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Old 01-20-2022, 04:01 PM   #4951
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Yep but that wasn't good enough for Subaru. They decided to make it look like an economy CUV.

They see it as an upgrade vehicle to Crosstek owners. They aren't worried about existing customers. Same as 2014/2015 with the VA and no more hatch.
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Old 01-20-2022, 04:05 PM   #4952
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They see it as an upgrade vehicle to Crosstek owners. They aren't worried about existing customers. Same as 2014/2015 with the VA and no more hatch.
Considering those sales numbers, they weren't wrong, eh?





Semi messing with you. You know I'd prefer a hatch as well. Just not a "must" for me since it wouldn't be my daily.


I do think this design will certainly test that "loyalty".
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Old 01-20-2022, 04:06 PM   #4953
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They see it as an upgrade vehicle to Crosstek owners.
See, I think that's weird. But I like the Levorg, so I'm weird.
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Old 01-20-2022, 04:21 PM   #4954
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See, I think that's weird. But I like the Levorg, so I'm weird.

Levorg looks 10X, sorry, I mean 100X times better.
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Old 01-20-2022, 06:14 PM   #4955
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Yeah but that are saying this car is completely separated off from the impreza. So it should look more extreme in a good way right? It should be more compact right? In the past the car was a tarted up impreza so there was only so much they could do. But now they could've gone aggro on the sheet metal, reduced the size, offered both sedan and wagon......

The realization sets in at some point that where this car used to be based off the Impreza... it's now based off the Levorg. Its sports sedan handicaps will be based on what Japan needs for a JDM midsize vehicle first.
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Old 01-20-2022, 06:52 PM   #4956
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The realization sets in at some point that where this car used to be based off the Impreza... it's now based off the Levorg. Its sports sedan handicaps will be based on what Japan needs for a JDM midsize vehicle first.
Except the VA was clearly an Impreza. The interior tells all. When the new Crosstrek is shown off, the interior will look just like the WRX/Levorg. At the end of the day it is just a little bit of sheet metal and now plastic cladding away from each other.
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Old 01-20-2022, 06:56 PM   #4957
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The realization sets in at some point that where this car used to be based off the Impreza... it's now based off the Levorg. Its sports sedan handicaps will be based on what Japan needs for a JDM midsize vehicle first.
The Levorg is an Impreza wagon.
The WRX is a performance Impreza.
The Crosstrek is a lifted Impreza hatch.
The Forester is a lifted and massaged Impreza hatch.

They are all Imprezas deep down.

The sheet metal, lights and additional SGP performance-oriented welding points might be different, but they are all Imprezas. The major divergence between WRX and Impreza was in marketing and factory timing.

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Except the VA was clearly an Impreza. The interior tells all. When the new Crosstrek is shown off, the interior will look just like the WRX/Levorg. At the end of the day it is just a little bit of sheet metal and now plastic cladding away from each other.
Correct.
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Old 01-20-2022, 06:59 PM   #4958
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Except the VA was clearly an Impreza. The interior tells all. When the new Crosstrek is shown off, the interior will look just like the WRX/Levorg. At the end of the day it is just a little bit of sheet metal and now plastic cladding away from each other.
I was referring to this new generation. Last generation Impreza was the lead project.

For this generation, I think Levorg is the lead project for WRX now instead of Impreza being the lead project.
Impreza and Crosstrek will remain siblings. All are related.

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I guess that depends because Impreza was first on SGP. Now the new WRX is finally joining the Impreza. Now of course Subaru has made some changes of course, but it is still a modified SGP platform and they couldn't just use the same 6 year old Impreza interior.

So really Impreza was still the lead and the new WRX dimensions pretty much fall inline with the current Impreza.
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Old 01-20-2022, 08:17 PM   #4960
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Except the VA was clearly an Impreza. The interior tells all. When the new Crosstrek is shown off, the interior will look just like the WRX/Levorg. At the end of the day it is just a little bit of sheet metal and now plastic cladding away from each other.
So it is binary or non-binary?
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Old 01-20-2022, 10:27 PM   #4962
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...yeah, revival of removing rear bumpers. Subaru's rally roots inspiration.
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Can you imagine if Subaru had released a 99" wheelbase car on 18" wheels with a 2-door option, stiff bushings, a popping&crackling single-exit mandrel-bent exhaust, launch control, flat-foot shifting, basic interior with an Android-based HU mounted in a single din slot, an additional screen for the passenger (with TSD rally tools), a torsen front diff, an electronic center diff, and 6.5" of ground clearance? We'd be just as excited for it as the GR Corolla.
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Old 01-21-2022, 02:22 AM   #4965
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Can you imagine if Subaru had released a 99" wheelbase car on 18" wheels with a 2-door option, stiff bushings, a popping&crackling single-exit mandrel-bent exhaust, launch control, flat-foot shifting, basic interior with an Android-based HU mounted in a single din slot, an additional screen for the passenger (with TSD rally tools), a torsen front diff, an electronic center diff, and 6.5" of ground clearance? We'd be just as excited for it as the GR Corolla.
To quote that dude in Top Gun. “Don’t tease me”.
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Can you imagine if Subaru had released a 99" wheelbase car on 18" wheels with a 2-door option, stiff bushings, a popping&crackling single-exit mandrel-bent exhaust, launch control, flat-foot shifting, basic interior with an Android-based HU mounted in a single din slot, an additional screen for the passenger (with TSD rally tools), a torsen front diff, an electronic center diff, and 6.5" of ground clearance? We'd be just as excited for it as the GR Corolla.
So basically a new 22B with some new technology goodies. Sign me up.
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Can you imagine if Subaru had released a 99" wheelbase car on 18" wheels with a 2-door option, stiff bushings, a popping&crackling single-exit mandrel-bent exhaust, launch control, flat-foot shifting, basic interior with an Android-based HU mounted in a single din slot, an additional screen for the passenger (with TSD rally tools), a torsen front diff, an electronic center diff, and 6.5" of ground clearance? We'd be just as excited for it as the GR Corolla.


