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Old 09-15-2021, 04:04 PM   #1876
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Thanks. Not identical of course but similar themes. The fender flare design more closely resembles the Outback Wilderness. The back of the Lexus isn't shown from this angle but it also sticks out like the WRX. It's just weird seeing these design cues on a car. Seems like Subaru went the other direction from Honda who went away from black plastic and more upscale with the look of the new Civic.
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:47 PM   #1877
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Anyone know if the SPT has a center differential? Justy?

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Old 09-15-2021, 05:55 PM   #1878
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It's just kinda funny because Subaru had the Impreza GT in 2009 and 2010, and it feels like we've circled back around to that car in a way. I know it's totally different how it came about and what its purpose was, but I still think about that car sometimes.
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I forgot about the Impreza 2.5GT.
I remember it quite well, as I am one of the ~5 people who owned one. It had its charms.

The new GT trim certainly reminded me of that old car, but yes, we're in a very different situation now. I've never heard it officially confirmed, but the 2009-2010 Impreza GT really seemed like a last-second improvised plan for using up 2008 WRX suspension/engine part commitments after the WRX got the rapid-fire refresh in 2009. The new WRX GT seems intentional and planned.

One detail I found interesting is that the 2022 automatic WRX retains the 45/55 center-diff VTD AWD system it's had (again) since 2015, at least according to Motor Trend (I couldn't find any mention in the corporate PR materials). In 2008, they quietly dropped VTD from the automatic WRX (and subsequently 2009-2010 Impreza GT) in favor of the plain-vanilla front-biased Active AWD system, one of the many conspicuous indications of cost-cutting on that generation of Impreza.

If Subaru had wanted to cheap out on the 2022, VTD would have been an easy target on the automatic. They probably could have cut costs and seen a marginal MPG improvement by axing it in favor of Active AWD. And it's not like VTD has a lot of marketing equity that would justify including it just for gee-whiz value, since they've barely mentioned it for years.

I know that doesn't change anything for those who prefer manual and would have liked to see more drivetrain upgrades. I just think it's interesting and I'm curious to hear how it drives.
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Old 09-15-2021, 06:12 PM   #1879
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Anyone know if the SPT has a center differential? Justy?

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The press release on SOJ's site says the 6MT is "Center differential + Viscous coupling" while the SPT is "Variable Torque Distribution AWD (VTD-AWD)". VTD traditionally uses a mechanical center differential, I believe.
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:39 PM   #1880
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Old 09-15-2021, 08:20 PM   #1881
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Old 09-15-2021, 08:28 PM   #1882
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In 2014 motortrend said the below about the then new 2015 wrx.

“Throughout the Subaru WRX's existence, there have always been two constants: The next one is always uglier than the one before, and the new one is always slightly disappointing from a performance standpoint compared to the last one.”
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:34 PM   #1883
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That looks like *rap. Dammit Subaru!! Paint the entire car. Fix it before it hits production.
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:02 PM   #1884
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Subaru should roll it back and call it the 2022 Subaru WRX Official Production Concept. Just pretend like some marketing intern forgot to include the word "Concept" in the press releases.

Then bring out the WRX after the STI and just play it off as if they always meant to do that. No harm, no foul, right?
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:10 PM   #1885
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Anybody here think the new STI will be even close to the new Golf R on stock dyno #’s?
Stock they’re pushing 340-360 WHP depending on the dyno, elevation, fuel etc. pretty sure that’s the equivalent of 91 OCT they’re using in the test too. Figure 360 at least for USDM cars?
Insanely powerful. VW is sneaky lately with power ratings. I wouldn’t buy one @45K MSRP though much rather enjoy another rs when the market for used cars settles. In fact, if I can find another with 10k miles thats mint for 28 again I’ll be buying. I seriously think all Subaru sti guys should try one out if they don’t like the new sti.
I’m also Suprised no leaks from Japan have came out showing the sti yet
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:35 PM   #1886
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Subaru should roll it back and call it the 2022 Subaru WRX Official Production Concept. Just pretend like some marketing intern forgot to include the word "Concept" in the press releases.

Then bring out the WRX after the STI and just play it off as if they always meant to do that. No harm, no foul, right?








