesla is like $58k before destination and sales tax. Model Y LR with white interior, red paint, base wheels, tow hitch, 7 seat configuration. I'd love a new S or even X, but that's just so much cash.

I'm not sure I can justify going from owing $35k on a Tesla with 15k miles to owing ~$50k or more on a new Y. Maybe I'm past the "I gotta have this car right now" phase with Tesla ownership.
Oh yea, it's a trade in value. I guess they don't just buy cars for inventory like an ICE dealer.

Maybe show Vroom that counter offer and see what happens.

Also, I recall at the end of 2020 that Carvana etc started low balling people due them having an excessive amount of Teslas in stock. I guess a lot of people didn't want to pay for a new Tesla during the pandemic. That might still be happening.
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WTF this is getting insane

https://twitter.com/enn_nafnlaus/status/1385248102483996680
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