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Old 03-12-2019, 05:38 PM   #1
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Unhappy BRZ or WRX?

Hello,

I am debating between purchasing a BRZ or WRX for myself.

I am married with a 6 month old child, with no plans on baby #2 anytime soon, at least that's what's planned...I will be using this car only for myself with my son being the occasional passenger. When we are in the car as a family, we use my wife's car.

My indecisiveness stems from the following:

Weight factor. I plan to autocross and track the car as a hobby, not competitive, at least not yet. I wonder if the BRZ is cheaper to maintain with less wear and tear on parts since it weighs 500 lbs. lighter. I personally edge slightly towards the BRZ, but a good case can be made for the WRX as well.

Infant/Child seats. Can anyone comment on having an infant and/or child seat inside the BRZ?

Appreciate all the insight. I tried searching but could not find anything specifically on this topic.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:43 PM   #2
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2 door coupes are a bad idea especially on a rainy day where you need to buckle in your kid.
Atleast with a 4 door you can easily both enter the car and close the door behind you, then buckle in your kid especially during a down pour.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:47 PM   #3
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That said once the kid can buckle themselves, the BRZ is too small and end up with foot / shoe prints on the seat backs.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:12 PM   #4
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I've been having the same dilemma (though I'm >60 and retired, and have different car needs).

If the BRZ had the WRX engine, it would be a no-brainer. But it doesn't, and likely never will. I lean towards pulling the trigger on a WRX most of the time because it's (perhaps arguably) the better drivers car and more 'practical'. But I love the looks and just the feel of the BRZ.

Would it be crazy to buy one of each? My wife drives a Crosstrek... would it be completely insane to be all-Subaru all the time, and have 3 cars - all of which are Subaru? Does anyone else have multiple Subarus?

FWIW, if you have a child, you also likely have to haul all the accessories of a child. The WRX is probably the more practical choice.

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I've done the small 2 door with a child. Even if it is rare occasion it is a royal pain in the ass. I vote WRX.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:20 PM   #6
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Analogman- Buy one of each sounds good to me.
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Thanks for all your input everyone...

Rain won't really be an issue for me as I have covered parking and live in Socal.

I plan on removing the passenger front seat if I get the BRZ (that's how confident I am that I will have no passengers besides my son). Would that help the child seat situation much or would it still be a huge pain?

On buying both...I would and buy 8 other cars too if I could...
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:25 PM   #8
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Traded in a BRZ for an STI. Two completely different worlds.

Loved the BRZ and would own another one, but I didn't wanna bother with the car seats anymore after 2 months.

Love the STI too, but nothing beats the handling on the BRZ.
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Get the BRZ, if this were your main family car the WRX would be better pick. Since space isn't an issue the BRZ will be alot more enjoyable at the track given its much lighter,rwd, and has a very nice/low seating position. When you're sitting on a WRX/STI you don't feel as connected to the car because despite adjusting the seat it still feels like you're sitting in a generic sedan. Drive both though, maybe you'd prefer the nice planted feel with the AWD or the launch. Steering feels way better on the BRZ. Before I got my 05 STI I thoroughly test drove a 2016 WRX, that seems to be what I gathered at the time.
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For track duty, the BRZ is going to be less trouble and cost a lot less to run. You'll learn the line better because you have to keep your momentum going. You can't use the car's power as a crutch. You've already said that you'll use the wife's car if you're going somewhere as a family, so heck....you could get anything, right? Miata. Used Elise.
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:00 AM   #11
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Thanks for all your input everyone...

Rain won't really be an issue for me as I have covered parking and live in Socal.

I plan on removing the passenger front seat if I get the BRZ (that's how confident I am that I will have no passengers besides my son). Would that help the child seat situation much or would it still be a huge pain?

On buying both...I would and buy 8 other cars too if I could...
That's good, where I live, I had to take my kids to day care, pre-school, kindergarden, library, super market, restaurants, etc where all of them had zero cover while I dug my kid in and out of my 2 door coupe. It got old very quick and just bought a hatchback for practicality while keeping my coupe. The door switches and panels got completely drenched one time in the rain while I was buckling in my kid which brought concern of causing a short.

Also owned a 2 seater at the time too which made even less sense for family which was perfectly fine. Just because you have kids doesn't have to mean you have to give up on your fun things. I never did.
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:39 AM   #12
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You'll enjoy driving the BRZ and you would appreciate the WRX more for everyday driving lol Flip a coin?

