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Old 06-08-2020, 08:38 AM   #26
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Exceptions aren't the rule, though. I think to make enough overhead on the limited number of manual Sport Crosstrek they'd sell they'd have to have Premium+ features like they do with the current Impreza Sport.

It would be awesome if they had a base model no frills Crosstrek Sport with a 6-speed manual, but their production is most likely too tight already. They can't sacrifice space for what might sell over something they know will sell. Their image doesn't need it THAT badly yet as long as they have the WRX, STI and BRZ.
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:30 AM   #27
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My MIL was looking to replace her 5mt 08 Legacyl; she wanted more ground clearance, AWD & a stick - but the 2.0L was a dog even compared to her old NA EJ Legacy, the 2.5L meant she might continue to Subaru, not now though.
Hummm.. so what car would she consider instead? Not many choices out there if MT. Does Jeep still offer their cars in MT?
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:36 AM   #28
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I think they're going to take advantage of X-Mode and the limited production they'll initially launch with, and if sales soar then a manual could be introduced. Now is definitely the time to keep things simple on the production side.
No way they'll add a manual later. Honda added a 6MT to the Sport Touring hatch, VW added one to the Alltrack SEL, but has Subaru ever done that?
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:37 AM   #29
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Hummm.. so what car would she consider instead? Not many choices out there if MT. Does Jeep still offer their cars in MT?
You can still get new 2019 Alltrack manuals for cheap. 6 year 72k miles warranty and if you don't get one with the moonroof the cabin should stay dry.
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:48 AM   #30
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Hummm.. so what car would she consider instead? Not many choices out there if MT. Does Jeep still offer their cars in MT?
She decided that if she is going to be stuck with an auto she will get a Rav4; they are looking for "forever" vehicles at this point so reliability, durability, longevity & ease of maintenance are the key factors. AWD is another requirement.

My FIL is looking at a Ridgeline to replace his Frontier, also going from stick to Auto, but he likes the Ridgeline way more than the Tacoma 6mt he test drove.

After they get those out of the way though, they are looking for a fun vert, but that purchase won't happen until 2021 or 2022.
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Old 06-08-2020, 12:35 PM   #31
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Bingo! The taxes on 2.0+ and 3.0+ engines in Europe and Japan are larger.

Problem is Subaru engines get a smog tax also. So, Subaru is a hard sell in Europe. Unless they fix their whole injection system they may be pushed out of Europe. That may be where Toyota comes in. However, you are fighting some physics with Subaru boxer designs stuck within the frame rails.

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Correct. We do need the new 1.8 DIT and the 1.5 DIT fast. To start, Subaru's CO2 emission is so high all prices rise again 3000-5000 dollar. Normally aspirated engines are not popular either since we all drove turbo diesel -rich torque- engines so Subaru's dissapoint also.
Bring us hybrid versions, not the e-boxer but larger Li-ion packs and mate it with the new engines please.
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Old 06-08-2020, 12:42 PM   #32
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She decided that if she is going to be stuck with an auto she will get a Rav4; they are looking for "forever" vehicles at this point so reliability, durability, longevity & ease of maintenance are the key factors. AWD is another requirement.

My FIL is looking at a Ridgeline to replace his Frontier, also going from stick to Auto, but he likes the Ridgeline way more than the Tacoma 6mt he test drove.

After they get those out of the way though, they are looking for a fun vert, but that purchase won't happen until 2021 or 2022.
Sounds like a plan!
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Old 06-09-2020, 10:42 AM   #33
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Not much we didn't already know:

Two Power Levels for 2021

Debuted on the 2019 Forester, the 2.5-liter 4-cylinder SUBARU BOXER engine in the 2021 Crosstrek Sport and Limited produces 182 hp and 176 lb.-ft. of torque. With their standard Lineartronic® CVT(continuously variable transmission), these trim levels achieve EPA-estimated fuel economy of 27 city / 34 highway / 29 combined MPG.

New Crosstrek Sport Amps Up SUV Style and Performance

The distinctive and more powerful new Crosstrek Sport is the only Crosstrek model to feature the dual-function X-MODE® with Hill Descent Control with SNOW/DIRT and DEEP SNOW/MUD selectable settings to optimize AWD performance for difficult weather or road conditions.

