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Old 09-04-2019, 01:32 PM   #1
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News SOA Celebrates Record August Sales (2019) And Best-Ever Sales Month In Company Histor

  • August 2019 marks best-ever sales month in company history
  • Best-ever August – monthly sales increase 6.1 percent over August 2018
  • 93 consecutive months of yearly, month-over-month growth
  • Best August ever for Crosstrek and Ascent
  • Best month ever for Crosstrek
  • 66 consecutive months of more than 10,000 Outbacks sold
  • 73 Consecutive Months of more than 10,000 Forester Units



Subaru of America, Inc. today reported 70,039 vehicle sales for August 2019, a 9.3 percent increase compared with August 2018. August 2019 marked the best-ever sales month in the history of the company, topping the current record set in December 2018 (64,541). Year to date, Subaru also sold a record 473,670 vehicles, up 6.1 percent compared with the same period last year despite a tightening market.

August marked the 66th consecutive month of 40,000+ vehicle sales for the automaker. Crosstrek and Ascent sales were notably strong as each model achieved its best August ever. Crosstrek posted a 33.3 percent increase, while Ascent posted a 72.8 percent increase compared to August 2018. Forester achieved an increase of 10.6 percent over the same month a year ago.

“In closing out August, we are ecstatic to see Subaru achieve its best sales month in our history, with a record 93rd month of consecutive sales increases,” said Thomas J. Doll, President and CEO, Subaru of America, Inc. “It is through the dedication of our retailers in satisfying our customers that we continue to see growing demand for our products, which should result in another record year for our franchise.”

“August results were outstanding. It’s always special to set an all-time sales record and shows our potential to continue growing,” said Jeff Walters, Senior Vice President of Sales. “We’ll also be starting September with historically low inventory levels. Our retailers and customers are excited about the production ramp up of the all-new 2020 Legacy and Outback models. These carlines will help us achieve more record months later this year and get us to our 2019 calendar year target of 700,000 units.”

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Old 09-04-2019, 01:43 PM   #2
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Wow, what happened to Crosstrek sales!!? I expected Forester sales to go up with the new platform, but nothing really changed with the Crosstrek.

9.3% increase is crazy good in this car market. Subaru is obviously doing a lot of things right.

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Old 09-04-2019, 01:48 PM   #3
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And this just goes to show why Subaru doesn't care about their sportier cars like the WRX/STI & BRZ...

The WRX/STI & BRZ make up 2.9% of August's sales. They make up 3.8% of the YTD sales. I'm a bit surprised 158 people bought a new BRZ

Whereas the Forester, Ascent, Outback & Crosstrek make up 81.9% of August's sales and 82% of the YTD sales.

This really puts into perspective where they make their profit from.
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:20 PM   #4
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And this just goes to show why Subaru doesn't care about their sportier cars like the WRX/STI & BRZ...

The WRX/STI & BRZ make up 2.9% of August's sales. They make up 3.8% of the YTD sales. I'm a bit surprised 158 people bought a new BRZ

Whereas the Forester, Ascent, Outback & Crosstrek make up 81.9% of August's sales and 82% of the YTD sales.

This really puts into perspective where they make their profit from.
Lifted!

Now that I'm back in a small low car they all seem so... so unnecessary and huge. Like caravans of conestoga wagons crossing the plains, carrying all their worldly possessions.

Am I going backward? Or a part of a trend to cars again. No current evidence of that, but let's see how the new Leggy does. This wagon train has to get where it's going sometime. We need fresh blood!! Bring back the streets.
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Old 09-04-2019, 03:37 PM   #5
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Lifted!

Now that I'm back in a small low car they all seem so... so unnecessary and huge. Like caravans of conestoga wagons crossing the plains, carrying all their worldly possessions.

Am I going backward? Or a part of a trend to cars again. No current evidence of that, but let's see how the new Leggy does. This wagon train has to get where it's going sometime. We need fresh blood!! Bring back the streets.
We need an AWD sportwagon train.
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Lifted!

Now that I'm back in a small low car they all seem so... so unnecessary and huge. Like caravans of conestoga wagons crossing the plains, carrying all their worldly possessions.

Am I going backward? Or a part of a trend to cars again. No current evidence of that, but let's see how the new Leggy does. This wagon train has to get where it's going sometime. We need fresh blood!! Bring back the streets.
The excuse on here for the "lift" is the seats. "So much easier to get in and out of". I read that and wondered if everyone out there has medical issues preventing them from ingress/egress out of a passenger car. I've read people talking about getting in and out of a car like the Impreza or Legacy sound like it's getting in and out of a Lotus Elise.
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And this just goes to show why Subaru doesn't care about their sportier cars like the WRX/STI & BRZ...