If you could afford it, money saved with buying a BRZ (used maybe?) You could buy a cheap 4 door beater for the occasion when you need the extra doors.
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Hello,

I am debating between purchasing a BRZ or WRX for myself.

I am married with a 6 month old child, with no plans on baby #2 anytime soon, at least that's what's planned...I will be using this car only for myself with my son being the occasional passenger. When we are in the car as a family, we use my wife's car.

My indecisiveness stems from the following:

Weight factor. I plan to autocross and track the car as a hobby, not competitive, at least not yet. I wonder if the BRZ is cheaper to maintain with less wear and tear on parts since it weighs 500 lbs. lighter. I personally edge slightly towards the BRZ, but a good case can be made for the WRX as well.

Infant/Child seats. Can anyone comment on having an infant and/or child seat inside the BRZ?

Appreciate all the insight. I tried searching but could not find anything specifically on this topic.
BRZ. Hands down. Better gas mileage, cheaper, more fun, cheaper to insure, great handling, fantastic transmission.

I have owned and loved both. Went from an 05 Forester to an 08 WRX to a 13 STI, to a 14 BRZ then to my current 19 WRX. Went to the WRX because we needed my daily to be a backup family vehicle and my wife wouldn't let me get another 2dr even though she's the one who caused my BRZ to be totaled, necessitating the purchase of a replacement.

Since you've stated that this will not be a backup family vehicle in addition to your daily, then the BRZ becomes a viable option.

Since you're in SoCal, AWD has little overall benefit to you during winter months. You can run summer tires year round just fine with RWD no problem. I did it for our entire time living in SoCal near Pendleton. PSS's year round on stock BRZ wheels.

Nothing carves up backroads like a lightly modified BRZ. WRX might go faster, but the BRZ is more naturally agile and despite having lower power is way more fun to drive.

I mean WAY more fun. That low seating position, excellent steering, aisin 6MT, and near perfect suspension from the factory (seriously. no mods needed, not even sway bars. Just get better tires and maybe lighter wheels but with OEM dimensions) is just fantastic. You can go nearly flat out into corners where in a WRX or STI you'd have to do some hard braking beforehand. The BRZ, just downshift, let off throttle a bit before corner entry, set steering, hold throttle, hit apex, floor it out.

It's a car you can safely go bug nuts with. The newer models have revised gearing so that when you hit the top of the rev band, your upshift doesn't land you back into the torque dip, but just after it, giving you 4000rpm of post-torque-dip to play with.

Get the top trim level. It's worth it for the added comfort that this otherwise back-to-basics car needs to be a comfortable daily.

If you need a baby-hauler with another adult in the car as well, the WRX will suit you far better, however. But if it's just going to be just you and sometimes the boy, BRZ. It's not that big of a pain to get the infant carrier in and out of the back when you don't have another adult passenger, and when he gets big enough for a fixed convertible seat, same thing. When he transitions to front-facing, it gets way easier and you'll be able to have a front passenger at the same time at that point as well.

Either way, both cars are great, but having owned my BRZ for 4.5 years, with 3.5 of them driving the backroads of the mountains between I-5 and I-15 between LA & SD, I can say with absolute confidence that the BRZ will be vastly more enjoyable to drive.

Invest in shifter mods (rear bushing, KB short shift lever, light weight custom knob from whomever, and mtech shifter springs), engine-back exhaust (headers, front pipe/over pipe, catback is optional for performance reasons), and get an ecutek tune. No real need for a supercharger when you learn to drive and shift with this thing. It will teach you to drive a slow car fast if you let it. And you'll find just how fun being able to access 10/10ths of the car's available power is while driving on the street. It's a satisfying feeling that beats not being able to do so with a much more powerful car.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:51 AM   #14
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With a 6 month old baby, I would get a hatchback for sure...

I have a 2003 WRX, and I love the two door cars, but my daughter is approaching 3, and I can't imagine trying to do everything I need in a BRZ. If I could have a second car, I would do both. I track the WRX, and it's fine as track and daily driver.
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With a 6 month old baby, I would get a hatchback for sure...