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I don't think the Levorg is worth talking over as it was designed around the CVT. You have to go back fifteen years to have a WRX wagon.

Or a little longer in my case. Next month the car has to register with Selective Service.
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I don't think the Levorg is worth talking over as it was designed around the CVT. You have to go back fifteen years to have a WRX wagon.

Or a little longer in my case. Next month the car has to register with Selective Service.
Levorg/sportwagon is the same chassis, same wheelbase, same everything under the skin as the sedan is; all Subaru has to do is offer it with a manual trans instead of CVT only, and slide the center console w/manual handbrake into the interior for it to work. I'd say the CVT only was a fuel economy thing, but the WRX with the CVT has worse EPA ratings than the manual, so that's not it.

Me being picky, I'd want the STi drivetrain in it though, I'd pay STi money for it too, so there's that. To be clear, I don't want the EJ, just the trans & diffs; brakes too since it would be an STi wagon.
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I don't think the Levorg is worth talking over as it was designed around the CVT.
A car isn't designed around a transmission. They put an automatic in it because they view it as a GT type car, but there's absolutely nothing that they'd have to change to put a manual in it. Well, maybe they'd have to finally update their driver assistance software to match the rest of the industry.

They don't even need to put in the manual handbrake, just offer it with an electric one. Nobody uses them anyway, people complain about them purely for nostalgia.

Honestly, if they sold one here even with a cvt, I'd be on the phone with a local suby shop to see if they'd be willing to drop an sti 6 speed in it.
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Anyone who would want to drive a wagon needs a free hand for loading their pipe from the breast pocket of their tweed jacket. All auto manufacturers know this about wagon buyers.

What's that? Wagon buyers are driving enthusiasts that enjoy the stiff frame of a big box, the improved weight balance that the rear hatch brings to a front engine'd vehicle, the cargo flexibility of an SUV, but the driving dynamics of a low car? Nah.. pretty sure it's just the same folks that bought wagons in the 1960s.. the original Grand Touring family men. They want heated everything, auto everything, and peace & quiet.

Seriously, the first auto manufacturer to truly to understand why people actually want wagons when crossovers are 70% of the market, will get my money. Until then I'll continue not holding my breath for Subaru to wake up and remember what a success the manual WRX wagon was among enthusiasts despite being cursed with a narrow body.
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A car isn't designed around a transmission. They put an automatic in it because they view it as a GT type car, but there's absolutely nothing that they'd have to change to put a manual in it. Well, maybe they'd have to finally update their driver assistance software to match the rest of the industry.

They don't even need to put in the manual handbrake, just offer it with an electric one. Nobody uses them anyway, people complain about them purely for nostalgia.

Honestly, if they sold one here even with a cvt, I'd be on the phone with a local suby shop to see if they'd be willing to drop an sti 6 speed in it.
I do - my wifes car has one, I use it all the time in the winter to control the rear end of the car. My car has a foot-actuated parking brake, I disabled the ratchet mechanism so I could use it as a rear foot brake, trying to teach my clutch foot the finesse required on the downstroke as apposed to the upstroke it's used to is difficult. We had some weather a week back, icy conditions, snow etc. I was cursing my car for not having a hand brake, I did use my modified foot actuated parking brake, but my left foot just isn't there yet, as I've not had much practice with it until this winter.

I think anyone that grew up with a mechanical hand brake and used it back when VSC wasn't a thing is still using it if it's in their car, heck hill starts in a manual trans car before auto-brake hold became a thing is another example.
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I do - my wifes car has one, I use it all the time in the winter to control the rear end of the car. My car has a foot-actuated parking brake, I disabled the ratchet mechanism so I could use it as a rear foot brake, trying to teach my clutch foot the finesse required on the downstroke as apposed to the upstroke it's used to is difficult. We had some weather a week back, icy conditions, snow etc. I was cursing my car for not having a hand brake, I did use my modified foot actuated parking brake, but my left foot just isn't there yet, as I've not had much practice with it until this winter.

I think anyone that grew up with a mechanical hand brake and used it back when VSC wasn't a thing is still using it if it's in their car, heck hill starts in a manual trans car before auto-brake hold became a thing is another example.
Nostalgia. Not sure if you think I'm like 12 or something, but I learned manual driving without all of those things. Had my golfR for 2 years and never once missed a hand brake.

I'm not here to get into a pissing match about winter driving. Cool that you like to use the ebrake. But it's going to go away in all cars eventually. Just like manual transmissions. I'm just saying that the manual means more to me than the hand ebrake, and I think that 99.9% of other drivers would agree.
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