The WRX/STI & BRZ make up 2.9% of August's sales. They make up 3.8% of the YTD sales. I'm a bit surprised 158 people bought a new BRZ

Whereas the Forester, Ascent, Outback & Crosstrek make up 81.9% of August's sales and 82% of the YTD sales.

This really puts into perspective where they make their profit from.
Clearly we need an STI crosstrek...
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And this just goes to show why Subaru doesn't care about their sportier cars like the WRX/STI & BRZ...

The WRX/STI & BRZ make up 2.9% of August's sales. They make up 3.8% of the YTD sales. I'm a bit surprised 158 people bought a new BRZ

Whereas the Forester, Ascent, Outback & Crosstrek make up 81.9% of August's sales and 82% of the YTD sales.

This really puts into perspective where they make their profit from.
If they didn't care, they wouldn't offer it. Funny statement.
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Bring back the streets.
Nope off-road is where it is at. New Crosstrek coming out in a couple years:
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If they didn't care, they wouldn't offer it. Funny statement.
By "doesn't care" I meant that they're falling behind their competitors in the performance aspect and don't care about improving that.

Rant commencing.. feel free to ignore everything below.

The STI has had the same engine and drivetrain (with minor changes) since its introduction to the US 16 years ago... it's received a huge 10 hp bump since then and gained a ton of weight making its straight line performance worse than it was in 2004. Compared to its competitors, it's slower in a straight line, around a track, at the drag strip, and for daily driving.. all while getting worse fuel economy!

I get that they could stop offering it if they truly didn't care. It's a low selling sports car that makes them little profit.. which is probably why they haven't cared to noticeably improve the performance in 15+ years. Sure.. it's safer and more comfortable as a daily driver now, but is that really what STI buyers want?

The BRZ has been around since 2013 and only received a 5 hp bump over the last 7 years. Meanwhile the ND Miata (introduced in 2016) has already received a redesigned engine and is the faster car now.

Instead of performance improvements, we've gotten limited production/special edition models that are rarer, and therefore more desired, to help bump their sales. Other than the $60k+ S209, these have mostly been handling improvements..

But Subaru has a unique niche that both of these cars cater to so they'll continue to sell at low numbers and Subaru is okay with that because they make their profits from their other cars...

/End rant.

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That’s a nice looking thang.

But not good enough around here. Too low lol where you need a 4 wheeler to go through the woods around the impassable.

I’ll bet less than 10% of the SUVs on the road ever touch dirt. Just another lemming herd.

It’ll thin itself in time leaving the quick and agile to rise again.
E-cars will lift the rising tide of smaller. They already own the title of quickest. Add a few VWs, FoRS, and Kias here and there and the Wannabes will have something else to want to dress for.

The only question is when.
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By "doesn't care" I meant that they're falling behind their competitors in the performance aspect and don't care about improving that.

Rant commencing.. feel free to ignore everything below.

The STI has had the same engine and drivetrain (with minor changes) since its introduction to the US 16 years ago... it's received a huge 10 hp bump since then and gained a ton of weight making its straight line performance worse than it was in 2004. Compared to its competitors, it's slower in a straight line, around a track, at the drag strip, and for daily driving.. all while getting worse fuel economy!

I get that they could stop offering it if they truly didn't care. It's a low selling sports car that makes them little profit.. which is probably why they haven't cared to noticeably improve the performance in 15+ years. Sure.. it's safer and more comfortable as a daily driver now, but is that really what STI buyers want?

The BRZ has been around since 2013 and only received a 5 hp bump over the last 7 years. Meanwhile the ND Miata (introduced in 2016) has already received a redesigned engine and is the faster car now.

Instead of performance improvements, we've gotten limited production/special edition models that are rarer, and therefore more desired, to help bump their sales. Other than the $60k+ S209, these have mostly been handling improvements..

But Subaru has a unique niche that both of these cars cater to so they'll continue to sell at low numbers and Subaru is okay with that because they make their profits from their other cars...

/End rant.

I understand the rant and have some of my own. HOWEVER, with all that rant, they still outsell that competition. Why is that?

As for some other points, I like to make clarification statements. Since the "16 years" you mention, it is not a 10HP gain, but a 17HP gain. Remember that the "true" HP of the original "300" engine was really 293. But, yes, in 16 years, that ain't a crazy lot and the car has gotten slower. That irks me just as much as I was expecting a lot of improvements power wise when I traded my '04 for my '08. In that respect, I was seriously disappointed; but, just about everything else I liked more. My friends that got hauled around praised it for it's extra room. And I wasn't losing teeth on every crappy bump this city has. You also have to think. Yes, those other cars are faster. But, by how much? Not a lot. By your metric(and many that complain here), for what you expect the STI to have, why aren't those competitor cars SOOOOOO much better? And they're not? The ONLY metric that they are "significantly" better is MPG. And THAT'S funny as SOOOO many people say you shouldn't buy that car if you are worried about mileage. But, yes, the competition is better. But, answer me why the competition isn't MILES ahead? By your metrics you are ranting about.

