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Old 07-12-2021, 04:39 PM   #51
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235/40/19? That's a small foot print for 472HP. So what's the MSRP?
itís basically a 4 door RC F, right? Iíd say low 60s.
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Old 07-12-2021, 04:59 PM   #52
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Honestly, as long as it's screwed together well that's a fine interior. For me, it's not about looks. It's about functionality followed closely by construction quality.

Sure it looks old. Subaru interiors look old too. However, only one of them rattles like a 1980 Chevy.
it's competition is far more modern, screwed together well and is very functional and high quality. there is no reason to pawn off an interior like that in 2021. well, unless you are a toyota fanboi.
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Old 07-12-2021, 07:28 PM   #53
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it's competition is far more modern, screwed together well and is very functional and high quality. there is no reason to pawn off an interior like that in 2021. well, unless you are a toyota fanboi.
I think the interior is fine. At least the gauges go in the correct direction, unlike the stupid Aston Martin knock off in the BMW . I remember the flack Toyota/Lexus got for the LFA electronic TACH, among many other things. Now people want the car .

Having driven the last gen IS350 F Sport for a few days my only beef was the lack of room. It was even more compact than the 3 series.

Anyway if the price is around 60k as is being thrown around, I would lean towards the M3 with the 6 speed manual.
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:37 PM   #54
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it's competition is far more modern, screwed together well and is very functional and high quality. there is no reason to pawn off an interior like that in 2021. well, unless you are a toyota fanboi.
Not being a jerk. What is superior about this?



Sure, it has bigger and more numerous screens. But it also has less physical buttons. One is minimalist. One is more classical looking. Neither is better. Perhaps you prefer the BMW. I think I would like the Lexus more, but I'd need to live with both for a while to know for sure.
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Old 07-12-2021, 08:52 PM   #55
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Been a while since I sat in an IS but it felt like an F16 cockpit, I loved it but not sure it would be comfortable being so close fitting.

I think the lack of manual would make me go for a last gen M3 or an M2 Comp. maybe even the Cadillac CT4 Blackwing which at $64k has a 6mT and not much of the electronic safety stuff if you get the manual.

But I wouldnít kick the IS500 out of bed, love the engine sound and the exterior and interior.
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Old 07-13-2021, 07:45 AM   #56
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Not being a jerk. What is superior about this?



Sure, it has bigger and more numerous screens. But it also has less physical buttons. One is minimalist. One is more classical looking. Neither is better. Perhaps you prefer the BMW. I think I would like the Lexus more, but I'd need to live with both for a while to know for sure.
it's better than the IS, but i really don't care for the 3 series interior, that's why i bought the S4.
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:52 PM   #57
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I'm not seeing what is definitively more modern between any one of those 3 cars... the is500 seems right in-line, albeit slightly different styling wise (more rounded) That doesn't mean it's less modern, though. The only cars I consider super modern and a huge departure from "standard" interiors would be things like tesla. Apparently people equate sharp angles to "more modern"
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Throw in a Hyundai or a Subaru...no interior is worthy of criticism or compare on this website. Pointless to bother.
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Old 07-13-2021, 02:12 PM   #59
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Throw in a Hyundai or a Subaru...no interior is worthy of criticism or compare on this website. Pointless to bother.
Modern highest trim Subaru interiors don't look bad and they are (or at least used to be) highly functional.


It's only when you start poking around and pushing on panels that you realize they're total ****.
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Old 07-13-2021, 02:36 PM   #60
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I'm not seeing what is definitively more modern between any one of those 3 cars... the is500 seems right in-line, albeit slightly different styling wise (more rounded) That doesn't mean it's less modern, though. The only cars I consider super modern and a huge departure from "standard" interiors would be things like tesla. Apparently people equate sharp angles to "more modern"
It's not just about modern, it's also about familiarity. When you see a design for for a long time it's become so familiar in your mind and comes off as old compared to newer designs that are fresh in your memory. I actually feel the Audi interior above looks pretty dated due to spending time in a newer Audi interior for over a week. I don't think the Toyota interior is ugly or anything but I've seen it for such a long time it just doesn't feel new or modern. BMW is using that interior in all of it's newer vehicles so it's going to start showing it's age especially when BMW implements ID8 in upcoming models.
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There's nothing wrong with familiarity.

