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Old 06-15-2002, 10:50 PM   #1
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Default 00+ BE/BH Spring/Strut Differences

Ok,

I did some research from Legacy Forum Archives and still did not find a definite answer about lowering the sedans and the wagons.

Lets talk about this in this thread and try to figure this all out. I will be able to get parts to try out.

There seems to be a difference between the USDM BE's and JDM BE's, right?

What about the wagons?

What about BE vs. BH struts/springs/top mounts?

-Alex (2" too long, erm... I mean tall. )
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Old 06-18-2002, 11:14 AM   #2
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Imprezer - basically the JDM spec BE/BH's may use the Bistein struts, which have different seats, hence making the overall length of the spring either longer or shorter than the USDM version. Your best bet is to go with a coil-over at the moment, as this will replace the whole assembly
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Old 06-18-2002, 08:13 PM   #3
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I'm pretty sure there is a difference between the sedan and wagon. And definitely a difference between all USDM and JDM Legacys. I had a set of H&R springs ordered for my car. I received them and they were the right part number and right spring as stated for my application, however they did not fit. The rear spring perch was of a different size than the spring I received. The multi link in the rear is the problem and difference. I have a set of Whitelines on the way, so hopefully those fit. If they do not fit I will have to start looking at coil-overs. I know that TEIN makes an apllication that fits as a Wagon has a set in Vancouver. I'm just not sure which application it is.
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Old 06-19-2002, 04:25 AM   #4
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USDM is 50mm wider than JDM. It's quite a lot. That's why USDM looks a little different.
I tried to find out where is elongated but I couldn't get the answer, maybe the grill, maybe the headlightsm maybe the fenders.

Probably the width difference is the reason why JDM struts are different.

USDM LxWxH =
184.4in(4683mm) x 68.7in (1745mm) x 55.7in(1415mm)

JDM LxWxH =
4605mm x 1695mm x 1410mm

The difference between wagon and sedan...
JDM looks like having the same mounts. I looked several coilovers but usually BE and BH are the same numbers.
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Old 06-19-2002, 03:38 PM   #5
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ok... From personal experience i can tell you that these springs currently DO NOT WORK ON THE SEDAN.

H&R of any kind... do not listen to a sales person if they tell you wagon springs will fit THEY ABSOLUTELY DO NOT!!!!

Whiteline-Says they are coming out with them but not till after august sometime. I just sent mine back.

Eibach does not even make a kit so dont wast your time.

Just to exhaust all options, i ordered the sti springs today should arrive in 3 weeks.. ill post an update then.

The problem is all in the spring perch. JDM uses a different strut set up.... I have been told that this setup can be matched by getting the STI struts... very spendy though.... More food for thought

It costs me 400$ to get a set of springs custom coiled... Perhaps less if more people want them, all i need is a set of springs off a legacy then it is as good as done.. these springs will be guarenteed to fit as they use the same measurements form the stock... just coiled tighter to give the drop. if interested pm or email me

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Old 06-21-2002, 01:44 PM   #6
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US version has larger diameter front spring than JDM. I tried 3 sets of spring, Tein midium, Tein soft, Kg/mm DR sports, all of them will not match with US top mount.

I was "brave enough" to use the spring anyway, and so far I have no problem yet. *knock on the wood*

If you call H&R, they will tell you the spring is only good for the wagon and not for sedan.
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Old 06-26-2002, 02:11 PM   #7
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I ordered them for my Wagon and they did not fit. H&R said they would fit but they also include a clause in the box which states that the may not fit all applications despite it saying so in the catalog. I received the springs and attempted to install but the rear spring perches DID NOT match.
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Old 06-30-2002, 01:38 PM   #8
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I had my suspension completely apart this weekend and found a potential "cure" for us. I was installing Whiteline springs. The rears fit no problem but the fronts did not. So, I tried using the perch (upper) and top mount off a GC8 and it fit perfectly.
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Old 07-02-2002, 03:43 PM   #9
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Tora

Sounds like an interesting alternative. Can you post pictures please.

Also, has anyone tried the KYB AGX (for the RS) in the front of our BE Series sedans?

Thanks
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Old 07-02-2002, 06:48 PM   #10
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JoeT - IIRC the front strut P/N's are same as the BD/BG, hence following that logic you should be able to use the AGX's in the front. However, being that the AGX's were originally intended on a lighter car, it may wear faster than normally.
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Old 07-04-2002, 10:18 PM   #11
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so exactly which coilovers fit for the BE sedans, besides DMS, which i have heard has a set for our 2000+ sedans, buddyclub was supposed to come out with some in japan but i have given up on them, i have heard tein has some but do not know exactly which ones fit and i am sick of trusting salesmen. please let me know what you guys have found. thanks
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Old 07-09-2002, 07:19 PM   #12
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has anyone tried cobb tuning??? they have a set listed... wish I had time to call them
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Old 07-11-2002, 01:42 AM   #13
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Just sent Cobb an email today, hopefully will hear something tomorrow. (I'll call as well, if not busy)

If the JDM struts are different from our BE's, would not the STi struts also be different? How much are we talking for the STi strut/spring combos anyway?
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Old 07-11-2002, 03:10 PM   #14
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OK, I just called Cobb Tuning, (forgive me, I forgot whom I spoke with) and talked with them about the suspension componets for our BE Legacy's, and here is what I have found out:

The springs they have listed are made to/and do fit with the stock struts for the 2000 Legacy's.

