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Old 01-21-2022, 01:02 PM   #4976
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I'm surprised they decided to keep the e-brake in the Impreza. I assumed it was because they're still offering a manual and it's cheaper to make one center console style. I enjoy my e-brake, but I'm definitely in the minority of econobox buyers.
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Old 01-21-2022, 02:19 PM   #4977
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I'm ready to hear about the SPT. I can see how people can fool themselves into thinking a manual WRX has no competition because of the AWD, but once you lose the manual (especially if you are going for the top trim) there is some serious competition if you're considering it as a daily.
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Old 01-21-2022, 03:37 PM   #4978
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Can you imagine if Subaru had released a 99" wheelbase car on 18" wheels with a 2-door option, stiff bushings, a popping&crackling single-exit mandrel-bent exhaust, launch control, flat-foot shifting, basic interior with an Android-based HU mounted in a single din slot, an additional screen for the passenger (with TSD rally tools), a torsen front diff, an electronic center diff, and 6.5" of ground clearance? We'd be just as excited for it as the GR Corolla.
it'd also have plastic cladding, and everyone would poopoo all over it.
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Old 01-21-2022, 03:53 PM   #4979
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I've driven my fair share of cars with automatic transmissions, I've never used, nor missed a mechanical parking brake in these vehicles.

I've only ever owned cars with manual transmissions (my wife's primary vehicle not withstanding), I've never had one without a mechanical parking brake.

since I only ever use the parking brake to ensure the cars stays immobile when parked, I wouldn't really care if the mechanical arm was replaced with an automated button.

living and driving in Houston I don't get much opportunity/need to take hill starts seriously enough to want to use the handbrake to help, and when I did live in a place with wintry weather, engine braking was more than adequate to meet the gentle stopping requirements. I've been driving for 30 years, and probably a conservative estimate of over half a million miles, I've never had the hydraulic brakes fail me creating the need to use the parking brake as an emergency brake.

thinking back on it, I also had a few throttle cable failures during that time, never a drive by wire throttle failure though, for what that's worth.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:19 PM   #4980
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I've driven my fair share of cars with automatic transmissions, I've never used, nor missed a mechanical parking brake in these vehicles.


This is my personal pet-peeve. That roll-back is cringe worthy. I hate it when people I know do it, and I hate it on TV/Movies when you see the actor didn't apply the parking brake. You are always supposed to set it. Don't ask the parking gear to hold the car in place.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:59 PM   #4981
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This is my personal pet-peeve. That roll-back is cringe worthy. I hate it when people I know do it, and I hate it on TV/Movies when you see the actor didn't apply the parking brake. You are always supposed to set it. Don't ask the parking gear to hold the car in place.
I completely agree! I don't even think about it unless it's not there, automatic muscle memory. From time to time in inclement weather, the handbrake has kept me out of otherwise potentially expensive mishaps.
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:10 PM   #4982
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I like the WRX more. There is no market for station wagons in the US. You can't blame Subaru for not bringing it here to only lose money in the long run. Same with the hatch, no point in chasing a dead market.
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:13 PM   #4983
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I completely agree! I don't even think about it unless it's not there, automatic muscle memory. From time to time in inclement weather, the handbrake has kept me out of otherwise potentially expensive mishaps.

I disagree, I used to deliver on a pick-up truck so using the parking brake gets annoying over time. Car always holds anyway especially on a flat surface.

My next new car Iíll probably use it every time just to be proper.
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Old 01-21-2022, 05:13 PM   #4984
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This is my personal pet-peeve. That roll-back is cringe worthy. I hate it when people I know do it, and I hate it on TV/Movies when you see the actor didn't apply the parking brake. You are always supposed to set it. Don't ask the parking gear to hold the car in place.
I am pretty sure 98% of people don't use it. At least it feels that way. My wife used to be the same and I told her it's not safe to park your car without the parking brake. She always uses it now, just like having the right tires for winter.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:03 PM   #4985
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I like the WRX more. There is no market for station wagons in the US. You can't blame Subaru for not bringing it here to only lose money in the long run. Same with the hatch, no point in chasing a dead market.
If there's no market for station wagons in the US, then why are all the best sellers basically lifted station wagons?
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:39 PM   #4986
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If there's no market for station wagons in the US, then why are all the best sellers basically lifted station wagons?
In that case, you have a ton of cars to choose from. Just get a SUV and lower it then, boom you got your station wagon.

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Old 01-22-2022, 12:51 AM   #4987
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To me, a WRX is a stupid DD. DD means work commuting to me, bumper to bumper. Running errands, etc. DD means something super fuel efficient. A Honda Fit is a great example, perhaps an Impreza for those up north. Those are solid daily drivers. Daily driver and performance just don't go together to the point it's stupid. What are you doing in a WRX that is so awesome in that role? "Oh I mashed the pedal down on the on-ramp to the highway" only to have to slam on the brakes and sit there in congested traffic. Superb thinking. Or maybe you get to mash the pedal on the highway. Oh highway pulls, so brilliant. The damn thing will never be wrung out around turns for most.
You don't have to drive a car fast to enjoy it. I've never driven my STI close to the limit. I like to listen to it, run out the revs a little, down shift, feel the shifter/transmission doing it's thing, and feel the big brakes grabbing the car. It's a car I feel very connected to. I like the mechanical feel and the responsiveness. I truly enjoy driving the car anywhere I go, even if it's dropping the kid off at the daycare down the street.

