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Old 08-05-2022, 12:41 AM   #7426
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Old 08-05-2022, 12:53 AM   #7427
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Old 08-05-2022, 01:25 AM   #7428
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Old 08-05-2022, 03:39 AM   #7429
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Wouldn't be a problem for the Levorg.
I had nearly forgotten. Y U do dis?
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Old 08-05-2022, 10:07 AM   #7430
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Why is the GTI worse in Usability and Trunk/Cargo Capacity compared to the sedans?

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it's probably similar comparison as the Outback vs Forester. roughly the same size, but depending on your needs, you'll prefer one to the other.
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Old 08-05-2022, 10:18 AM   #7431
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it's probably similar comparison as the Outback vs Forester. roughly the same size, but depending on your needs, you'll prefer one to the other.
IIRC, Forester has less passenger volume, but increased cargo volume. Outback is opposite with increased passenger volume, but decreased cargo volume.

Ascent has increase of BOTH!
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Old 08-05-2022, 01:19 PM   #7432
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Why is the GTI worse in Usability and Trunk/Cargo Capacity compared to the sedans?

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because you need to fold the rear seat to have room for anything more than 3 grocery bags.
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Old 08-05-2022, 02:39 PM   #7433
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Damn, the SPT gets absolutely walked by a DSG GTI, yikes:
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Old 08-05-2022, 03:06 PM   #7434
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because you need to fold the rear seat to have room for anything more than 3 grocery bags.
I always forget about the hesitance to fold down the rear seats. I get it. Stacking groceries isn't as plausible as laying them around the trunk, especially with a car full of people, and the hatchback is typically shorter than a wagon variant by about 6".

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Old 08-05-2022, 03:26 PM   #7435
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Damn, the SPT gets absolutely walked by a DSG GTI, yikes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmEWSQtwhhs
WRX always sucks from a 0 RPM launch. WRX 6MT with a proper high RPM launch beat the Elantra N on a straight away in the Drag-U video. SPT should be quicker.

Not saying the SPT's existence in general doesn't suck.


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Old 08-05-2022, 03:39 PM   #7436
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I always forget about the hesitance to fold down the rear seats. I get it. Stacking groceries isn't as plausible as laying them around the trunk, especially with a car full of people, and the hatchback is typically shorter than a wagon variant by about 6".

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for a single guy with no kids that's fine, but say you have 2 small kids, a diaper bag and a stroller you want to take somewhere. you are screwed in a gti, wrx will work fine.
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Old 08-05-2022, 04:22 PM   #7437
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WRX always sucks from a 0 RPM launch. WRX 6MT with a proper high RPM launch beat the Elantra N on a straight away in the Drag-U video. SPT should be quicker.

Not saying the SPT's existence in general doesn't suck.
Yeap, I saw that. The 6 speed does great but it seems the SPT is a dog.
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Old 08-05-2022, 05:36 PM   #7438
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for a single guy with no kids that's fine, but say you have 2 small kids, a diaper bag and a stroller you want to take somewhere. you are screwed in a gti, wrx will work fine.
Family guy with two kids, owned an R, and I will say that you're wrong.

It also wasn't our only car, but the R did just fine for 90% of our drives. Fit our decent sized stroller no problem. Kid carrying backpack, etc.
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Old 08-05-2022, 05:39 PM   #7439
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Family guy with two kids, owned an R, and I will say that you're wrong.

It also wasn't our only car, but the R did just fine for 90% of our drives.
I am in the same boat, had multiple generations of the GTI and Jetta...I always found the Jetta to be a lot more practical. The hatch in the Golf is comically small without folding down the seats.
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Family guy with two kids, owned an R, and I will say that you're wrong.

It also wasn't our only car, but the R did just fine for 90% of our drives. Fit our decent sized stroller no problem. Kid carrying backpack, etc.
Itís a strange thing to read either way. On one hand, you taking the kid in the baby seat on your gravel stage with diapers in the back and stroller? There are such better ďfamilyĒ vehicles. I think you have it figured out. One is SUV/CUV/Minivan type vehicle that can do it all, road trip, family all aboard, then daddyís car can do 75% of the same for local.