The 2000 struts they have listed they are still working on, and as of yet don't have a date of when they'd be available.

As for the STi (or JDM for that matter ) struts/springs go, the rear sets match up fine JDM to USDM, according to them. The front ones however DO NOT, they would need to be mounted to upper strut mounts from a JDM B4 (STi mounts might work as well I assume, JDM thing, you know).

That's all I got at the moment, hope that was somewhat helpful.

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Old 03-14-2004, 01:32 AM   #15
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Default kyb struts on the back?

I got a 98 legacy gt i but in coil-overs and dropped 3.5" looks great corners awsome and rides like a pogo stick.
i would love to upgrade to the kyb agx, i would like to know for sure will the fronts and back work? Or will the fronts not fit at all i lothe to order them just to find they don't fit.

also camber, i bought camber kit for my car to make the proper adjustment and found the stock bolts are 19 mm and the camber kit supossedly for subarus is 14 mm is it me or is that a slight mistake or do they only fit the imrezzas ore the older subarus?

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Old 03-14-2004, 01:36 AM   #16
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You dropped your car 3.5" and you say it handles great? That's a little hard to believe.

Anyways, to answer your question your model of legacy will fit the AGX's no problem but if you are dropped 3.5" you will ruin your shocks quite quickly. By going that low you are completely changing the dynamics of your handling and although your center of gravity is lower and you are running stiffer suspension I would bet that if you were to run an auto-x against the same car but with stock springs and AGX shocks it would handle better than yours.

I wouldn't go below 1.5" if you want to maintain good handling and have good looks. (For just handling I wouldn't drop more than an inch.)
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are spindles the same leggy wrx sti?
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:15 PM   #18
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by spindles,I mean whole steering knuckle thanks
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and which has 2-pot vs 4-pot?
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:48 PM   #20
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no they are not.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:01 PM   #21
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i have a 2000 legacy outback. i got the gt pro set from ksport. they are sick. the alignment is fine for now, but a rear adjustable trailing link would get the rear camber spot on- it is off like 1.5 degrees or so. i also needed a new bushing in the rear b.c it was seized. other than that it works fine and will fit the legacys and outbacks.
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Old 02-20-2009, 05:38 AM   #22
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i think u should buy adjustable suspensions aka. coilover rather than separate sturts and springs setup.

well, i did springs (H&R) and strut (KYB) setup for a long time and i regret it. i mean, i wish that i use coilover setup from the beginning. better handling and much longer life span.

In addition, i recommend u to buy from Japanese company (HKS, Tein, Silkroad, Syms, Zeal, Aragosta, etc) because they barely have problem, straight bolt on no modification needed. it is expensive (around $1000 - up to $4000) but trust me it is WORTH it. u got what u pay for.

check this out:
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Old 02-20-2009, 10:47 AM   #23
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I suggest you read the suspension forums before you make wide sweeping statements like that.

Sure if all you want is to slam your car and *look* fast, but any strut/spring setup with a little thought put into it will out perform any coilover below $1500.

And you have to know what the hell youre adjusting to make the adjustability matter. Otherwise youre going to be doing more harm than good.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:21 PM   #24
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coilovers made by silkroad, are they alot better than tein or jic ? i was considering going for the tein flex coilovers, but the more info i found, i was disappointed by their quality. i'm now contemplating going to the bilstein struts, whiteline springs, and some kyb upper mounts, but have heard the jdm and usdm vehicles are different in the spring sizes / perches and sometimes difficult to match up correctly. any info would help, thanx.
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coilovers made by silkroad, are they alot better than tein or jic ? i was considering going for the tein flex coilovers, but the more info i found, i was disappointed by their quality. i'm now contemplating going to the bilstein struts, whiteline springs, and some kyb upper mounts, but have heard the jdm and usdm vehicles are different in the spring sizes / perches and sometimes difficult to match up correctly. any info would help, thanx.
Before you get a coilover, ask where you will get it rebuilt. Because they WILL need to be rebuilt, it's just part of their maintenance. Some coilovers need one every 40k, some less, but that's a cost you have to live with if you really want the adjustability (if you need it is another matter, but that's up to you).
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