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Old 10-29-2009, 12:20 AM   #1
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Default STI steering rack vs Wrx steering rack

I know there is a ratio difference between the two.

Is it worth swapping my wrx steering rack.
Anything needs to be changed with along the steering rack ?

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Old 10-29-2009, 12:30 AM   #2
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I know there is a ration difference between the two.

Is it worth swapping my wrx steering rack.
Anything needs to be changed with along the steering rack ?

Thanks...
hell yes!!!!!

do it!!!

one of the things that I hated about my 02 was the steering ratio----and that ****ing useless MOMO wheel
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:36 AM   #3
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on later years were the racks the same? say 06-07
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:44 AM   #4
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on later years were the racks the same? say 06-07
I believe the 06-07 were a tad quicker.

Have you looked at the q-rack www.q-rack.com
these are super quick 11.5:1 or 12.5:1 (for reference evo is 13:1, STI is 15:1). I am saving up money for one, I hate my slow 02 steering.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:56 AM   #5
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WRX ratio is far, far too slow for almost any type of driving. Here are your options:

Small- STi upgrade, cheap and easy
Medium- L&E Fabrication quick column, still cheap and easy but super fast ratio
Large- Q-Rack, crazy expensive compared to the other two but most common upgrade
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:01 AM   #6
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06+ had same as sti
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:23 AM   #7
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the L&E seems like a good bang for the buck. the Q-racks are just so expensive actually a rebuilt is not that much respectively still more then double the L&E
the L&E is actually faster it is 2 turns lock to lock
the Q-Rack is 2.4 turns lock to lock

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Old 10-29-2009, 01:26 AM   #8
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I know there is a ration difference between the two.

Is it worth swapping my wrx steering rack.
Anything needs to be changed with along the steering rack ?

Thanks...
If you use an '04 STi rack there are no other changes needed. The '05-'07 STI and the '06-'07 WRX racks used a different crossmember and rack mount.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:47 AM   #9
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My 11.5:1 Q-rack is 2 turns lock to lock.

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the L&E seems like a good bang for the buck. the Q-racks are just so expensive actually a rebuilt is not that much respectively still more then double the L&E
the L&E is actually faster it is 2 turns lock to lock
the Q-Rack is 2.4 turns lock to lock
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:10 AM   #10
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My 11.5:1 Q-rack is 2 turns lock to lock.
I was just comparing what it says on the two websites.
The Q-rack is still double the price for a rebuilt. Way more for a brand new rack.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:46 AM   #11
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and a 'too quick' rack can get tiresome
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:25 PM   #12
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and a 'too quick' rack can get tiresome
And dangerous.
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:30 PM   #13
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Thanks everyone, lot of info here
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:51 PM   #14
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My 11.5:1 Q-rack is 2 turns lock to lock.
Check again. The 11.5:1 rack ought to be 2.5 turns or so.

After running the 11.5:1 rack for several years now I would dread having to do without it. It eliminates the center dead spot so common on every other car I've driven. Most other vehicles feel like I'm trying to herd cats down the freeway. It is very quick and takes some time to get used to, but the slightly heavier turning force keeps it from being twitchy. It's definitely not for everyone, you need to pay attention to your driving, but it's very nice on a daily driver if you don't drive around in an oblivious fog.

As for the STi rack, I think it'd be worth doing if you got it for free, but other than that I wouldn't bother.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:39 PM   #15
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As I stated the Qrack is 2.4 lock to lock as per Q-rack
They also make a 12:1 rack which would be a little slower
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:39 PM   #16
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:08 AM   #17
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My 11.5:1 Q-rack produces just under two turns lock-to-lock.

If you're 2.4 turns lock-to-lock I'd guess you have the 12.5:1.

How fast is too fast is certainly a matter of personal preference, but there is more to the equation than just the steering ratio. Driving a Viper (16.7:1) feels like much faster steering and requires much more attention to minute inputs than my car, for example.

I would personally never find driving a quick-steering car tiresome, or dangerous, but each to their own.

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Old 10-31-2009, 04:41 AM   #18
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ok this i found strange my 07 wagon is 2.5 turns lock to lock. stock rack and column?
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:50 AM   #19
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My 11.5:1 Q-rack produces just under two turns lock-to-lock.