If everything has to be everything for everybody, everything will be CUV/SUV/Truck and nothing else will get made. I wish enthusiasts would leave the enthusiast cars to be just that. ďSomeĒ utility but for the love of all things Holy donít try to make it into a do everything vehicle because that compromises it being a drivers car. I mean if being realists you donít need a WRX for family anything. You can buy an Impreza and accomplish all the same stuff. Save the price delta for a 2nd vehicle, a drivers car like a base 86 or something. A socket wrench with sockets works much better than a crescent wrench.

Iím surprised at this point many of the CUVís donít come with a mfr optioned trailer to haul everyoneís **** around.
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Old 08-05-2022, 05:48 PM   #7441
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Family guy with two kids, owned an R, and I will say that you're wrong.

It also wasn't our only car, but the R did just fine for 90% of our drives. Fit our decent sized stroller no problem. Kid carrying backpack, etc.
without folding the seats, what can you fit in the cargo area of a golf that you can't fit in a wrx trunk?
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Old 08-05-2022, 11:39 PM   #7442
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Old 08-05-2022, 11:40 PM   #7443
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so bad I had to post it twice!
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Old 08-06-2022, 12:47 AM   #7444
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WRX looks okay in red.

New WRX is a dog in general. Difference is with an automatic sams poor driving isnít exposed
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Old 08-06-2022, 08:09 AM   #7445
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WRX looks okay in red.

New WRX is a dog in general. Difference is with an automatic sams poor driving isnít exposed
It is sad when the current Legacy xt is able to launch off the line faster than the wrx SPT. The engine has no torque for launching with an automatic. It clearly says leave the auto and get the manual for better performance. If the torque was the same 277ft as the Legacy xt, the driving difference is two-fold. But then obviously the fuel economy takes the hit.
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:06 AM   #7446
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It is sad when the current Legacy xt is able to launch off the line faster than the wrx SPT. The engine has no torque for launching with an automatic. It clearly says leave the auto and get the manual for better performance. If the torque was the same 277ft as the Legacy xt, the driving difference is two-fold. But then obviously the fuel economy takes the hit.
The improvements they did to the SPT were to allow it to be played with without overheating like the HTCVT. Not saying it won't overheat; but, if it does, your doing something. Like seriously something.

People keep forgetting these are not 0-60 drag race cars.


And no, that's not saying it would beat either of those cars around a track. I'd wager it would beat a LXT you're wanting the power from, however.
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LXT isn't going to be driven the same as a WRX, so the HTCVT in the LXT can handle the torque supplied. The WRX SPT is expected to be driven harder more frequently, so the lower torque is adequate enough to serve its purpose while also protecting the transmission.
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:31 AM   #7448
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without folding the seats, what can you fit in the cargo area of a golf that you can't fit in a wrx trunk?
I don't know, I don't own a wrx. I do remember watching a guy have to fold down the rear seats in a wrx to put a cooler into the trunk because it wouldn't fit in the trunk opening. Looked identical to my cooler that fit in my R trunk with the seats up.

But that's not the point. I didn't need it to haul anything with the seats up. It was either the whole family and things for a day trip, or just me and seats down with tons of room. My golf could take the whole family to the grocery store for a full week trip with no issues. Anything more and we have a 3 row SUV.
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LXT isn't going to be driven the same as a WRX, so the HTCVT in the LXT can handle the torque supplied. The WRX SPT is expected to be driven harder more frequently, so the lower torque is adequate enough to serve its purpose while also protecting the transmission.


It's not the CVT. It's the manual trans that needed a lower torque output. Clutch drop bombs not applicable to the CVT.
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Old 08-06-2022, 01:50 PM   #7450
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It's not the CVT. It's the manual trans that needed a lower torque output. Clutch drop bombs not applicable to the CVT.
yeah, unfortunately if the cvt kept the 277fts of torque together with the increased power of 271hp, enough launches would cause cvt belt slippage
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