1996 Porsche 911 interior


2021 Porsche 911 interior
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It's not just about modern, it's also about familiarity. When you see a design for for a long time it's become so familiar in your mind and comes off as old compared to newer designs that are fresh in your memory. I actually feel the Audi interior above looks pretty dated due to spending time in a newer Audi interior for over a week. I don't think the Toyota interior is ugly or anything but I've seen it for such a long time it just doesn't feel new or modern. BMW is using that interior in all of it's newer vehicles so it's going to start showing it's age especially when BMW implements ID8 in upcoming models.
I find just about any interior in a car I buy gets old after a year or so, and you stop looking at it. My E46 330i was like that - loved the interior for about a year and after that I hardly looked at it.

Things that matter for the life of the car are the stereo, seats, steering wheel, infotainment. As long as Lexus gets those right it's fine.

I find Audi and VW tend to have uncomfortable seats. Maybe BMW too, my E46 sport seats looked great but weren't particularly comfortable.
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People compare the WRX and GTI interiors all the time and somehow decide which they like better based on whether they need AWD or not. Which is always the best way to determine the better interior.
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People compare the WRX and GTI interiors all the time and somehow decide which they like better based on whether they need AWD or not. Which is always the best way to determine the better interior.
This sums up 90% of the (non-political) discourse on here.
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Old 07-13-2021, 07:35 PM   #65
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People compare the WRX and GTI interiors all the time and somehow decide which they like better based on whether they need AWD or not. Which is always the best way to determine the better interior.
Wait someone likes the WRX interior better than the GTI?

I still have nightmares about the interior of our 2002 WRX (shudder).
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This would be my favorite if it had a smaller airbag, physical sliders for the climate temp, and less shiny black plastic. As it stands I like the S4 the best.
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Lexus IS500 pricing.

$61,000
+ $1,075 (destination)
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$62,075


Dang.... That's big money. Sure the V8 is special but Lexus didn't really add any other componentry (better seats, brakes, suspension, etc alas M3) to really set it apart from the regular IS350.


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"This is not supposed to be like... an m3 competitor"
RIP any interest I had. Also, if it's not an M3 competitor, why the **** is it so expensive?
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Lexus IS500 pricing.

$61,000
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$62,075


Dang.... That's big money. Sure the V8 is special but Lexus didn't really add any other componentry (better seats, brakes, suspension, etc alas M3) to really set it apart from the regular IS350.


https://youtu.be/I9iYJqhpJCE
In a world where a 2020 STI limited costs $42,000 -- Yeah, I think a Lexus sedan with a screaming NA 471hp V8 is probably worth $62,000.
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Would buy this over an M3 or S4 for $60k for sure even with the ****ty auto.
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In a world where a 2020 STI limited costs $42,000 -- Yeah, I think a Lexus sedan with a screaming NA 471hp V8 is probably worth $62,000.
In what world is an STI actually considered a good value at 42k, though?

That's what lexus is supposed to be: value BMW/Mercedes/audi>

Let's look at your original argument and adjust it:
In a world where you can get a screaming NA 460hp v8 for 36k, I wouldn't ever consider a 42k STI.
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In what world is an STI actually considered a good value at 42k, though?

That's what lexus is supposed to be: value BMW/Mercedes/audi>

Let's look at your original argument and adjust it:
In a world where you can get a screaming NA 460hp v8 for 36k, I wouldn't ever consider a 42k STI.
The is500 starts at $10,000 less than the new m3 does, and doesnít have a pig nose. Thereís some value in that for me.

Clearly itís expensive and Iíd never buy one. But the current car market is filled with equally overpriced cars so, to me, itís a wash.
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I thought it started at $56k
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I thought it started at $56k
Yeah I've seen reports of the IS500 starting at 57.5K

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

This car is more M340i fighter than M3 fighter.

The RWD M340i sedan starts at 54.7K, so it's very close to the IS500 pricing.
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