Some design intern put the F exhaust in the wrong place and then forgot to fix that part. All those forgetful interns.
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:40 PM   #1887
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completely hideous.
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Old 09-16-2021, 07:53 AM   #1888
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Lineartronic was always put with CVT. I personally think the moniker was meant to separate Subaru's CVT with the truly crappy ones of other companies.


i test drove a WRX w/CVT once just out of curiosity. HORRIBLE, rubber-bandy feel and just completely lame. salesman wanted to talk numbers ... "nah, i'm good."

the CVT in my wife's Mitsubishi OS econo-CUV is far better than the lump in the WRX.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:00 AM   #1889
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i test drove a WRX w/CVT once just out of curiosity. HORRIBLE, rubber-bandy feel and just completely lame. salesman wanted to talk numbers ... "nah, i'm good."

the CVT in my wife's Mitsubishi OS econo-CUV is far better than the lump in the WRX.
I have drove Subaru CVTs for years in Imprezas or Crosstreks. In that use they are okay from my experience. I don:t see wanting one in my WRX though. They promise in the GT something much more responsive, however I know from experience short of that you always have to think ahead of the transmission with the CVT and expect their will be a lag between application of throttle and receipt of response. As I valued the gas mileage for commuting, I was okay with it for its best use, commuting in a fuel sipper. Just not sure that fits with a WRX. I like what they say about the GT, but don:t know that I would buy one even if the fancy CVT is as good as promised.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:39 AM   #1890
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I have drove Subaru CVTs for years in Imprezas or Crosstreks. In that use they are okay from my experience. I don:t see wanting one in my WRX though. They promise in the GT something much more responsive, however I know from experience short of that you always have to think ahead of the transmission with the CVT and expect their will be a lag between application of throttle and receipt of response. As I valued the gas mileage for commuting, I was okay with it for its best use, commuting in a fuel sipper. Just not sure that fits with a WRX. I like what they say about the GT, but don:t know that I would buy one even if the fancy CVT is as good as promised.
We owned a 2011 Mitsu Outlander Sport for 3-4 years, so had a great idea of what a bad CVT experience was like before finally driving a "Lineratronic." Drove my brother in law's '17 Forester XT, and I was pleasantly surprised at how immediate it felt given my expectations. But overall, it was like any other automatic basically. Yeah, "manual" mode does the thing fine, ok. You use that the first time you drive it and never touch it again. Faster shifts or whatever, won't matter to me. (Honestly I wouldn't be any more likely to consider, say, a $0 upgrade to DCT if they offered that. Totally indifferent.)
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:42 AM   #1891
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I just got a 2022 Legacy for the wife and the CVT is horrible! i dont care what subaru says about the "sport" CVT...if CVT is still in the description i wont buy it...get a proper A/T and i'll look at it again...
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:46 AM   #1892
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We owned a 2011 Mitsu Outlander Sport for 3-4 years, so had a great idea of what a bad CVT experience was like before finally driving a "Lineratronic." Drove my brother in law's '17 Forester XT, and I was pleasantly surprised at how immediate it felt given my expectations. But overall, it was like any other automatic basically. Yeah, "manual" mode does the thing fine, ok. You use that the first time you drive it and never touch it again. Faster shifts or whatever, won't matter to me. (Honestly I wouldn't be any more likely to consider, say, a $0 upgrade to DCT if they offered that. Totally indifferent.)
My wife had a 2018 FXT and that CVT was horrible. I have only experienced a Subaru CVT, so others being worse is terrifying. The wife now has a 2020 Ascent, which is better than the FXT. However I would not call it great and I feel it is mostly because of programming logic.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:55 AM   #1893
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Nissan has been the worst that Ive driven. This was from a 2020 Rogue I rented for 2 weeks.
Jeep Patriot, 2010 or so. Trash
The Honda CVT from my BILs Accord 2017 was nice though.
The Crosstrek CVT 2013 I test drove was meh. Short drive.

Ive avoided CVTs like the plague.
Best auto transmissions Ive used have been the ZF ones (BMW335 and Dodge Charger). One of these days Ill try out my friend's 911 with PDK .
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:08 AM   #1894
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The Crosstrek CVT 2013 I test drove was meh. Short drive.
At least the CVT in the 2013 actually performed as a CVT - only problem with that car is the measly engine
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:25 AM   #1895
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:27 AM   #1896
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I'd gladly buy that "STI"
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:30 AM   #1897
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Same here.
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:31 AM   #1898
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That’s one nice looking golf cart. I don’t get it lol
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:48 AM   #1899
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I just got a 2022 Legacy for the wife and the CVT is horrible! i dont care what subaru says about the "sport" CVT...if CVT is still in the description i wont buy it...get a proper A/T and i'll look at it again...
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My wife had a 2018 FXT and that CVT was horrible. I have only experienced a Subaru CVT, so others being worse is terrifying.
My wife has a '17 Legacy. She doesn't notice the CVT being a "CVT". She said it drives normal like any other "automatic" vehicle she's owned

I can't stand driving her Legacy but at least it has decent power compared to the Crosstrek.
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You need to stop with your foolishness. I'm going to break a got damn keyboard, mouse, and monitor or throw something at the f'in wall in my home office. Got damnit! I'd bang that like the side of a tree on Endor!
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