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Old 03-15-2019, 08:16 AM   #26
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Thanks for all the feedback! I'm very excited to see that NASIOC forums are alive and kicking.

For the BRZ votes and users, would you say the suspension is too stiff for an infant or child? Again, I don't plan to have him in my car too often, but for the times I do, I don't want the ride to be too unforgiving?

I also plan to remove and store the front seat in the BRZ so I have easy access to the back seat.

I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I've test driven the BRZ, but I can't drive more than a mile, so it doesn't really give me a good idea of how the car will be in various situations.

I'm honestly leaning BRZ at this point...Lotus and Miata would be out of the question since they have no back seats, and me being 6"4 doesn't help either (legroom).
Not too stiff at all.

And I think you'll find that kids fall asleep in just about any car. It's the wife who is the biggest whiner about suspension stiffness, not the kid.

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Lol . . . The laying your foot in part is DEPRESSING!!! I have never felt so short on power in my life (driven plenty of 150-180whp cars) that is a fact. The grip/balance/genneral performance is GREAT. But trying to talk up the feeling of power is simply a joke.

Op I think your on the right track, but fyi my brother is 6'5" and has fit in a lotus fine, the american versions have more room than you think (and more weight).

Regardless if you dislike the car ship it to Oregon and you can basically break even after a year, my co-worker gets a new subaru every year and has yet to lose more then the licence/title fee's.
Then you miss the entire point of the car. The point of the car isn't raw grunt or acceleration, but speed maintenance. To be fast in anything, it's all about speed maintenance, and a car which has low power but tons of natural flex and perfect suspension is the best teacher and ends up being the most engaging and enjoyable as you easily reach the car's limits and learn to drive at the limit.

Driving a "slow" car fast is never boring and never gets old, unlike having to drive a "fast" car "slow" (aka, street legal speeds) and never access most of what you paid for in buying it.

This is why the Miata still persists.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:30 PM   #27
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Exactly who I was hoping would respond. Thanks SirBrass!
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:41 PM   #28
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I'm seeing AT BRZs for very cheap. The dealership close to me had one on sale for a ridiculously discounted price and it was on the lot for over a year. Out of curiosity I checked some stats/reviews on the AT BRZ and oh man it's abysmal... get the MT.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:57 PM   #29
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I can't speak from personal experience for the AT but my roommate has a 6MT 2013 brz and he also test drove an auto 2014 when he was in the market and even though he is a manual kinda guy anyways he said he really didn't like the auto transmissions in them. I've driven his car a couple times and although it's not an STI transmission I'm used to driving it is very smooth especially for already having over 60k and still stock clutch. Also he beats the ***** out of that car too. Launching it, drifting corners, etc. and it has still held up well. I think you'd regret getting the auto.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:18 PM   #30
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SirBrass-

I think you missed the entire point of my comment, and are letting the cars overall good balance and GREAT track tendencies cloud the FACT it is a car that simply does not accelerate in an enjoyable manner (down shifting happens on braking so that wont change anything). Might read over how much I talk the car up overall and simply point out if you want something fun AFTER the corner is over this isn't it.
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:05 PM   #31
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Hi all,

Thanks to the other thread I have decided and finalized on the BRZ. Originally I was defaulting to manual but after watching a few reviews the auto has grabbed my attention. I have a few questions to ask that I can't seem to find any threads or worthwhile YouTube videos on.

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- I plan to DD this car, and to use on autocross or track events.
- I live in LA, and while my daily commute currently is about 15 miles, it still takes about 30 min., and occasionally I need to drive considerable distances for work, through LA traffic.

My questions are as follows:

- For those with an auto BRZ, is it reliable enough to not break on the track? Is the power delivery so skewed with the longer gears that it significantly affects lap times?
- Does an auto really take away from the driving experience? I've test driven both (short distance unfortunately) and the quick shifts of the auto seem pretty satisfying?
- Roughly how much more power does the auto sap from the engine than a manual before it goes to the wheels?

