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Old 08-31-2019, 01:44 PM   #651
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Old 08-31-2019, 01:49 PM   #652
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Ill take your ramblings with a grain of salt. After hearing you claim that the current impreza is the best handling car you have driven, its clear you cant be taken serious.
I said "out of the box,"

But that's OK, don't.

Come on down anyway. It's fun here, all the time, every day... if you like driving that is. Please don't show off though. It closes roads all the time, and the inconvenience riles the natives.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:02 PM   #653
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You guys can keep trying to convince people that it handles great and that 150hp is plenty, but when you look at the #’s its clearly about the worst performer in every measurable metric in its class. 0-60 in 9.2 and a 17.1 sec 1/4 mile is awful. The civic beats both those #’s by over 2 seconds, and has better steering feel, better brakes, and is far more of a drivers car.
It does handle great. I never claimed "best". That wasn't me. 150hp IS plenty. I never said it was best. That wasn't me. And that last sentence of yours is what I am getting at. Subaru isn't trying to make a "driver's car" in the sense you are asking. Now, I haven't driven a new Civic and I KNOW just from it being a Civic, it is a great car. But, I do hear people say the Impreza feels better. Those, and MOST, Subaru buyers are not looking for a "driver's car" like you(and magazines) describe them. That's why a lot of folks on here are clearly dumbfounded Subaru does soo well. "What the hell are they thinking.....". All the time. Subaru is thinking of making a car it's CORE demographic wants AND a car that can bring in new customers. You know. ALL those folks that never bought one BECAUSE they were small. Got terrible MPG for it's class. Didn't have all the amenities the other cars had. Now, they do. And, 93 months later, we are still riding the lift.
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Old 08-31-2019, 03:21 PM   #654
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Wow, a couple of posters (the usuals) have turned this thread to ****.

They’re not even making sense. Trolling every page.
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Old 08-31-2019, 04:01 PM   #655
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@Justy.

It's clear to me Subaru has taken to heart what many thought they didn't listen to... the mods the modding community did to make their Subaru's better.

But they know better than to listen to that small little group of bitter people who live in magazines and armchair nit pic Subaru like a hungry bunch of Piranhas.

With the SGP cars forward, the image of the past began to fade. "Subaru" will mean something different from here on. The same to their core in all the important ways, but there will be a growing new owner population to whom it will mean something else... just another mainstream car, but with the old something extra they like a lot.

That "extra" is what created Subaru's core demographic in the first place. It'll just get more widely known through buyers new and old. For the loyal they'll now have cars they can fully vouch for, without any alibis. The new owners will appreciate their Subaru's for the great car it is, the virtues will be the icing on the cake. The Core will just smile a knowing smile.

Lordy, I loves my new SGP car! I can't wait to hear the LGT reviews... the real ones: Sales figures. Mags can only do what they always do, give biased personal opinions loosely wrapped in cloudy facts.
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Old 08-31-2019, 04:07 PM   #656
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Wow, a couple of posters (the usuals) have turned this thread to ****.

They’re not even making sense. Trolling every page.
(Pssssst. It's News and Rumors. SOP here)

Didn't want to ruffle a gray beard so I whispered.

Personally, ALL my posts have something to do with the subject at hand. Unless it doesn't, like when it's boring and the room is abuzz.

Whatcha got. I'm all ears. I know what I'll hear though. I've already seen the movie.
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Old 08-31-2019, 05:35 PM   #657
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You guys can keep trying to convince people that it handles great and that 150hp is plenty, but when you look at the #’s its clearly about the worst performer in every measurable metric in its class. 0-60 in 9.2 and a 17.1 sec 1/4 mile is awful. The civic beats both those #’s by over 2 seconds, and has better steering feel, better brakes, and is far more of a drivers car.
They desperately need to bring a 1.6-1.8 FADIT engine here. The SGP is tits but it lacks an entry level turbo engine. I think the Mazda 3 is gutless too. I would go with a Jetta 1.4T in this class. Civic is so damn ugly.
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Old 08-31-2019, 05:39 PM   #658
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They desperately need to bring a 1.6-1.8 FADIT engine here. The SGP is tits but it lacks an entry level turbo engine. I think the Mazda 3 is gutless too. I would go with a Jetta 1.4T in this class. Civic is so damn ugly.
Or at least toss the fb25 in it and call it a “sport”. The fb25 in the legacy is rated like 35 mpg so you cant tell me it would hurt mileage.
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Old 08-31-2019, 05:59 PM   #659
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Or at least toss the fb25 in it and call it a “sport”. The fb25 in the legacy is rated like 35 mpg so you cant tell me it would hurt mileage.
We have an agreement here.
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:22 PM   #660
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Or at least toss the fb25 in it and call it a “sport”. The fb25 in the legacy is rated like 35 mpg so you cant tell me it would hurt mileage.
Subaru really, really needs a small displacement entry level turbo engine. SGP Impreza hatch with 1.6 DIT would be pretty cool.

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Old 08-31-2019, 07:31 PM   #661
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If the STI doesn't have a hatch option next gen then I'd gladly trade-in my current Impreza for a truer "Sport" with FB25 engine, if not FB16DIT or whatever.
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:53 AM   #662
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Does this mean you're leaving this pleasant community?? You'll miss all the good news and rumors about Subaru, you know. There's a new Leggy coming out... it has a turbo and's gonna whup butt. Stick around. I'm sure you can find someone that's just as disenchanted with cars as you are to talk to. Pretty sure anyway. Dunno. Stick around even though you're disgusted anyway. We could use the balance.
no, i'm staying because enjoy OT (like many other former-Subaru owners) and i browse the News & Rumors from time-to-time.

the new Legacy is a watered-down, much uglier, and less powerful Volvo S60. i do look forward to see how many factory recalls it can generate, though.

