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Old 12-20-2004, 08:10 PM   #1
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So I went to J&R in Manchester and got a custom 3" exhaust made (sound clips to come when the snow dries up outside) I reset my ECU and after about 2 weeks I amseeing my car hit full boost at just below 2400 rpm. I cant remember what it was before but what are you guys seeing with the stock turbo and a high flow filter ?. When do you all get full boost because I am loving having it at 2400 rpm and I want to do an up-pipe maybe I can get it down to 2000 rpm.


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Old 12-20-2004, 08:26 PM   #2
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get some logs of it and then post, just eye balling your boost gauge isn't an accurate way to tell when you are hitting full boost.

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Old 12-20-2004, 08:33 PM   #3
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your full boost being???
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Old 12-20-2004, 08:43 PM   #4
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Ahh, the beauty of the TD04....
I agree with dan avo. Eyeballing it isnt accurate...but probably close.


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Old 12-20-2004, 08:46 PM   #5
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using boost guage I got 14.1 psi at 2400 rpm. Yes I am definitely eyeballing I dont have em so I cant take logs on it.
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Old 12-20-2004, 09:32 PM   #6
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strap a video camera into the car, point it at the dashboard, take a clip.
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Old 12-21-2004, 12:05 AM   #7
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yay i have 100 ft lbs of torque at redline, im so exited. thats awesome dude good job.
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Old 12-21-2004, 09:17 AM   #8
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When my car was near stock, in 5th up a mild hill I could easily hit 14+ at 2500 rpm. It all depends on the conditions.
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Old 12-21-2004, 09:25 AM   #9
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yay i have 100 ft lbs of torque at redline, im so exited. thats awesome dude good job.
This is really helpful. Don't disrespect people just because they aren't at the same stage in upgrading.
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Old 12-21-2004, 09:50 AM   #10
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yay i have 100 ft lbs of torque at redline, im so exited. thats awesome dude good job.
Although thats a jerkish thing to say


I 100% agree

WOW so you hit full boost at 2400rpm. You have nothing left past 5000rpm. I have a buddy with a vf34 that keeps giving me crap about the laggieness of my 22 (lol 14psi by 3k is SO laggy) But for all his ball busting, my car walks his HARD.

That said, that has to feel awesome for day to day driving.
I still wanna see a log as I am semi calling BS on this. No way are you hitting 14.1 by 2400 without an up pipe. I dont care what your eyeball is telling you.
Although I guess anything is possible. What gear is this in? If this is legit, that's pretty sick.

I am not calling you a liar, I am saying your eyeball is off by a good 300rpm, which is easy to do.
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Old 12-21-2004, 11:35 AM   #11
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yay i have 100 ft lbs of torque at redline, im so exited. thats awesome dude good job.
How about you try answering my question or lend a useful comment rather than being an ass. If you dont have something to say that will help me or inform me as a newbie keep your mouth shut.
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Old 12-21-2004, 11:39 AM   #12
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yay i have 100 ft lbs of torque at redline, im so exited. thats awesome dude good job.

This is exactly the sort of crap we don't need around here.

The guy's happy with his exhaust setup, why do jackasses like this feel the need to criticize the parts he hasn't gotten around to upgrading yet?
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Old 12-21-2004, 11:41 AM   #13
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Although thats a jerkish thing to say


I 100% agree

WOW so you hit full boost at 2400rpm. You have nothing left past 5000rpm. I have a buddy with a vf34 that keeps giving me crap about the laggieness of my 22 (lol 14psi by 3k is SO laggy) But for all his ball busting, my car walks his HARD.

That said, that has to feel awesome for day to day driving.
I still wanna see a log as I am semi calling BS on this. No way are you hitting 14.1 by 2400 without an up pipe. I dont care what your eyeball is telling you.
Although I guess anything is possible. What gear is this in? If this is legit, that's pretty sick.