It's entertaining to me, and I spend a lot of time there. Occasionally my wife and I go for drives, just to shoot the ****, rev the car out a little, and feel a few turns. It's fun to us, and relaxing for me. I don't need to drive the car fast to get personal satisfaction from it. I also like looking at it, to the point where I frequently look back at it, and enjoy walking up to it. I like the way the interior looks. I like sitting in the Recaros. I like almost everything about it. Except the stereo. Trash. Utter ****ing garbage.

I can afford my car. It's been paid for since it drove off the lot. I can afford the gas. I can afford the insurance. It's one of few vanity financial decisions I make. It makes me happy, and it works for me.



As far as the WRX goes, I saw it in person last weekend at the Saint Louis Auto Show. It looks drastically better when you see it with your own eyes, even though it was the ****ty orange colored prototype. The rear is still bad, but not as bad as I thought it would look. If they're going to keep the cheap plastic, get rid of the magma lights. They look a little juvenile.

My wife and I really liked everything about the cabin, including the big screen. However, I have no idea why, but it felt cheaper than my STI when sitting in it. Still good, but something is missing. Maybe the Recaros? The shifter felt a bit rubbery. Pedal placement was good. Visibility in the WRX (and the Forester) were second to none.

Even if the car drove great, the rear end is still bad. I heard other people commenting on that, too. Like non-enthusiast/soccer-dad people. The Subaru rep explained the cladding blends in with darker colors... and I didn't even comment on it. So what does that tell you? Again, it didn't look nearly as bad in person, but the rear end is such a buzz kill.

I hated myself walking away, but I'm used to the taste of toe jam. I tried not to go into it with prejudice, and I think I was reasonably objective.

Unrelated to the WRX note, I also hated myself and my wife for the Forester being our obvious favorite when it came to the interior of everything we sat in. We're shopping for something bigger than our Crosstrek. In typical jaded Subaru owner fashion, I said I'd never buy a Subaru again, but the Forester Touring seemed like a damn nice vehicle at a very reasonable cost. Again the visibility - second to none. The cabin felt much larger than other vehicles in its class. Believe it or not, my wife said she wished it had the same screen as the WRX, so... I was really hoping to be more impressed with the Rav 4, which we thought would be our obvious winner. But, it felt cheap. Now, if we could only find a new Forester to test drive, cash is in hand.

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Old 01-22-2022, 04:41 AM   #4988
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First rule of new Subaru ownership: Replace the stock stereo.

Unless it has the Harmon Kardon system, which I actually quite like. But my previous Subies didn't have that option, so I always upgraded to Infinity components and occasionally upgraded the head unit too.
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:23 AM   #4989
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If there's no market for station wagons in the US, then why are all the best sellers basically lifted station wagons?
There's ONE key word in your statement and it was VERY prevalent when both the wagon and Outback were available together. I'd say 19 times out of 20 the reason they choose the Outback.


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You don't have to drive a car fast to enjoy it.....

I probably had more fun in my JDM 58hp Justy during my 2 year ownership of it than I did in my 5 years total in my STIs and 7 years in my WRX. Once I got my off base license(which I had the stamp the entire time apparently) that little bugger took me EVERYWHERE I asked it to. Without issue. It was "fast" enough for those Japanese roads. Miss the Justy dearly.


I should hate Subaru for getting rid of it and not catering to me, eh?
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Old 01-22-2022, 10:53 AM   #4990
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I've driven my fair share of cars with automatic transmissions, I've never used, nor missed a mechanical parking brake in these vehicles.
I always use (mechanical) Ebrake on my CVT in my subaru. Don't want pressure on the gear/belt.

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since I only ever use the parking brake to ensure the cars stays immobile when parked, I wouldn't really care if the mechanical arm was replaced with an automated button.

living and driving in Houston I don't get much opportunity/need to take hill starts seriously enough to want to use the handbrake to help, and when I did live in a place with wintry weather, engine braking was more than adequate to meet the gentle stopping requirements. I've been driving for 30 years, and probably a conservative estimate of over half a million miles, I've never had the hydraulic brakes fail me creating the need to use the parking brake as an emergency brake.
In snow, FWD with ebrake helps turn better when driving and trying to keep momentum. AWD with ebrake also helps turn better when driving and trying to keep momentum, *when more right foot isn't the right solution*.

There are times when the judicial and calculated use of an ebrake helps the car turn, when you really need the back end of the car to pivot a little better. More right foot isn't he answer because the front wheels under throttle will pull the car and try to straighten it out, when you really want/need to turn. Maybe to get around a post, or a car, or the car just is understeering.

There are uses for the lever. Electronic ebrakes? No such luck. Can't modulate the amount of force applied. I not only grew up knowing how to use one, I was taught how and when to and when no to.