Ultimately, manual is going to be more overall fun I think, but living in LA, I always envy those around me who are in an auto. But manual is manual? Help...
Maybe take a look inward. There's more than just the mechanics of shifting involved here.

Driving a car with MT in traffic is very much what you make of it - which can be anywhere from being envious of those who are driving AT cars because they have such an easier time of it to having downright pity for them because they're being such slackers.

From annoyance at having to do a lot of shifting to considering any shifting as being practice at getting better at it.

I've done a bit of autocrossing at different times since the 1970's, with a little TSD sports car rallying (an activity that's not always as tame as it sounds) mixed in. Now, I'm into at least occasional track driving. None of those activities emphasize quick shifting, which really aligns more closely with drag racing. Which is the automotive performance driving activity that most people pick up on first (and some people never get past). Automatics are far better than they used to be, but I think they still take something away from your development as a driver.

What I'm getting at is that there's a difference between being predictive about what gear the transmission should be in, before it absolutely needs to be in that gear . . . vs being reactive, as happens with throttle-commanded AT downshifts.

Downshifting before the corner for the gear that you can squeeze into at least most of the way through corner exit to the "track out" cone vs cruising through the corner in a higher gear and making the downshift happen on the way out.

Yes, I understand that many ATs these days offer a manual control, but it's not the same and there generally is a lag between manually tapping a paddle or nudging the shift lever across a +/- gate and the shift happening.

I've been through the "it shifts quicker" discussion several times elsewhere, and I'll leave you with this question for now . . . on a road course, would you really think that having quicker shifting really does make you a better driver, or only makes it easier for you to fool yourself into believing that it does?


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Old 03-16-2019, 12:59 PM   #32
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So . . . momentum vs point and shoot, eh?


Strange as this may sound, straight line acceleration is not at the top of everybody's list of favorite automotive performance metrics.


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Old 03-16-2019, 02:44 PM   #33
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Manual.

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Old 03-16-2019, 03:58 PM   #34
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Defeats the purpose of getting a car like the BRZ if AT..

If AT coupe, I'd look into something like a Q60RS, A5/S5, or 4-series Bimmer.
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Old 03-16-2019, 10:13 PM   #35
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A coupe is great.... if you have another car for other duties. The FA really isnt as much of a pig down low, it makes torque quite early. Itll still be faster than a BRZ.

4 doors does make life easier, i didnt enjoy ONLY having 2 doors when I had like... friends I needed to pick up (previous car before the wrx was a coupe). crawling into a back seat ****ing blows.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:07 PM   #36
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Pros and cons of each. Create a list of what parts would be needed to make it a capable autocross car. See what fits your budget and go from there.

I would pick the WRX for the power, AWD, and the interior space. That's just me though.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:07 AM   #37
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Hi all,

Thanks to the other thread I have decided and finalized on the BRZ.
Might want to update your other thread with that bit of information.


FWIW, when our two kids were little we were driving a sub-95" wheelbase subcompact hatchback. Child seats weren't as big back then but we could always find a way to make it work, even for week-long vacation trips for the four of us. Heh . . . like the BRZ today, that car was fun enough to drive that it was really easy to overlook the inconveniences (who said life was supposed to always be easy, anyway?).


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Old 03-18-2019, 07:43 AM   #38
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SirBrass-

I think you missed the entire point of my comment, and are letting the cars overall good balance and GREAT track tendencies cloud the FACT it is a car that simply does not accelerate in an enjoyable manner (down shifting happens on braking so that wont change anything). Might read over how much I talk the car up overall and simply point out if you want something fun AFTER the corner is over this isn't it.
I owned the car for 4.5 years, and after putting in only about $2k of exhaust and tune work (catless UEL headers, catted fp/op w/ resonator, Q300 CBE, ecutek tune), that post-corner disappointment disappeared. It took me about 8 months of ownership before I got the exhaust work done, so I had a decent amount of time pre- and post-mod to feel the differences.
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Always a tough decision!
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