I am not calling you a liar, I am saying your eyeball is off by a good 300rpm, which is easy to do.
Davenow we are in the same general area, wana go for a ride in my car. I am going to try and get a clip of it with my digital camera ( has an AVI feature) hopefully I can figure out a way to drive on the highway(4th or 5th gear) with a camera on and not kill myself. Let me know if you want to go for a ride maybe we can meet some place and you can give me your opinion on the car I am in Manchester , CT and usually am around MA pretty often. I am also going to be in Fitchburgh MA on 12/23/04 anmd 12/24/04 maybe we can meet up. Send me a PM and I will give you my cell phone number so you can call me and make arrangements.
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Old 12-21-2004, 11:47 AM   #14
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WOW so you hit full boost at 2400rpm. You have nothing left past 5000rpm. I have a buddy with a vf34 that keeps giving me crap about the laggieness of my 22 (lol 14psi by 3k is SO laggy) But for all his ball busting, my car walks his HARD.
That my be true, but walking another car HARD is not everyones priority with their cars. I (like many other people) would prefer a much more well rounded car that isnt the fastest car on the block. Although I dont plan on sticking with the TD04 (thinkin 16G or VF35) - alot of people enjoy fast spooling low end turbos to tranny crunching high hp monsters. To each his own. Your buddy probally loves his 34 and I know you love your 22

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Old 12-21-2004, 12:20 PM   #15
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That my be true, but walking another car HARD is not everyones priority with their cars. I (like many other people) would prefer a much more well rounded car that isnt the fastest car on the block. Although I dont plan on sticking with the TD04 (thinkin 16G or VF35) - alot of people enjoy fast spooling low end turbos to tranny crunching high hp monsters. To each his own. Your buddy probally loves his 34 and I know you love your 22

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I agree with Jon. I would realy rather a turbo that could spool up at 1500 RPM and boost to only 13.5 psi holding boost to about 6000 rpm rather than a big HP demon. For the way I drive my car (daily driver might autox next year) I would rather lowend boost with more troque than highend boost and insane tranny melting HP.
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Old 12-21-2004, 01:34 PM   #16
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I love the stock turbo for a daily driver, and if you can make it pull down low more power to ya! I have a 20g on my car and it's sick sick sick, but it's not my daily driver. My brothers stage 2 WRX is a beast and pulls great from 2500 on. On the steep hills in Pittsburgh, it's much less painful. Just ignore the negative comments - this isn't the proven power bragging forum afterall and some of the bigger-faster turbo freaks are obsessed with blowing hot air anyway.
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my apologies to all, it was an uncalled for sarcastic comment. true though... i never meant to slam anyone for having a less upgraded car that me of not lots of horsepower, or being a newbie, I just dont have the same view, as wanting low end power, because im one of those cray drag racing types.

