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Old 11-10-2018, 04:53 PM   #576
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Yes, another reason why not having a properly working CarPlay isn't that big of a deal on my 19 WRX Limited as well as I just use Siri.
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Old 11-10-2018, 05:51 PM   #577
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In my 19 Outback, I don't have to touch anything. Just say, "OK Google" and then say what you want. No buttons required.
Problem there is the phone hearing you over the car. That's the issue I had with AA in my BRZ (just used AA on my phone, not the HU). It often couldn't hear me.
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Old 11-10-2018, 07:48 PM   #578
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AA should hook up with your car's microphone.. which could definitely also have problem hearing you over music.
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Problem there is the phone hearing you over the car. That's the issue I had with AA in my BRZ (just used AA on my phone, not the HU). It often couldn't hear me.
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Old 11-10-2018, 09:24 PM   #579
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AA should hook up with your car's microphone.. which could definitely also have problem hearing you over music.
I've found it only easily hears me when idling, even though on phone conversations folks say I come in nice and clear. Google assistant is fairly particular about background noise. Some low frequency stuff seems to confuse it when trying to get its attention but not when issuing commands.

So I just hit the talk button on the SWC. Its as easy as speaking "Hey Google" or "Okay Google". Easier for me actually.

I love the integration. Much bigger and easier to see when glancing quickly than at my own phone's screen. SWC makes pausing frustration-free. That's a big issue I've had just using my phone without HU AA integration.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:39 PM   #580
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Went from 2016 WRX Limited to 2019 STI Limited w/ short throw shifter & auto-dimming mirror/compass as of October.
Impressions after 1 month:
-Better steering than my WRX since it is hydraulic assist and faster ratio
-Much better braking due to the 6 piston Brembos
-Love the 19 inch rims and yellow Brembos
-at 2K miles already a buzzing sound on rear parcel shelf that some people have also mentioned. Same issue in my 2016 WRX. Subaru couldn't address this issue after all these years?
-Love the interior- Recaro seats w/ the Alcantara centers
-AA a welcome addition
-Nav has better graphics and has faster response than in my 2016
-Engine does fall a little flat in the 4500-5500 rpm range but this was addressed with the Cobb AP- OTS map 93 octane
-Have had similar issue on 3 occasions where the radio stays on AFTER the door is opened to exit. I would close the door and re-open it and then the radio turns off.

Other than that the car is a blast to look at and drive. Getting a ProTune in a couple of months.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:44 PM   #581
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That improved steering is due to the quicker rack, not due to hydraulic vs EPS.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:38 AM   #582
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No that is not true. HPS usually provides better feedback/feel of the road as opposed to the EPS,at least that is my subjective feeling, and the quicker ratio does just that, less steering wheel angle needed as opposed to my 2016 WRX. I feel the road surface that much better in my 2019 STI than my 2016 WRX.

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Old 11-14-2018, 10:57 AM   #583
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Considering both are steering assist, not steer by wire, both have the wheel connected to the steering column which directly connects to the steering rack. The assist, whether by electric motor or hydraulics, still only assists, not takes over.

The reason you subjectively feel more feedback is most likely due to the suspension than the mechanism used to assist you in applying enough torque to the steering column shaft to move the rack from side to side.

The BRZ is EPS and feels way better than the STI. It's the suspension tuning in the front and the amount of assist provided. The quicker racks tend to be "heavier" in feel which helps provide a subjective improvement in feedback.

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Old 11-14-2018, 12:00 PM   #584
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Hydraulic does provide a lot more feedback whether good or bad which is partly affected by the suspension but considering the wheels width, ET, and tire sizes are the same between my 16 STI and 19 WRX it’s more to do with the electric steering’s program. Electric Streeting mandates more of what it feedback removing a lot of the tramlining as it should.

I’m not much of a fan of the hydraulic steering on my STI but it is old school which I like.
And given own both cars, I will say with confidence that the STI is superior in every way over the WRX except for comfort.
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:04 PM   #585
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No question that the STI performs better. However, if you drive the BRZ you'll probably find just as much feedback through the steering, and it's EPS not hydraulic.
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:27 PM   #586
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I’ve driven the BRZ many times. I’m not saying EPS is bad, actually the WRX’s steering feels pretty good!
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:34 PM   #587
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Iíve driven the BRZ many times. Iím not saying EPS is bad, actually the WRXís steering feels pretty good!
Understood. And yes it feels light-years better than what my 13 STI's steering felt like. I'd have to test drive the current STI to see how steering compares.
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Old 11-14-2018, 01:32 PM   #588
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Understood. And yes it feels light-years better than what my 13 STI's steering felt like. I'd have to test drive the current STI to see how steering compares.
The STI has a 13:1 ratio while the WRX is 14-something:1, iirc. So the STI feels a little quicker with more feedback too with the hydraulic steering.
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Old 11-14-2018, 01:49 PM   #589
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Considering both are steering assist, not steer by wire, both have the wheel connected to the steering column which directly connects to the steering rack. The assist, whether by electric motor or hydraulics, still only assists, not takes over.