The BRZ they obviously care about as they are bringing a 2nd gen; but, it has 7 years of life versus the Miata's what? And HOW much faster is the Miata, by the way? I'll just guess it ain't that much. Just like the STI's competitors. I think the BRZs low sales is because of it's price. Why spend that money if you can get a faster WRX for the same? Those few buyers still out there I like to think are getting it knowing what the car truly is. You know. After all this time and all the complaints, surely NO ONE would by a "slow" car. Right?

Subaru cares. They are just a little() slow at things. Especially now, since they have had some quality issues and their moneys are being taken for that. I'm pretty sure everyone who reads this will agree they want a stout, reliable engine that won't break as easy when it's taken outside of warranty parameters. Right? Cause we all know it doesn't matter what Subaru brings us, it won't be enough. Subaru is giving us a 341HP car and I'd bet a good steak dinner many of them get messed with. Then it'll break and it will be Subaru's fault.
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Unfortunately, the Golf R is the only car that I can find model specific sales for. Subaru, Honda, and Hyundai don't break out STI, CTR, and Veloster N sales.
VW sold 693 Golf Rs in August. https://media.vw.com/releases/1195
I found a source indicating that Honda sold ~350-400 CTRs per month in 2018. They've since increased production to ~5,000 annually.
Focus RS sales were at ~500 per month and Ford still took it away.
I can't imagine that the STI accounts for more than 1/3 of the WRX/STI sales considering the WRX is cheaper and offered with manual or CVT. I can't find anything on STI specific sales.

It doesn't bother me so much that the competitors are slightly faster.. it's more that they've progressed a lot over the years. In comparison, the STI has remained relatively stagnant performance-wise with minimal changes. It's actually gotten slower in straight line performance (0-60 mph, 5-60 mph, 1/4 mile, etc.) compared to 2004.

2004 STI
MSRP ~$32k
300 HP @ 6000 rpm (@ 14.5 psi)
300 LB-FT @ 4000 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.6 sec
5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 13.2 sec
Skidpad: 0.90 G
Braking: 60-0 111 ft (70-0 166 ft)
Curb weight: 3260 lbs
LB/HP: 10.87

2019 STI
MSRP ~$37k
310 HP @ 6000 rpm (@ 16.2 psi)
290 LB-FT @ 4000-5200 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.4-5.7 sec
5-60 mpg: 6.9 sec
1/4 mile: 13.9 sec
Skidpad: 0.93 G
Braking: 60-0 109 ft (70-0 158 ft)
Curb weight: 3446 lbs
LB/HP: 11.12

As you can see, the new STI is worse in almost every aspect on the spec sheet. The appeal of the STI in the '00s was that it competed with much more expensive cars with bigger engines. Its performance hasn't changed much over the last 16 years while other cars have progressed and gotten much faster. Sure, the safety, interior, ride quality, and handling have improved, but so have other cars.

The 2004 STI had performance numbers that were quite impressive for its time. It laughed at most American muscle cars that weren't the Z06. For reference:

A 2004 Mustang GT had 260 HP/302 LB-FT, 0-60 in ~6 sec, and 1/4 mile in high 14s.
The 2019 Mustang GT has 460 HP/420 LB-FT, 0-60 in 3.9 sec, and 1/4 mile in high 11s.
The '04 STI was closer in performance to the more powerful & expensive Mustang Cobra "Terminator" (supercharged v8) in terms of 0-60 & 1/4 mile times.
Now the STI is more on par with the cheaper Mustang EcoBoost (turbo 4)..

The '04 STI was very similar in performance to the M3 of the time. Now the BMW M2 Comp does 0-60 in 4.0 sec and 1/4 mile in 12.4 sec.

You get the idea.

I love my '19 STI and the raw, mechanical driving feel that it offers. That, combined with its practicality, is largely why I bought it. There aren't many cars left that offer this experience, especially as a package with AWD, 4 doors, and a manual transmission. The only other car left in that segment is the Golf R.. and most prefer that with the DSG.