to each his own, I get bashed all the time for liking autos and dragracing.
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1298	0.2	2.1	75	10	0	  W/B 	13.1	6.9	37	-1.9	73	2	15.24
1261	0.8	2.1	101	10	0	  W/B 	13.1	14.6	37	-1.9	91.6	2	14.83
1319	1.2	2.2	101	10	0	  W/B 	14.6	8.1	37	-1.9	100	2	14.37
1295	1.4	2.1	100	10	0	  W/B 	13.5	7.6	37	-1.9	100	2	14
1315	1.6	2.2	101	10	0	  W/B 	15	8.2	37	-1.9	100	2	13.75
1320	1.6	2.2	100	10	0	  W/B 	13.9	7.6	37	-2	100	2	13.78
1320	1.9	2.2	101	10	0	  W/B 	14.4	8	37	-1.9	100	2	13.84
1304	1.9	2.2	100	10	0	  W/B 	15.1	7.7	37	-1.9	100	2	13.92
1355	2.1	2.2	100	10	0	  W/B 	15.4	8.3	37	-1.9	100	2	13.92
1362	2.3	2.2	100	10	0	  W/B 	13.2	8.4	37	-1.9	100	2	13.95
1361	2.3	2.3	101	10	0	  W/B 	13.3	8	37	-1.9	100	2	13.92
1374	2.5	2.3	101	10	0	  W/B 	13.2	8.1	37	-2	100	2.1	13.87
1388	2.5	2.3	101	10	0	  W/B 	20.5	8.6	37	-2	100	2.1	13.92
1403	2.5	2.2	101	10	0	  W/B 	20.6	8.5	37	-2	100	2.1	13.95
1402	2.5	2.3	101	10	0	  W/B 	20.6	8.9	37	-1.9	100	2	14.08
1331	2.5	2.2	100	20	0	  W/B 	19.9	8.9	37	-2	100	2	14.15
1419	2.7	2.2	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.9	8.8	37	-2	100	2.1	14.08
1437	2.9	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	21	8.9	37	-1.9	100	2.1	14.08
1367	2.9	2.3	100	20	0	  W/B 	20.4	8.9	37	-2	100	2.1	14.08
1458	3.1	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.1	9.9	37	-2	100	2.1	14.08
1477	3.1	2.3	100	20	0	  W/B 	20.6	9.1	37	-2	100	2.1	14.15
1473	3.1	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.6	10.2	37	-2	100	2.1	14.08
1503	3.1	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.1	9.3	37	-2.2	100	2.1	13.97
1420	3.1	2.3	100	20	0	  W/B 	19.7	10.1	37	-2.1	100	2.1	14.05
1433	3.1	2.4	100	20	0	  W/B 	20.2	9.2	37	-2.1	100	2.1	14
1523	3.1	2.3	100	20	0	  W/B 	20	10.1	36.9	-2.1	100	2.1	13.95
1536	3.3	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.2	10.3	36.9	-2.1	100	2.1	13.92
1484	3.5	2.4	100	20	0	  W/B 	20.4	10.3	36.8	-2.1	100	2.2	13.87
1490	3.5	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.5	10.7	36.8	-2.1	100	2.2	13.92
1564	3.5	2.3	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.8	10.3	36.7	-2.1	100	2.2	13.84
1573	3.5	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	20.8	10.5	36.8	-2.1	100	2.2	13.78
1605	3.7	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.5	10.4	36.7	-2.1	100	2.2	13.81
1603	3.7	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.4	10.5	36.6	-2.1	100	2.2	13.78
1548	3.9	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.9	10.6	36.6	-2.1	100	2.2	13.78
1633	3.9	2.4	101	20	0	  W/B 	22.1	11.8	36.5	-2.1	100	2.2	13.72
1601	4.1	2.4	100	20	0	  W/B 	22.9	11.8	36.5	-2.2	100	2.3	13.65
1595	4.1	2.5	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.8	11.9	36.4	-2.2	100	2.3	13.65
1661	4.3	2.5	101	20	0	  W/B 	21.8	11.8	36.4	-2.2	100	2.2	13.65
1679	4.3	2.5	101	20	0	  W/B 	22.1	11.9	36.3	-2.2	100	2.2	13.62
1676	4.3	2.5	101	20	0	  W/B 	22.5	11.7	36.3	-2.2	100	2.2	13.47
1703	4.5	2.5	101	30	0	  W/B 	23.3	13.1	36.3	-1.6	100	2.3	13.23
1709	4.7	2.5	100	30	0	  W/B 	22.8	11.9	36.2	-1.6	100	2.3	13.12
1690	4.7	2.5	100	30	0	  W/B 	22.6	12.7	36.2	-1.6	100	2.3	13.03
1738	4.9	2.5	101	30	0	  W/B 	22.4	13.1	36.1	-1.6	100	2.3	12.89
1741	5.1	2.5	100	30	0	  W/B 	23.4	14.2	36.1	-1.6	100	2.3	12.78
1769	5.1	2.5	101	30	0	  W/B 	23.1	12.9	36	-1.6	100	2.3	12.74
1726	5.3	2.6	100	30	0	  W/B 	23.4	13.3	36	-1.6	100	2.4	12.78
1785	5.3	2.6	101	30	0	  W/B 	23.1	13.8	35.4	-1.6	100	2.3	12.78
1812	5.5	2.5	101	30	0	  W/B 	22.8	13.2	35.4	-1.6	100	2.3	12.78
1817	5.5	2.6	100	30	0	  W/B 	22.8	14	34.8	-1.6	100	2.4	12.83
1826	5.7	2.6	101	30	0	  W/B 	25.9	14.8	32.2	-1.6	100	2.4	12.93
1857	5.9	2.6	101	30	0	  W/B 	26	14.7	30.2	-1.6	100	2.4	12.99
1865	6.1	2.6	101	30	0	  W/B 	25.6	14.9	29.6	-1.6	100	2.4	13.06
1880	6.3	2.6	101	30	0	  W/B 	25.3	15.3	29.6	-1.6	100	2.4	13.14
1862	6.5	2.7	101	40	0	  W/B 	25.3	16.2	29	-0.9	100	2.5	13.17
1910	6.7	2.6	101	40	0	  W/B 	24.5	16.1	28.4	-0.8	100	2.5	13.12
1917	7	2.7	100	40	0	  W/B 	24.1	17.1	27.8	-0.9	100	2.5	13.02
1883	7.2	2.7	101	40	0	  W/B 	24.3	17.3	27.2	-0.7	100	2.5	12.89
1966	7.4	2.7	101	40	0	  W/B 	23	17.3	27.2	-0.7	100	2.6	12.83
1970	7.8	2.7	101	40	0	  W/B 	22	16.9	27.2	-0.7	100	2.6	12.78
1994	8.2	2.7	101	40	0	  W/B 	21.6	18.7	26.6	-0.8	100	2.6	12.61
2010	8.4	2.7	100	40	0	  W/B 	20.2	17.3	24.6	-0.1	100	2.6	12.49
1968	8.6	2.8	100	50	0	  W/B 	20.6	17.4	24.6	-0.1	100	2.6	12.56
2042	9	2.8	101	50	0	  W/B 	19.9	17.6	24.6	0	100	2.7	12.93
1998	9.2	2.8	101	50	0	  W/B 	19.3	18.6	24.2	0	100	2.7	13.39
2082	9.4	2.9	100	50	0	  W/B 	18.7	18.3	24.8	0	100	2.7	13.47
2095	9.8	2.9	100	50	0	  W/B 	18.3	19.9	27.4	0	100	2.7	13.36
2104	10.2	2.9	99	60	0	  W/B 	17.2	20.3	27	-0.1	94	2.7	13.28
2116	10.6	3	94	60	0	  W/B 	16.4	21.2	26	0	94	2.8	13.28
2181	11.2	3	94	60	0	  W/B 	15.4	22.1	26	0	94	2.8	13.28
2182	11.8	3	91	60	0	  W/B 	14.7	22.3	25	0.1	94	2.9	13.23
2160	12.3	3	90	70	0	  W/B 	14.4	22.9	23.8	0.4	94	2.9	13.33
2258	13.1	3.1	89	70	0	  W/B 	14.1	24.3	23.4	0.8	93.4	3	13.47
2259	13.9	3.1	88	70	0	  W/B 	13.3	24.9	21.6	0.7	93.4	3	13.39
2289	14.7	3.2	79	80	0	  W/B 	12.3	26	21.6	0.7	87.2	3	13.28
2324	15.5	3.3	64	0	0	  W/B 	12.1	29.8	ECU. 	-1.7	75.8	3	13.17
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Actually... it's the other way around... low end torque kills gears, not high RPM horsepower.