The reason you subjectively feel more feedback is most likely due to the suspension than the mechanism used to assist you in applying enough torque to the steering column shaft to move the rack from side to side.

The BRZ is EPS and feels way better than the STI. It's the suspension tuning in the front and the amount of assist provided. The quicker racks tend to be "heavier" in feel which helps provide a subjective improvement in feedback.
I see. I thought the WRX EPS was steer by wire. Then it makes sense that the different suspension tuning on the STI and the quicker rack aid in that more improved feel of the road. I'll take it either way!
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:12 PM   #590
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Hydraulic does provide a lot more feedback whether good or bad which is partly affected by the suspension but considering the wheels width, ET, and tire sizes are the same between my 16 STI and 19 WRX it’s more to do with the electric steering’s program. Electric Streeting mandates more of what it feedback removing a lot of the tramlining as it should.

I’m not much of a fan of the hydraulic steering on my STI but it is old school which I like.
And given own both cars, I will say with confidence that the STI is superior in every way over the WRX except for comfort.
I agree, the STI is superior in every way except comfort but I rather enjoy the slightly stiffer suspension. I also notice another difference between the two cars. My 2016 WRX would bump steer which was very annoying. My STI does not exhibit this trait. I am guessing different suspension geometry or something along those lines.
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:41 PM   #591
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I agree, the STI is superior in every way except comfort but I rather enjoy the slightly stiffer suspension. I also notice another difference between the two cars. My 2016 WRX would bump steer which was very annoying. My STI does not exhibit this trait. I am guessing different suspension geometry or something along those lines.
On weekend drives Iím with you on the STI. But for daily driving, WRX is the clear winner here.. well, given one does at least the AP, Perrin shifter stop, and muffler delete.

Yeah stiffer suspension does improve bump steer resistance and I think the rack ratio might have something to do that too, as it takes more effort to turn. My WRX does not exhibit bump steer that I notice. Itís truely a nice steering system and it is a joy to drive. Iím not a big fan of my STIís rubbery-feel steering. Perhaps Subaru improved that on the 18+ refresh as well.

Maybe the next gen STI will come with drive modes like adjustable damping.
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Old 11-14-2018, 03:00 PM   #592
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I see. I thought the WRX EPS was steer by wire. Then it makes sense that the different suspension tuning on the STI and the quicker rack aid in that more improved feel of the road. I'll take it either way!
You'll know a car is "steer by wire" (wheel has a motor to simulate resistance just like a video game racing wheel, and a position sensor which sends commands to the actual rack driver which operates the steering rack) when it advertises "variable ratio steering" it something equivalent. That's the main reason it's done.

When the steering is a fixed rate, there's zero reason to not have the steering wheel itself physically drive the rack. It's simpler. The main difference between hydraulic & electronic power steering is how the power assist is achieved.

From a design standpoint, EPS is superior. You don't have to worry about an additional flood source or pump on the motor to suck power, and the system can be more compact as well. You still have steering angle sensors on both to tell the computer how much assist to give (it also takes vehicle speed into account as power steering is better described as power assist). But at the end of the day, it's still your muscles via the steering wheel driving the rotation of the steering shaft to change steering angle on the wheel hubs. You just have additional mechanical torque advantage via hydraulics or an electric motor letting you have a faster rack without you needing lots of muscle power to turn the car.
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Old 11-14-2018, 03:08 PM   #593
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On my other car the EPS stiffens in Race mode and such which is real nice. I never liked Nissan’s DAS but EPS is a ‘go’ for me.
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Old 11-14-2018, 03:17 PM   #594
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I also have a 2018. I saw the RA in person last week, the carbon fiber spoiler and roof looks pretty sweet but I'm not sure it's worth the extra $$. However, looking for some pricing on the spoiler, it's over 3k. Yikes!
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