I'm not saying that the STI is bad, but I think some would pay more for a STI that was more competitive performance-wise. I think a large part of the problem is that Subaru doesn't feel a need to spend the money and make any real performance improvements. People are still buying the STI, it accounts for a very low portion of their sales/profits, and it has no direct competition with the Evo & Focus RS out of the picture. The Golf R is its closest competitor, but is a VW, quite a bit more expensive and best the with the DSG. The CTR is better in almost every way, but it's FWD and over-styled (IMO). The Veloster N is a 3 door? And loyal Subaru enthusiasts are willing to pay $50k+ for limited editions that are marginally faster. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that Subaru is finally offering the S209 in the US, but I wouldn't pay $60k+ for it.

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All those stats tell me is the 2004 STi(and EVO of the day) were just WAY ahead of the competition; but, near a hard to move ceiling....when it comes to what a company will warranty. All those models you mention that have improved soo much....how many cylinders do they have. That just tells me how far BEHIND they were at the time. IF that wasn't the case, then cars like the FoRS, CTR and maybe the Golf R would be at those V-8 numbers you posted. But, they are not. Why?
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Things are not looking good for BRZ sales. The axeman may be around the corner for this model.
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Things are not looking good for BRZ sales. The axeman may be around the corner for this model.
Have you not been paying attention?

Or am I missing sarcasm here?
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Have you not been paying attention?

Or am I missing sarcasm here?
Haha! I knew you would respond.
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All those stats tell me is the 2004 STi(and EVO of the day) were just WAY ahead of the competition; but, near a hard to move ceiling....when it comes to what a company will warranty. All those models you mention that have improved soo much....how many cylinders do they have. That just tells me how far BEHIND they were at the time. IF that wasn't the case, then cars like the FoRS, CTR and maybe the Golf R would be at those V-8 numbers you posted. But, they are not. Why?
Is the ceiling hard to move? Absolutely not. Will it cost more? Absolutely.

I think you're missing my point. I don't care that the STI hasn't gotten significantly faster. Subaru hasn't even tried to 'move the ceiling' or improve upon what they have.. they've gotten slower.

Technology has advanced a lot since 2004. Subaru just hasn't taken advantage of it for their 'performance icon'. For instance:

AMG's M139 2.0L turbo 4 produces 416 hp, does 0-60 in < 4 seconds, and runs a low 12 second 1/4 mile..
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=31

Yes, the engine is hand-built and way more expensive than any of the cars listed above. But does that mean Subaru shouldn't even try? Look at the S209.. sure it's limited production, but it also has a hand-built engine and is expected to cost upwards of $60k (before dealer markups) putting it in the same class as the AMG. Yet it only produces 341 hp from a 2.5L via an inefficient UELH & single scroll, journal bearing turbo.

You're telling me that in the last 16 years Subaru couldn't give any of the EJ207's more optimal parts to the STI? The ELH, a larger twin scroll ball bearing turbo, or higher flowing heads? These would be relatively cheap performance enhancements. Sure, they still have to warranty more power, but they couldn't make the engine handle any more power over all of these years? The aftermarket knows that the stock block can handle more power. An ELH would improve efficiency and reliability. Thankfully they finally gave us 'stronger' pistons after 14 years...

Subaru could have given the STI a version of the FA20 in 2015 or shortly after, but they didn't. Here we are 5 years later hoping that Subaru redesigns the STI's engine next year.

Like you mentioned, engine size & displacement plays a role in power potential. So lets take a look at specific output (HP/L) to measure efficiency:

AMG M139: 416 hp/1991cc = 208.9 HP/L
STI TC 380 EJ207: 380 hp/1994cc = 190.6 HP/L
Volvo Polestar S60: 362 HP/1969cc = 183.9 HP/L
S208 EJ207: 325 hp/1994cc = 163.0 HP/L
Focus RS: 350 hp/2261cc = 154.8 HP/L
Type R K20C1: 306 hp/1996cc = 153.3 HP/L
STI EJ207: 304 hp/1994cc = 152.5 HP/L
Golf R: 292 hp/1984cc = 147.2 HP/L
S209 EJ257: 341 hp/2457cc = 138.8 HP/L
WRX FA20: 268 HP/1998cc =. 134.1 HP/L
STI EJ257: 310 hp/2457cc = 126.2 HP/L

As you can see, most competitors average around the ~150 HP/L range, including the boxer EJ207. The EJ257 is a good 20+ HP/L behind. The AMG M139 has clearly set the bar.

Here's to hoping that Subaru will surprise us with the next gen STI. To quote SeeeeeYa:
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What with SGP, new turbo engines, new upscale models, and the onslaught of the competition... it would be a stroke of genius for Subaru to release an STi that brought shock and awe to the reviews.

It would put the spotlight on the brand. A brand good enough and worthy enough to deserve the spotlight. Sales would climb, and climb. A new image would emerge.

Imagine that.

It’s happened before. It worked. It would work again.
But obviously Subaru doesn't need a performance car to help with their sales

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