The new Sport trim offers unique exterior trim elements that include specific wheel arch moldings, Sport-type 17-inch alloy wheels with dark gray finish, and gunmetal finish for the front grille, side mirrors and badges. The Sport interior equipment includes the Premium trim’s content, plus exclusive StarTex™ upholstery with yellow stitching. StarTex upholstery is a lightweight, urethane material manufactured without polyvinyl chloride (PVC), phthalate or chlorine. Also, yellow stitching has been added to the simulated leather door trim panel armrests, leather-wrapped steering wheel, shift boot, multifunction display visor, and center console storage box lid. Carpeted floormats feature the Sport logo and yellow stitching. The backing of the floormats is made from 25 percent recycled polyethylene terephthalate (PET). The new Sport is available in seven exterior colors including new Plasma Yellow Pearl and Horizon Blue Pearl.

The Sport is further distinguished by its cabin with gunmetal and simulated carbon fiber interior trim accents, a high-grade combination meter with color LCD and yellow metallic finish trim rings, and a high-power LED rear gate light.






http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease.do?id=1599
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Old 06-09-2020, 11:02 AM   #34
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Old 06-09-2020, 11:23 AM   #35
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New hp is 182, sheesh what was it before??
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Old 06-09-2020, 11:25 AM   #36
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I think relative to your Forester Sport (and my Limited).
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Old 06-09-2020, 11:26 AM   #37
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I like this one. I hope that dash layout is what the new WRX/STI look like, rather than the new Outback's design.
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I think this is brilliant. Love the added power to an already really good package
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Old 06-09-2020, 12:42 PM   #39
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What is this new color name: vomit or baby poop? Should there be a poll on it lol.
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^^^ Vitamin Piss.
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Old 06-09-2020, 01:00 PM   #41
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This should perform quite well since it is ~250-300 lbs lighter than the Forester/Legacy too
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What is this new color name: vomit or baby poop? Should there be a poll on it lol.
Already voted
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If I needed AWD, like I was a skier or something, I'd consider this. Only other option is a leftover 2019 Alltrack SEL 6MT, I'd probably pick that only cause it's a manual.
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They should have gone over 200. 180 is very meh, and should be the base trim imo. Lowest tier Golf in the US (gti) now has 240 hp. A measly 30 jump isn't enough to justify the "sport" name.
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They should have gone over 200. 180 is very meh, and should be the base trim imo. Lowest tier Golf in the US (gti) now has 240 hp. A measly 30 jump isn't enough to justify the "sport" name.
You apparently don't know Subaru. They throw "Sport" around like it's going out of fashion.

Besides, what engine would you have them put in it that's over 200 and not turbocharged? I think 182 is plenty fine for the demographic it suits. It's not a WRX.
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You apparently don't know Subaru. They throw "Sport" around like it's going out of fashion.

Besides, what engine would you have them put in it that's over 200 and not turbocharged? I think 182 is plenty fine for the demographic it suits. It's not a WRX.
Doesn't need to be a wrx. 200 hp would have been a perfect middle ground to attract buyers who want something "sportier" than a turd that could barely outrun my old 1990 honda accord...

I don't need to solve Subaru's internal design problems for me to criticize it. Yes, it likely would need to be turbocharged. A turbocharged engine would go a long way for those "outdoor enthusiasts" who frequent higher elevations where NA engines become anemic.
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A 1.6DIT in the crosstrek would be complete win.
Talk about a segment leader,
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That engine lost. FB18DIT replaced it.
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Doesn't need to be a wrx. 200 hp would have been a perfect middle ground to attract buyers who want something "sportier" than a turd that could barely outrun my old 1990 honda accord...

I don't need to solve Subaru's internal design problems for me to criticize it. Yes, it likely would need to be turbocharged. A turbocharged engine would go a long way for those "outdoor enthusiasts" who frequent higher elevations where NA engines become anemic.
I guess you're not familiar with the segment.


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Hp:
186 CX-30
182? 2.5l Crosstrek
180 Renegade 2.4l
180 Compass
177 500X
177 Renegade 1.3T
175 Kona 1.6T
175 Seltos 1.6T
166 Ecosport 2.0T
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147 Kona 2.0l
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141 Rogue Sport
141 HR-V
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138 Encore
123 Ecosport 1.0T
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210 500X
200 Renegade 1.3T
195 Kona 1.6T
195 Seltos 1.6T
186 CX-30
176? 2.5l Crosstrek
175 Renegade 2.4l
175 Compass
149 Ecosport 2.0T
148 Trax
148 Encore
147 Rogue Sport
146 CX-3
145 2.0l Crosstrek
139 C-HR
132 Kona 2.0l
132 Seltos
127 HR-V
125 Ecosport 1.0T
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Yeah we're used to unrealistic expectations here. It's a performance enthusiast forum.

TURBO ALL TEH THINGS!!!
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