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Old 10-24-2002, 01:39 PM   #1
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Default Sighting: 80 east @ Northgate.. GONE BAD

Saw a debadged silver WRX sedan when I pulled onto 80 east from Northgate this monring in sac around 9:00am. We both waved... all is well. You zoomed past, but about 5 miles down the road I caught up and you had been pulled over by what looked like an unmarked white sedan! Hope everything is okay!

Two silver subies pulled over in the last week in Sac...
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Old 10-24-2002, 08:52 PM   #2
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hmm unmarked white sedan.....oh joy now I gots to be fearing ........terrible terrible
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:07 PM   #3
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StankFootZ,

That was me unfortunately. I got pulled over by an unmarked Sacramento Sheriff's car just after spotting you. He wrote me up for doing 90 in a 65. He said, "you passed me doing 90!' and I said, well I didn't see you, but yes I was speeding and you got me.

That was the most non-descript police car I've seen in a while, I didn't get the make because I was too pissed about being pulled over. It was like a mid-sized oldsmobile or something, definately not any kind of cruiser. He was probably just a plain clothes investigator on his way to work. I don't think he was patrolling the freeway.

I was moving pretty good East Bound on i-80. It had opened up right after the light rail station so I was definately pushing 90+. Then he was on my a$$, I still didn't know it was him. I moved right one lane and he was still coming. I kept accelerating just stay out of the way. I can't really blame him for making me speed though. If I had known, I probably could have slowed down and maybe he wouldn't have stopped me.

So the message here is watch everywhere for the smokies.

Anyone know if getting tagged for doing 90 (+25 over limit) is any kind of special citation? Or is it just like any other speeding ticket?
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:27 PM   #4
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Well, despite you getting it a ticket, it's still nice to have a reciprical sighting with some one I haven't met at a meet yet (I think ). Hope everything goes okay and traffic school can erase this one.
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:55 PM   #5
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Just a FYI...you don't have to pull over for unmarked police cars, even if they have lights. Any guy can buy a Crown Vic and a flashing red and blue lightbar at Radio Shack. You should have just outran him.

But the only time you have to pull over is when they are in a marked police car and have a full duty uniform on. You probably would not have got in trouble for running from this guy. Especially when he wasn't in uniform, wasn't in a marked car (not even a crown vic) and was chasing after you. You could have just said you thought he was some nut trying to chase you down.
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Old 10-24-2002, 11:40 PM   #6
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Just a FYI...you don't have to pull over for unmarked police cars, even if they have lights. Any guy can buy a Crown Vic and a flashing red and blue lightbar at Radio Shack. You should have just outran him.

But the only time you have to pull over is when they are in a marked police car and have a full duty uniform on. You probably would not have got in trouble for running from this guy. Especially when he wasn't in uniform, wasn't in a marked car (not even a crown vic) and was chasing after you. You could have just said you thought he was some nut trying to chase you down.
I'm not sure running from the guy would have been the best thing. I'm sure he could have radio'd the highway patrol from the weigh station 2 miles away and then I would have been likely arrested and my car impounded. I'll take my licks and sign the ticket anyday. That is interesting information though.

Is there any reason I should go to traffic school? I don't my insurance company, State Farm, will raise rates based on one ticket and I think going to traffic school is more expensive than just paying the ticket? I think you have to pay for the ticket and the school, whereas before it was just for traffic school and not the ticket. I was thinking of saving traffic school if I got another ticket in the near future.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:23 AM   #7
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I think you're best chance is to plead not guilty and show up in court to fight it. Since he's most likely a detective, chances are he won't show up in court, then you win automatically. If you are found guilty, pay the fine and goto traffic school. Good luck!
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:54 AM   #8
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Couple of things here:

1: Is it true that you don't have to stop for an unmarked car? It sounds like an urban myth, but I can easily see it being true. However, true is different from free ride - as you mentioned, if you don't stop for him he'll probably get your plate and radio in to his uniformed buddies. If you ran he might assume you were running for another reason, giving him probable cause.