FWD? is honestly the most fun, foot to the floor, initiate turn-in, pull and release. Nice 4 wheel drift when done right.
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If there's no market for station wagons in the US, then why are all the best sellers basically lifted station wagons?
Because they are technically classified, and meet the minimum requirements for, an SUV, to get around emissions and CAFE (is that still a thing) standards. A wagon shifts the allocation/govt regulation the wrong way than subaru is set up to handle, or wants to pay for.
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Because they are technically classified, and meet the minimum requirements for, an SUV, to get around emissions and CAFE (is that still a thing) standards. A wagon shifts the allocation/govt regulation the wrong way than subaru is set up to handle, or wants to pay for.
On what planet do companies not sell what there is demand for when there is profit to be had? They are trying to make money. Subaru was one of the last to get rid of mainstream wagons and they were axed because they were lot rot.

When BMW went on its product blitz to make every variety of BMW they could, they introduced more coupe, gran coupe, GT, and sedan 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 cars than they added SUVs. They didn't add one. single. wagon. Not one. Why? Because wagons are dead from a consumer stand point. Not because of regulation.

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Funny you mention that. I'd buy an M340i xdrive wagon for $60k over anything else in BMW's lineup +/- $20k.

I would spend the extra $300/mo for that car over an Outback XT. Nothing in Subaru's or BMW's lineup appeals to me at really any price point. I'd buy that BMW over a Levorg too if they were both sold here. So much want that BMW.
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Funny you mention that. I'd buy an M340i xdrive wagon for $60k over anything else in BMW's lineup +/- $20k.

I would spend the extra $300/mo for that car over an Outback XT. Nothing in Subaru's or BMW's lineup appeals to me at really any price point. I'd buy that BMW over a Levorg too if they were both sold here. So much want that BMW.

I enjoyed the electrical powertrain technology they have which eliminated turbo lag. I was surprised.

Ultimately I was shopping it with the IS500, and decided on that. I still have my deposit down on it.
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Old 01-22-2022, 05:42 PM   #4995
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First rule of new Subaru ownership: Replace the stock stereo.

Unless it has the Harmon Kardon system, which I actually quite like. But my previous Subies didn't have that option, so I always upgraded to Infinity components and occasionally upgraded the head unit too.
Yup, the sound system in my WRX is atrocious. It would sound bad even for a car from the 90s or 2000s. From what I've read online, the stock headunits that Subaru uses are severely underpowered and upgrading that alone (leaving speakers stock) will result in a huge improvement. Otherwise if you replace the speakers and leave the headunit alone, you'd need to also get an amp.
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I've had 2 cars with power e brake now. Both Vettes. One thing that as a community we don't like the idea of is if power fails there is no way to put the car in neutral: auto or manual. With the manual owners you don't have to worry about the transmission needing power but if you have a power e brake you're still screwed. That's why there is still a push for more analog cars like the BRZ that has a manual and manual e brake. Power e brakes sound like a good idea until you lost power and can't move your car very easy
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I cannot stand the e-brake. No idea why many manufactures switched to it. I am so glad WRX kept the hand brake. I absolutely hate it on my GLI. As trivial as this is, I think MK7 GTI is a better car than the MK8 because of this.
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:38 PM   #4998
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I've had 2 cars with power e brake now. Both Vettes. One thing that as a community we don't like the idea of is if power fails there is no way to put the car in neutral: auto or manual. With the manual owners you don't have to worry about the transmission needing power but if you have a power e brake you're still screwed. That's why there is still a push for more analog cars like the BRZ that has a manual and manual e brake. Power e brakes sound like a good idea until you lost power and can't move your car very easy
If you've lost power, when would you be trying to move it? When towing it? Someone else helping? Not saying it's good or bad, just that you keep a power pack(since they are soo small now) or jumpers and it's easy. The 2010-2014 Leg/Out at least had a tool to disengage. I'm guessing that was next to never used and that's why they got rid of it. Just need power. Don't have to start the car. At least for a Subaru. The only reason I like it, I guess, is how it works with the ACC.
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I've had 2 cars with power e brake now. Both Vettes. One thing that as a community we don't like the idea of is if power fails there is no way to put the car in neutral: auto or manual. With the manual owners you don't have to worry about the transmission needing power but if you have a power e brake you're still screwed. That's why there is still a push for more analog cars like the BRZ that has a manual and manual e brake. Power e brakes sound like a good idea until you lost power and can't move your car very easy
In my 1994 Legacy my alternator died while driving down from Big Bear in the San Bernardino Mountains. I lost power steering, power brakes luckily I was only doing about 45 mph and was able to slow the car down by pumping the brakes and pulling up the ebrake handle and pulling off in a parking lot. Not sure how that would have worked in a car with an electronic ebrake.
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Funny you mention that. I'd buy an M340i xdrive wagon for $60k over anything else in BMW's lineup +/- $20k.

I would spend the extra $300/mo for that car over an Outback XT. Nothing in Subaru's or BMW's lineup appeals to me at really any price point. I'd buy that BMW over a Levorg too if they were both sold here. So much want that BMW.


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