I have a 2003 WRX, and I love the two door cars, but my daughter is approaching 3, and I can't imagine trying to do everything I need in a BRZ. If I could have a second car, I would do both. I track the WRX, and it's fine as track and daily driver.
My BRZ was totaled when our daughter (who was not in the car at the time) was 3.5 months old. It was no trouble getting her in and out of the vehicle unless it was both my wife and I in the vehicle as well.

We also had a "surprise we're inducing you today!" labor. So, my wife's sedan was at the hospital and we weren't yet packed (3 weeks to go, we had a bit of time we thought.... surprise!). So, I had to pack up the car seat to be installed, the stroller (jogging stroller. they do not collapse to very compact forms), ALL of my wife's pillows (she basically pillow-forted up each night while pregnant, leaving me essentially sleeping in a twin-sized bed despite the mattress being a queen), a bag for me, bags for her, newborn bag, etc, etc in the BRZ. Except for the low trunk height, it all worked fine. Took me only five minutes to pack the car and I still had full rear window visibility and nothing intruding into the driver's side section of the front passenger compartment.

If the vehicle has to function as a backup family car at times, the BRZ is going to be a pain. However, reading what the OP has said about the uses of the car and that he's not going to be using it as a regular baby-hauler (only occassionally and it'll be just him and his son, wife not accompanying), WRX doesn't have as many benefits as its major benefits are the awd for less than perfect weather (SoCal. Weather is in summer conditions year-round) and it can family (dedicated individual use car with only occassional baby-hauling, therefore doesn't apply). Otherwise, driving dynamics and driver engagement goes to the BRZ hands down, no contest.

For sheer driver enjoyment, it's very difficult to beat the BRZ at that price point. The MX-5 RF will do it but is about $5k more. Hot hatches absolutely won't tick those boxes (fwd, torque steer issues) and Porche is at minimum more than 2x the cost.
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similar in price, but you get so much more out of wrx than BRZ.
What you would get in BRZ would be looks, which does far better than WRX.
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for the kid i have to say wrx, i've been in the back of my friend's brz and no way is a car seat gona fit once the kid is over 8 months old.
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For track duty, the BRZ is going to be less trouble and cost a lot less to run. You'll learn the line better because you have to keep your momentum going. You can't use the car's power as a crutch. You've already said that you'll use the wife's car if you're going somewhere as a family, so heck....you could get anything, right? Miata. Used Elise.
I vote used lotus as well!!! Just find a euro version (they are even lighter)

But as for the wrx/brz I have a friend that does the no front seat thing in his brz for the same reason. He was very happy with the choice!!! Also the brz will cost less to track, it will be a better learning tool and it will be depressing when you lay your foot into it, lol.
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I vote used lotus as well!!! Just find a euro version (they are even lighter)

But as for the wrx/brz I have a friend that does the no front seat thing in his brz for the same reason. He was very happy with the choice!!! Also the brz will cost less to track, it will be a better learning tool and it will be depressing when you lay your foot into it, lol.
It's actually not boring at all to lay your foot into it. Just downshift and put foot to the floor. You won't get the turbo "wham!" of acceleration, as the power delivery is very linear like NA engine response should be, but with proper shifting it's not weak. What is thrilling is high tailing it into a corner going way faster than you would in a sedan, and feeling the lateral g's while the car just GRIIIIIIIPS and you cross the apex and floor it out of there.
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Thanks for all the feedback! I'm very excited to see that NASIOC forums are alive and kicking.

For the BRZ votes and users, would you say the suspension is too stiff for an infant or child? Again, I don't plan to have him in my car too often, but for the times I do, I don't want the ride to be too unforgiving?

I also plan to remove and store the front seat in the BRZ so I have easy access to the back seat.

I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I've test driven the BRZ, but I can't drive more than a mile, so it doesn't really give me a good idea of how the car will be in various situations.

I'm honestly leaning BRZ at this point...Lotus and Miata would be out of the question since they have no back seats, and me being 6"4 doesn't help either (legroom).
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It's actually not boring at all to lay your foot into it. Just downshift and put foot to the floor. You won't get the turbo "wham!" of acceleration, as the power delivery is very linear like NA engine response should be, but with proper shifting it's not weak. What is thrilling is high tailing it into a corner going way faster than you would in a sedan, and feeling the lateral g's while the car just GRIIIIIIIPS and you cross the apex and floor it out of there.
Before my Mustang I had a 05 WRX. I went from awd grip to "let's kick the back out and die." I look forward to going back to a car that can handle, and from the looks of it, handle phenomenally.

