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Old 05-20-2003, 12:58 AM   #1
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I'm looking at getting a good 4/5/6 point harness such as the Schroth Profi for use in my STi. I intend to regularly autocross as well as go to some road track schools / events and an occasional hill climb. I will likely install a harness bar and am debating the wisdom of a roll cage (would make the hill climb idea a bit more palatable).

Anyway, my question is regarding the seat and fit of a harness. Will the standard seat for the STi accomodate a harness safely? I see that the Recaros in the Evo have dual openings that look like they might fit a harness properly, but the STi seats use a single wide opening. Does anyone know how well a harness fits?

If the answer is that they do not fit well, or I find I want a tighter fitting seat such as the Corbeau FX1, CR1, or A4, is this possible given the side airbag of the original seat? First, is there any problem removing the OEM seat, and second am I going to find this a very bad thing to be missing the airbag?
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Many on this board seem to think that the seats in the STi will be nice but are not made for real racing. If that turns out to be the case you will not want them for what you intend to use your car for. I'm no expert, but it seems like your're intending on using the car for some serious compition. If you're going to compete in an areana where you are contemplating a full rool cage, it seems like a real racing seats with proper mounting for a five or six point harness is the thing to do.
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If you go with a shroth ralley series belt there should be no problem since the harness comes to a point where it would pass through the seat. But with the harness you listed Im not sure how well the seat would hold the harness straps.

I have a ralley 3 in my wrx that I will transfer to my sti and it works fine, I wouldnt consider anything more unless I was going to be competing in some racing that requires fia approved racing belts.
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Old 05-20-2003, 03:28 AM   #4
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In response to a couple of these posts, I'm planning on competing in autocross but just having fun with the others. If I were truly serious I'd of course replace the seat without any question, but this is the daily driver and the rear seat has to remain accesible for child seats every now and then (which implies some compromise in any roll cage, but it should still be much better than none). So I can't go too overboard.

However, safety is important and the budget should cover this stuff. Some rules such as the BMW CCA club racing and SCCA club racing do not allow "Y-type" harnesses which leaves out things like the Rallye 3. If I were just autocrossing this would be irrelevent, but on road courses I think I should go with the safest solution, even if nobody is enforcing rules.

If the openings are wide enough, I could mount the shoulder straps to either the back deck child seat anchors, roll cage, or a harness bar such that they shouldn't move. I'd prefer not to have anything digging into my neck like my factory belt on my current car does, so my worry is the opening. Thanks for the replies so far!
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With a harness bar I think a h type harness would work fine and you can take out the bar pretty easily for when you need the back seat. I wouldnt use the rear child seat mounts though I have not seen anything that says they are capable of supporting a full grown adult in a crash. The opening seems to be wide enough as to not pinch your neck too.
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Old 05-20-2003, 11:14 AM   #6
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Without a slot in the seat bottom you can't fit a 5 or 6 point safely.

So fit a 4 point, the slot in the seat back should be fine.

If you really need a 5 or 6 point, then you also really need a proper race seat.

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Old 05-20-2003, 12:47 PM   #7
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Thanks Glenn! I saw some mention about ASM belts not being allowed to allow vertical movement due to seat material crushing, which does imply a cut-out in the seat bottom. That's a really good point.

How hard do you think it will be, especially with the side air bag, to swap seats? Is this something I might want to have set up for the occasional race weekend, or is something I really don't want to do more than once? Depending on how comfortable the race seats are and how much long distance driving I do, maybe I would just leave the race seat in all the time, or swap only for a long trip. Given how often autocrosses occur I'd probably not swap out unless it were really easy, but for the other events I could spend an hour or two.
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Old 05-20-2003, 02:06 PM   #8
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For occasional track use I think a Schroth, with mounting point in rear seat area, would work pretty well. I did that on my Stealth before I got the WRX. Should be sufficient to keep you from moving around while autocrossing and doing occasional track days. Also allows you to retain airbags, normal WRX seat, and use of regular seat belts when you are not autocrossing or on the track. I also question why you want or need a cage for autocrossing or the occasional track day. If you are really going to put a cage in I'd go all the way and put a proper race bucket in with a full 5/6 point belt with proper anchor points, but why would you need that? Wonderful thing about WRX/STI is the stiff chassis--you don't need a full cage, with pick up points through the firewall into the chassis, and if you put one it it would efectively ruin the streetability of the car.
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If you decide to install a race seat its just 4 bolts and a air bag harness, the hardest part is lifting up the seat . The only problem I see with changing seats is you wont have side airbags in a crash, also if you plan on being competitive in autox race seats will throw you way out of stock class espescially if its a non adjustable seat, just somthing else to consider.
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Didn't know STi seats come with side airbags...
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Uh, if you want to install a race seat properly and safely you really need to cut off the existing mounts and weld brackets on and bolt to that.

For autocross etc a 4 point is fine to hold you in.

For occasional track days, seriously, my advice is to use the stock seatbelts. I am not sure the 4 point provides any advantage, you move around less than in autocross, and they test the heck out of the factory setup.

For serious racing or rallying, get the right equipment and get a professional to install it.

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Old 05-20-2003, 07:03 PM   #13
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Uh, if you want to install a race seat properly and safely you really need to cut off the existing mounts and weld brackets on and bolt to that.

When I said its just 4 bolts I meant to take out the stock seats I wasnt addressing install of the race seat.
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I kinda agree with Glenn, except that the side bolstering of the WRX/STI seats is so poor for track or autocross use. The Schroth disadvantage is that it screws up your back seat because it has to be anchored there. There really isn't a good solution, but if you wanted to do a bit of track driving in just a fun but not competitive situation, but still want your car to be streetable, I think I'd just try to change out the seats for some good Recaro-like seats with decent side and shoulder bolstering, and just use your stock belts. Probably the EVO seats are what you need!
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If you want a harness you want at least a roll bar. If you would flip you can duck in regular belts but harness will make it impossible. Just recently one guy flipped his M3 and he was lucky the inpact flattened roof at passenger side.
Another thing, 4 point harness is in some cases forbidden. I just signed for track day and they ban 4 point harness.
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People have been autocrossing and doing driver ed track days for years without roll bars/cages. It all depends if you want to radically alter your car and how vulnerable you feel. If you drive within your limits and don't do something exceedingly foolish, and drive a well prepared car with good brake fluid/lines,etc. I wouldn't worry about it. I've put hundreds of track miles on my cars without a cage. Of course, when I did SCCA racing I had a roll cage, but it sounds like you really just want to autocross and do DE track days. I'd just get some good seats so you arn't sliding all over, make sure you have an instructor if you need one, and learn how to drive this incredible machine. I envy you....
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