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From my Transmission FAQ:

What causes a gear set to fail? Shock load. Shock load is the term used to describe any amount of drive line shock, though usually associated with extreme acceleration or traditional drag strip launches. While many manufacturers say that their gear set can withstand XXX HP or TQ, this is merely a general indication of its strength. Any gear set is subject to failure and the key component of that failure is the number of times a shock load occurs within that gear set.

While the exact number of shock loads before failure depends on the power and type of shock load, this is what most professional racings teams do to avoid transmission failure: Carefully document and run a new transmission to failure. This can be XXX uses, hours, or other means of accountability. Once failure occurs, subtract 10% from the accountability figure and use this figure as the replacement cycle. Obviously, this figure may then be modified or scheduled maintenance and inspections may occur periodically prior to the replacement cycle. Once a schedule is set, replacement occurs prior to failure. Many professional race teams report wonderful results using this methodology.
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Old 12-22-2004, 07:56 AM   #22
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Davenow we are in the same general area, wana go for a ride in my car. I am going to try and get a clip of it with my digital camera ( has an AVI feature) hopefully I can figure out a way to drive on the highway(4th or 5th gear) with a camera on and not kill myself. Let me know if you want to go for a ride maybe we can meet some place and you can give me your opinion on the car I am in Manchester , CT and usually am around MA pretty often. I am also going to be in Fitchburgh MA on 12/23/04 anmd 12/24/04 maybe we can meet up. Send me a PM and I will give you my cell phone number so you can call me and make arrangements.
Fitchburg its teh far for me to drive on 3 1/2 cyls I am trying to drive it as little as possible.
I did the camera thing, just get it ready on a semi empty stretch, at 2k hit record and floor it. Its not that tough, maybe a little hairy
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looking at Rides logs, I stand corrected, Its unbelieveable.
Thats sick spool.
Now find a way to make that snail carry power past 5k and you will have the key to the universe
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Nice, just plain nice ... Now that's posting the data if I ever saw it ... Nothing like a little black and white to set things right ... That is as long as the balck and white doesn't have any flashing blue with it ...
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Old 12-22-2004, 09:38 AM   #25
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all so true... hey jorge, how that 4eat holding up?
Actually very well, I think I may have a weather pack connection that is letting some moisture in, cause from time to time I throw the weirdest TCM codes that are all resistance based. I'll have my tech ohm everything back, clean the weather packs, and bless it for next season. But beyond the funkyness that causes from time to time, she's holding up .

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