2. Given the option, I'd always go to traffic school - having a point for a car as insurance-expensive as the WRX will usually cost you more in insurance in the long run, and remember it generally takes 3 years for that to clear (at least as far as ins is concerned). You might want to call up State Farm and ask how it would affect a policy in such a situation (might not want to tell them who you are).

I think it's generally more expensive to take traffic school (you have to pay for the school too), but that's because you get to delete a point. I can't vouch for detectives not showing up as much, remember these guys get paid time and a half for showing up in court, so they have a pretty good incentive.

HOWEVER, if you read up on to win in traffic court, it might be possible to have him trip up on a technicality - since traffic stops may not be his daily grind, he may be more likely to lapse on requisite inspections - speedometer calibration, tire pressure, stuff that affects his ability to check your speed while pacing.

What you should NOT have done is admit fault. Even if you feel (rightly) that you deserved the ticket and he caught you in fair game, there is no need to incriminate yourself. Be assured that he remembers that and either noted it down or will use it against you in court - and that destroys any chance you have of winning (unless he doesn't show up).

Police will actually try to trick you into intimidating yourself - they'll pull you over and ask questions like "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "Do you know how fast you were going?" The only correct answers to these questions are: "Why did you pull me over?" and "How fast was I going?" Don't help them fill out the citation.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:57 AM   #9
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I think you're best chance is to plead not guilty and show up in court to fight it. Since he's most likely a detective, chances are he won't show up in court, then you win automatically. If you are found guilty, pay the fine and goto traffic school. Good luck!
Do you have the option of still attending traffic school if you fight the ticket and lose? I thought you might lose that to the mercy of the judge...

Also, they say that fighting a ticket is never good but showing up for the arraignment is - if it's crowded sometimes the judge will say stuff like "everyone with a speeding ticket can have their fine reduced to $75 with traffic school" just to clear it out. Or if you've already gone to traffic school the judge might let you go again if you ask....Never happened to me but this is from my traffic school instructor.
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:14 AM   #10
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I'm glad its so freakin hard for me to get my car to 80+

(yes, ive driven rex's... i know how its so amazing how you can cruise at 80+ like your going 30mph or something)
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:21 AM   #11
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You: So, did you have a radar gun to determine my speed?
Cop: Ugh no, I was pacing you.
You: I see, so when was the last time you had the speedometer in your car calibrated?
Cop: Uhh...it's not a patrol car. The speedometer wasn't calibrated. But I'm pretty sure you were doing 90MPH.
Judge: Case dismissed.

Hopefully, that's what will happen. But it sounds like you have a pretty good case. Also, if you have a clean driving record the judge will take that into consideration as well. The cop knows he was guesstimating you speed, so most likely he won't bother showing up for this.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:25 PM   #12
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That is a bad spot on 80. I got nailed there a little over a year ago for doing 90 there also...
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:44 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jake Steed
You: So, did you have a radar gun to determine my speed?
Cop: Ugh no, I was pacing you.
You: I see, so when was the last time you had the speedometer in your car calibrated?
Cop: Uhh...it's not a patrol car. The speedometer wasn't calibrated. But I'm pretty sure you were doing 90MPH.
Judge: Case dismissed.
This is very true. A non-patrol car would never have the calibrated speedo...good point.

Ask a Judge if you can be pulled by a unmarked, non-patrol car for an infraction.

Always do traffic school if it comes down to it.

Fight the ticket, if you have a clean record judge should let you do traffic school.

Check here for legal help
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:08 PM   #14
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Ask a Judge if you can be pulled by a unmarked, non-patrol car for an infraction.
You can ... check the CVC.

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Do you have the option of still attending traffic school if you fight the ticket and lose?
Usually you will lose that opportunity, unless you have a nice judge on a good day. If you can take traffic school, DO IT. Unless you have a concrete case, which you don't, since you admitted guilt on the scene.

Your insurance WILL go up with just one point, and you will reset the clock on getting a good driver discount in the future.
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Old 10-25-2002, 04:44 PM   #15
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Check here for legal help
MOST defenantly go to that site and read up on how to fight the ticket via snail mail. From what I have read from that site and listening to others, its your best way out of the ticket. If that attempt fails, I do belive your still able to take traffic school.

I went through that site when it was first posted here a few weeks ago and its VERY informative !
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