If you're 2.4 turns lock-to-lock I'd guess you have the 12.5:1.
I must be going senile. I could have sworn I checked my wheel throw when I first installed it. After reading that, I rechecked mine and you're totally right. I have just a touch over 2 turns. Maybe an additional 1/16th or so. Thanks.

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Old 11-02-2009, 11:08 PM   #20
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ok this i found strange my 07 wagon is 2.5 turns lock to lock. stock rack and column?
Not so strange .....with Q-Rack (11.5:1 ratio) you get 2 turns lock to lock but you also get a sharper turning radii by about 16 degree over all on the 05-07
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:07 PM   #21
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06+ had same as sti
Subaru went to a quicker rack in 05, whether they lowered the ratio further in 06 I'm not sure of.
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Check again. The 11.5:1 rack ought to be 2.5 turns or so.

After running the 11.5:1 rack for several years now I would dread having to do without it. It eliminates the center dead spot so common on every other car I've driven. Most other vehicles feel like I'm trying to herd cats down the freeway. It is very quick and takes some time to get used to, but the slightly heavier turning force keeps it from being twitchy. It's definitely not for everyone, you need to pay attention to your driving, but it's very nice on a daily driver if you don't drive around in an oblivious fog.

As for the STi rack, I think it'd be worth doing if you got it for free, but other than that I wouldn't bother.
I think it was Paul Neuman who talked about the 'Sneeze factor.' If a rack is so quick that you can't even sneeze without changing direction, then you lean over to change the air conditioning and you're suddenly in the next lane. That center 'dead zone' is engineered that way. It's not just laziness or sloppiness on the part of the manufacturer. For a car that sees mostly track driving, it may be ok. For a car that actually gets commuting time, it can turn out to be a real hassle. I commuted for few weeks in a friend's Honda that had a super-duper ultra-clamping strength clutch for drag racing. It had about a 1/4" of take up in the peddle. *Serious* PITA. Ultra fast steering can be really cool, but there are trade-offs.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:50 AM   #23
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I installed an 05+ STi rack, crossmember and steering wheel into my bugeye and I'm very happy with the upgrade. I really love the smaller diameter of the STi wheel though the leather quality is not as good as the MOMO (a bit thin). It really helps with the tactile improvement in the drive. The quicker rack is noticeable and nice though its not as nice as a Q-Rack bugeye I drove. Very nice, but it does take some getting used to. I autox'ed this car for one run and I was all over the place! Totally overcorrecting everywhere. It was pretty comical. You definitely have to get used to the reduced amount of steering input necessary. If I had $2k sitting around (with all my other dream mods bought and paid for) I'd consider it. As it was, the rack cost $150 used and I got the wheel "free" in trade for labor.
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and a 'too quick' rack can get tiresome

Agreed. My 11.5:1 q-rack is too fast, and can get annoying on long drives. You also lose out on some precision in the twisties which can be annoying. If did things over again i would buy a 12.5:1.

For a tarmac-only car i would dodge steering quickeners altogether and stick with the STi ratio. Fast steering is awesome for dirt/snow/gravel though.
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I installed an 05+ STi rack, crossmember and steering wheel into my bugeye and I'm very happy with the upgrade. I really love the smaller diameter of the STi wheel though the leather quality is not as good as the MOMO (a bit thin). It really helps with the tactile improvement in the drive. The quicker rack is noticeable and nice though its not as nice as a Q-Rack bugeye I drove. Very nice, but it does take some getting used to. I autox'ed this car for one run and I was all over the place! Totally overcorrecting everywhere. It was pretty comical. You definitely have to get used to the reduced amount of steering input necessary. If I had $2k sitting around (with all my other dream mods bought and paid for) I'd consider it. As it was, the rack cost $150 used and I got the wheel "free" in trade for labor.
I bet the owner of the Q-rack car would have been plowing into cones on the far side of turns for the same reason, because he would have trained himself to give smaller inputs after being used to his own car. Just for the record, it's actually less than $2k to get into one of these. Once the core is exchanged, the total expenditure comes to about $1135 American. No argument that it's expensive, but not as bad of a hit.

I never realized that the STi steering wheel wold have been a smaller diameter, which helps the response. I'm sure it has been covered here before, but was the STi wheel a direct hook-up, and did you use the STi coupler (column to rack) as well?
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