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You're... you're not saying you don't like the new turbo Subaru Legacy, are you?? JK I know you know it's the safest and most reliable one yet. Maybe number five would be the charm?? Just tryna help here.
i absolutely am saying that. Subaru is the new Toyota with bland styling and performance. the only difference is, Toyotas are reliable.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:55 AM   #663
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Or at least toss the fb25 in it and call it a “sport”. The fb25 in the legacy is rated like 35 mpg so you cant tell me it would hurt mileage.


Owned a 2012 Impreza.
Now own a 2016 Legacy. I get better MPGs in my Legacy. Granted my Impreza was a hatch, but still.
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no, i'm staying because enjoy OT (like many other former-Subaru owners) and i browse the News & Rumors from time-to-time.

the new Legacy is a watered-down, much uglier, and less powerful Volvo S60. i do look forward to see how many factory recalls it can generate, though.



i absolutely am saying that. Subaru is the new Toyota with bland styling and performance. the only difference is, Toyotas are reliable.
This post nails it, and I’ll add Toyota’s hold their value as well, unlike Subarus.
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:53 AM   #665
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This post nails it, and I’ll add Toyota’s hold their value as well, unlike Subarus.
Hmmmm.... seems like there is evidence to the contrary.

Since it's the subject here:

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-re...-mid-size-car/

Subaru does well here, too:

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-re...ossover-2-row/

Overall, between top place and close, the evidence is clear... Subarus are very reliable vehicles.

Anyone who says otherwise can't read, or purposely ignores it.
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This post nails it, and I’ll add Toyota’s hold their value as well, unlike Subarus.
LOL, no it doesn't. The new Legacy is an extremely compelling package. Offering elegant design, second to none AWD system, fantastic turbo engine, class leading safety ratings and exceptional resale value. It is an absolute home run for Subaru and a perfect example how to save the sedan from the SUV/CUV onslaught.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:43 PM   #667
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This post nails it, and I’ll add Toyota’s hold their value as well, unlike Subarus.
Subaru's hold their resale value better than Toyotas, especially here in Cali.
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This post nails it, and I’ll add Toyota’s hold their value as well, unlike Subarus.
actually Subarus do hold their value well, and still maintain an undeserved reputation for being reliable. ???
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If so, how did SOA’s warranty costs increase over 48% last year.

Hey Justy in am still calling BS on the 96% BS. Were you ever to verify where that data is? I have to believe that you loose 2-3% in accidents alone.

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If so, how did SOA’s warranty costs increase over 48% last year.

Hey Justy in am still calling BS on the 96% BS. Were you ever to verify where that data is? I have to believe that you loose 2-3% in accidents alone.

Peace,

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It's based on registered vehicles on the road. Subaru has been making such claims ranging from 92%ish to 98% since, at least, the 90s. This is not a new thing. Only that they are now breaking it down to models recently. I shall go find the source they use.



edit: They use IHS Markit US for vehicles vs. total new registrations for MY2009-2018 ending in December 2018

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Old 09-02-2019, 12:24 AM   #671
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And also can't complain about the stock tires on the Impreza has the best tires I've experienced on any Subaru.

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RE-93s?
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what metrics do you use to define "handling"?
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Entrance speeds up, exit speeds higher. If you're hearing the tires communicate to you, you're overdriving the corner, they actually tell you. Sweepers, quick transitions, etc, there is more grip that one would or even should expect out of this car.
So, I defined handling, and then you completely switched to straight line. HANDLING is not STRAIGHT LINE. That's power/torque....

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A mazda cx-5 matches the lateral acceleration of the 2017+ impreza. the sgp isnt any sort of revolution or marvel of engineering, its just better than the old chassis but its no better than what honda or mazda offers.
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You guys can keep trying to convince people that it handles great and that 150hp is plenty, but when you look at the #’s its clearly about the worst performer in every measurable metric in its class. 0-60 in 9.2 and a 17.1 sec 1/4 mile is awful. The civic beats both those #’s by over 2 seconds, and has better steering feel, better brakes, and is far more of a drivers car.
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Ill take your ramblings with a grain of salt. After hearing you claim that the current impreza is the best handling car you have driven, its clear you cant be taken serious.
No one claimed the current Impreza is the best handling car anyone has driven. And you know that, so that's why you switched gears. Shoo. Go away. You're a ****ing kneebiter.

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and the reviews are out. looks like i was 100% correct about the sgp.

"The car's relatively soft suspension and ample body roll also don't aid the impression of sportiness, though Subaru says body roll has been reduced by 45 percent with the switch to the SGP architecture. If you were hoping for a reborn Legacy GT, we're sorry to tell you this isn't it."

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/suba...-drive-review/
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and the reviews are out. looks like i was 100% correct about the sgp.

"The car's relatively soft suspension and ample body roll also don't aid the impression of sportiness, though Subaru says body roll has been reduced by 45 percent with the switch to the SGP architecture. If you were hoping for a reborn Legacy GT, we're sorry to tell you this isn't it."

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/suba...-drive-review/
Yeah, after training, I have to fully disagree with this and advise you to go drive one yourself. It's 14 years later and suspension is going to be much different; but, I thought it handled quite well. "Sporty" is something that's going to be individual preference. This car will run circles around the LGT. On regular at that....
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Yeah, after training, I have to fully disagree with this and advise you to go drive one yourself. It's 14 years later and suspension is going to be much different; but, I thought it handled quite well. "Sporty" is something that's going to be individual preference. This car will run circles around the LGT. On regular at that....
Yes we should trust your unbiased opinion over MT's biased opinion.
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