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Old 12-09-2002, 10:48 PM   #1
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Angry Just how close my engine was to becoming like Brian's...

So today was a big day. My plans were to head over to the auto shop at the Naval Station, rip off my current bumper and put my freshly painted, awesome looking new age (for GC8's) bumper on with the Hella 500 fogs and all the other goodies.

So, I jack the car up, and get to work. Taking the bumper off was interesting to say the least, only to find out that hacking the existing bumper beam to be something that will not be possible. I tried a hacksaw, only to have 2 of them fall apart. And unfortunately, the guy with the air tools does not work on Mondays. Go figure.

So, I set out to get the tranny cooler installed. I got on the creeper and slid under the car to try and finalize which lines would have to go where. And here's where I noticed it.

"Hey, I don't think there should be that much oil down here. What tha, is that burnt oil on the exhaust?"
**wipes finger along cross member**
"Yup that's definitely oil."

What followed were an extremely long string of explatives that drew quite a lot of attention from the other 2 people in the bays.

So tomorrow... bright and early, the car goes into Annapolis Subaru to see what's wrong with it. I don't think it's a head gasket, as there wasn't any water in the gas, course, there was so little left that who knows. It might just be the oil pan. I'll find out more later.

Man, this is the last thing I needed before Christmas. There goes all sorts of Christmas present money. And now I'm definitely getting those 7 guages I set out for so this crap doesn't happen again.

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Old 12-09-2002, 11:00 PM   #2
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That sucks. Nothing like having to spend fun money to actually fix something.

BTW I'm not surprised about the bumper beam. When I was drilling into it is was extraordinarily difficult to drill into. 'Course it could have been a dull bit as well.

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Old 12-09-2002, 11:21 PM   #3
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AJ, I hope it's not a headgasket. If you have'nt had a problem with coolant or overheating, then chances are it is NOT a headgasket. If you do need help replacing one, just LMK...
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Old 12-09-2002, 11:29 PM   #4
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AJ, oil usually does not mean head-gasket.

Did you recently change the oil??
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Old 12-10-2002, 12:37 AM   #5
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AJ- I had my cam and crank seals replaced at 70k miles. It's a common problem. I also had a leaking valve cover gasket, which caused oil to drip on the headers every now and then. Get under the car and look to see where dried oily sludge is, and well and fresh oil. use a super high wattage lamp. Any on these are pretty simple to replace if you have the time, and the tools to do so (I know you have the tools)...

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Old 12-10-2002, 01:20 AM   #6
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I'll post pics as soon as I get them from the DigiCamera that I borrowed from the roomy. That, and I'm bringing it over tomorrow morning.

As for changing the oil, no, I was planning on doing it today until I found what I did. The dipstick had very little oil on it when I first pulled it. Granted, it was cold, and it took 1.5 quarts to get it back up to the full level. What that means, I'm not sure. I'm hoping and guessing it's just the oil pan, but I'm not sure. This really wasn't what I wanted at this point, but I guess Murphy knew my number.

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Old 12-10-2002, 02:38 AM   #7
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AJ- have you opened the hood vents and scoop? Have you ever seen smoke come out of the grille area after the car has been run hard? Chances are its a blown seal... Not that costly of a repair, and you could even do it yourself.
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Old 12-10-2002, 11:42 AM   #8
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It looks like it mainly happened on the trip back from the Navy/Army game this last weekend. And no, I never saw any smoke either. To me, that means it's a slow leak that has just happened over a long period of time or something.

And I'm letting Subaru fix the care for a couple of reasons. If I do it, and it breaks again, I blame myself for screwing up my engine. If they do it, and it breaks again, I can blame them and who knows what I can get out of that deal. I'll let the pros do it this time. I don't have the time to do it myself. 2 Finals, 1 take home, and my Nuclear Interview on Thursday are the majority of my time and energy now.