I still plan on keeping my mustang, and throwing a supercharger on it. I was tracking the mustang at some point, but 3600 lbs. + 19 inch tires + brembos = $$$$ that I don't have.
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It's actually not boring at all to lay your foot into it. Just downshift and put foot to the floor. You won't get the turbo "wham!" of acceleration, as the power delivery is very linear like NA engine response should be, but with proper shifting it's not weak. What is thrilling is high tailing it into a corner going way faster than you would in a sedan, and feeling the lateral g's while the car just GRIIIIIIIPS and you cross the apex and floor it out of there.
Lol . . . The laying your foot in part is DEPRESSING!!! I have never felt so short on power in my life (driven plenty of 150-180whp cars) that is a fact. The grip/balance/genneral performance is GREAT. But trying to talk up the feeling of power is simply a joke.

Op I think your on the right track, but fyi my brother is 6'5" and has fit in a lotus fine, the american versions have more room than you think (and more weight).

Regardless if you dislike the car ship it to Oregon and you can basically break even after a year, my co-worker gets a new subaru every year and has yet to lose more then the licence/title fee's.
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Thanks for all the feedback! I'm very excited to see that NASIOC forums are alive and kicking.

For the BRZ votes and users, would you say the suspension is too stiff for an infant or child? Again, I don't plan to have him in my car too often, but for the times I do, I don't want the ride to be too unforgiving?

I also plan to remove and store the front seat in the BRZ so I have easy access to the back seat.

I'm sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I've test driven the BRZ, but I can't drive more than a mile, so it doesn't really give me a good idea of how the car will be in various situations.

I'm honestly leaning BRZ at this point...Lotus and Miata would be out of the question since they have no back seats, and me being 6"4 doesn't help either (legroom).
The stock suspension is pretty forgiving on potholes. I doubt it'd be much of an issue. And this is from someone who lives in AZ, the land of road crack and potholes, losing only to California.
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Wink BRZ Auto or Manual??

Hi all,

Thanks to the other thread I have decided and finalized on the BRZ. Originally I was defaulting to manual but after watching a few reviews the auto has grabbed my attention. I have a few questions to ask that I can't seem to find any threads or worthwhile YouTube videos on.

Background:

- I plan to DD this car, and to use on autocross or track events.
- I live in LA, and while my daily commute currently is about 15 miles, it still takes about 30 min., and occasionally I need to drive considerable distances for work, through LA traffic.

My questions are as follows:

- For those with an auto BRZ, is it reliable enough to not break on the track? Is the power delivery so skewed with the longer gears that it significantly affects lap times?
- Does an auto really take away from the driving experience? I've test driven both (short distance unfortunately) and the quick shifts of the auto seem pretty satisfying?
- Roughly how much more power does the auto sap from the engine than a manual before it goes to the wheels?

Ultimately, manual is going to be more overall fun I think, but living in LA, I always envy those around me who are in an auto. But manual is manual? Help...
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Don't get the AT! You will regret it. The 6MT in the BRZ is one of the absolute best MTs out there and the absolute best to shift in any Subaru (STI 6MT is stronger, but the BRZ's aisin 6MT is freaking amazing).

Also, the AT has a taller final drive, so it will be feeling sluggish compared to the 6MT.

This is a momentum car. The extra hundred pounds added by the AT will diminish acceleration by reducing power to weight.

Also, no AT has that connection to driving like an MT has, and driver engagement is what the BRZ is all about. Reduce that and you begin to negate the reasons to get a BRZ in the first place. You have very limited power in the car (kind of the point of a momentum car), and sapping that with the weight of planetary gears and torque converter just robs it of the spiritedness that is characteristic of it. It may be more comfortable in traffic, but when you want to open it up and really enjoy the car, that AT will be holding you back and leaving you disappointed. Might as well have gotten a CVT WRX.

Getting an AT BRZ is almost as blasphemously heretical as getting a Miata with an AT.

I've driven around LA when I had my BRZ in 6MT and it was no bother whatsoever. If you've been driving stick for years, you'll find the car is no bother to shift in traffic. Clutch isn't heavy at all, and gears engage easily.

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