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Old 12-10-2002, 12:37 PM   #9
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my oil disappears too about a quart every 2000 miles no leaks or smoke intresting.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:46 PM   #10
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Well, just got back from Annapolis Subaru, where my car will sit until it's done. The verdict from the parts guy: crank seal leaking. What he said was exactly what's going on. It's leaking around the timing belt area, going down around the oil pan, which is covered, and then spraying back onto the headers due to highway speeds. Which is exactly what was happening during the drive back from northern NJ. So, I'll know more by the weekend, and know how much my Discover card is going to be hurting. At least I get cash back from them though.

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Old 12-10-2002, 02:52 PM   #11
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Hmmmm... I geuss I know my stuff then?

I paid $308 for a new timing belt, crank seal and cam seal. took them a day and a half(had to wait for parts)....

Now is a good time to replace your timing belt if you have'nt done so already. The timing belt change costs around $175, so you'd save money, and time, by doing it now.

Don't let the credit card machine eat your card

When your headgaskets blow, repair those yourself... $25 for the gasket, $1000 for subaru labor.... It can easily be done in a weekend.

Sorry to hear you need repairs, but be thankful its only a crank seal!
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:02 PM   #12
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I'm letting them do it, as I said, I don't have the time to worry about the car right now. I'll pay the extra it is for the labor.

And as for the head gaskets, when they decide to go, Cobb tuning is getting a call from me for some new cam shafts and heads.

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Old 12-10-2002, 03:07 PM   #13
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yes, I know subaru is doing the labor for you. which is why I suggested getting the new timing belt, because it would save you money down the road.
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Old 12-10-2002, 03:22 PM   #14
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Quote:
Originally posted by caged1
my oil disappears too about a quart every 2000 miles no leaks or smoke intresting.
Its normal to loose a quart of oil about every 3k miles, or something like that.
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Old 12-10-2002, 06:50 PM   #15
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Yes, I too loose oil over the normal oil change period. I think it's just natural burn off. However, this is hardly normal burn off.



Oh well, it's outta my hands now. Only the nice individuals at Annapolis Subaru can save me now. *Hoping they read this so they take gooooood care of her*

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Old 12-10-2002, 07:30 PM   #16
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Wow, looked like my under carriage when my seal went.
At my turbo install, I can still remember everyone asking me what the 1/8" covering of black sludge was... lol, you could draw a picture on the bottom of my oil pan

Burning a quart of oil every 3k miles happens to 99% of MY98 RS's.
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Old 12-10-2002, 08:23 PM   #17
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Are you dealing with Lisa? or the retard Jason as your service advisor?? If its Lisa please tell her Gil said hi.....
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Old 12-10-2002, 08:43 PM   #18
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It was a young guy, so I'm guessing it was the retard. If I see Lisa, I'll pass along the message. Should I be concerned?

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Old 12-10-2002, 09:40 PM   #19
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AJ,,sorry to hear,,,If it's any consolation this was a common occurence on pre 99 Subarus.Did it on my 96 and 98GT.I was lucky cause it did it before 60 thou.How many miles on yr car?? Warranty??Just a thought.
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Old 12-11-2002, 08:38 AM   #20
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...at least you dont have to replace your engine!


CRAZY KEN ***cough***cough***
Installs done...they are test driving my car and check everything out before I pick it up!
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Old 12-11-2002, 09:20 AM   #21
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Are those 2.5L motors weak or something?? ken, brian, aj and also john's RS had horrible blow by.
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Old 12-11-2002, 09:39 AM   #22
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Do not forget my RS .Cracked block.
But payed by subaru.Now I have 563 miles on my new motor.
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Old 12-11-2002, 09:45 AM   #23
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my craappy hondah motor 2 years of boosting, 6month of that at 13psi on a td04-15g turbo. hardly any blowby. Damn thing is pretty strong.
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Old 12-11-2002, 01:55 PM   #24
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Well, I just realized that I'm still under Powertrain Warrenty on my car (under 60K, just barely ) so that'll eat the cost up a bit on things. Still haven't heard back from Annapolis about the car, so I'm getting worried. Course, I dropped it off all of 24hrs ago, so who knows. I just get antsy. I'm sure all of you understand.... it's MY car...

AJ
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Old 12-11-2002, 03:35 PM   #25
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AJ,,that should be totally covered by warranty,,mine was,,and no i didnt pull strings
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