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Old 06-09-2020, 06:52 PM   #51
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Behind the black mesh grille is a 2.5-liter naturally aspirated I-4 shared with the Mazda3. It produces 186 hp and an equal amount of torque, claimed by Mazda to be class-leading. At the test track we measured a 7.8-second 0-60 run, behind the all-wheel-drive Hyundai Kona Ultimate's 6.6-second sprint but way ahead of the Nissan Rogue Sport's 9.8-second stroll. In the real world, power feels adequate, not enough to excite yet sufficient to zip around and execute passes.
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Slower than turbocharged rivals, occasional transmission clumsiness, not any more practical than the less pricey Mazda 3 hatchback.
Well, the CX30 betters the future Crosstrek Sport in specs and is still criticized for it by all the rags. Subaru expecting a different result? Oh, nevermind. Subaru no care.
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Old 06-09-2020, 07:24 PM   #52
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I guess you're not familiar with the segment.
And one can't wish for more? Their "sport" trim is putting them closer to being competitive with the segment leaders... why not lead the pack?

I like the crosstrek. Would consider one if it wasn't dog**** slow. Sorry, but I'm not buying something that matches the speed of a 30 year old family sedan.
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Old 06-09-2020, 07:50 PM   #53
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What's a "sedan"? All I see are CUVs and coupes!
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Old 06-09-2020, 08:13 PM   #54
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Subaru sells these cars to old ladies with menís haircuts. This will be more than sufficient.
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Old 06-09-2020, 08:46 PM   #55
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And one can't wish for more? Their "sport" trim is putting them closer to being competitive with the segment leaders... why not lead the pack?

I like the crosstrek. Would consider one if it wasn't dog**** slow. Sorry, but I'm not buying something that matches the speed of a 30 year old family sedan.
SoDealer knows or should know that power at the crank doesn't mean much when it comes to a Subaru with a CVT AWD drivetrain.
That's why I always go back to 0-60 times and 1/4-mile trap speed.
That's the only thing we have to evaluate how much of that engine power actually makes it to the wheels.
When C&D tested the 175-hp 1.6T Kona AWD they went to 60 in 6.6 secs; the nearly 180-lbs lighter 175-hp Kona FWD went to 60 in 6 secs flat.
Let's see if the 182-hp Crosstrek, with a similar curb weight to the AWD Kona, gets anywhere close.
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Old 06-09-2020, 09:39 PM   #56
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SoDealer knows or should know that power at the crank doesn't mean much when it comes to a Subaru with a CVT AWD drivetrain.
That's why I always go back to 0-60 times and 1/4-mile trap speed.
That's the only thing we have to evaluate how much of that engine power actually makes it to the wheels.
When C&D tested the 175-hp 1.6T Kona AWD they went to 60 in 6.6 secs; the nearly 180-lbs lighter 175-hp Kona FWD went to 60 in 6 secs flat.
Let's see if the 182-hp Crosstrek, with a similar curb weight to the AWD Kona, gets anywhere close.
Current one is at 10 seconds 0-60. That's absolutely pathetic. I'm sorry, but nobody can convince me otherwise. Add 30hp and maybe this will drop to 8.5 seconds. Still pathetic.

The people that buy the car clearly don't care about acceleration, because it doesn't accelerate. If they took the opportunity of a sport trim to add power, maybe they can broaden their demographic.
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Old 06-09-2020, 11:49 PM   #57
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Sorry sorry, I'm just really in my Element Today



Dang it I guess I'll just have to escape then... Back to the early 2000's we go ....



Anyone see the new James Bond Movie------ VUE to a Kill?



I'll see myself out....

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Old 06-10-2020, 01:52 AM   #58
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Current one is at 10 seconds 0-60. That's absolutely pathetic. I'm sorry, but nobody can convince me otherwise. Add 30hp and maybe this will drop to 8.5 seconds. Still pathetic.

The people that buy the car clearly don't care about acceleration, because it doesn't accelerate. If they took the opportunity of a sport trim to add power, maybe they can broaden their demographic.
I thought my Delorean was horrificly slow until I drove a new Forester to Vail, CO. Wow that was bad. Basically WOT the entire time.
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Old 06-10-2020, 08:26 AM   #60
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Current one is at 10 seconds 0-60.
I've done some 0-60s over the 3 years I've had my Impreza Sport CVT to test if it changes over time and it went from 9.0 when I got it to the last four around 8.5 sec. About 2-3k miles is when it got "better".

The previous gen CVT held the engine back to the 10 sec range. The new CVT is much better at transferring/ramping power.

I think the 2.5 will be in the 7 sec range at least.

Yes, the people that buy these think the acceleration is sufficient. (It's better than a prius or lots of base toyotas CHR 10.1 and hondas - HRV is in the 9.9 sec range, which is their competition, Even the jeep renegade is 9 seconds) I bet it can be faster, but Subaru is playing the long game with these. Hyundai probably doesn't care as much for longevity bragging rights that Subaru loves. Never mind if Subaru can also decrease the number of recalls. If dialing it back 10% can get the car to last 50k more miles...

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Old 06-10-2020, 10:10 AM   #61
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GD Impreza with the 175hp EJ25 did 0-60 in 7.9 seconds. The Crosstrek is probably heavier so it'll be around there or slower.
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Old 06-10-2020, 11:37 AM   #62
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GD Impreza with the 175hp EJ25 did 0-60 in 7.9 seconds. The Crosstrek is probably heavier so it'll be around there or slower.

That's pathetic. GD debuted, what, 20 years ago?
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Gas mileage also sucked pretty bad, so that's the trade-off.
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Old 06-10-2020, 12:33 PM   #64
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That's pathetic. GD debuted, what, 20 years ago?
What has improved:
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0-60

Yep. It sucks.

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Old 06-10-2020, 12:50 PM   #65
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What has improved:
Quietness
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Mileage
Maintenance intervals
Powerband
Materials and craftsmanship

What hasn't improved...
0-60

Yep. It sucks.

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Let's be honest real world fuel economy hasn't improved, GD impreza was mid 20's average crosstrek is mid 20's average.

Admittedly the crosstrek is pulling more weight, but it's a smaller DI engine with a CVT; it should be better than a vehicle 20 years older with a 4spd auto.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:43 PM   #66
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Let's be honest real world fuel economy hasn't improved, GD impreza was mid 20's average crosstrek is mid 20's average.

Admittedly the crosstrek is pulling more weight, but it's a smaller DI engine with a CVT; it should be better than a vehicle 20 years older with a 4spd auto.
Depends on the driver. I've had people in the mid 20s and I've had people show me 31-34.....average. It just depends on what driving matters to you. I don't care to drive faster than 70mph. I get passed by people easily doing 80. That has a decent hit on MPG. That difference in speed doesn't make enough difference in driving time enough to justify the MPG hit that speed brings. For me.

Now, as he pointed out, there is SOOOO much more in these cars than way back when.
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Let's be honest real world fuel economy hasn't improved, GD impreza was mid 20's average crosstrek is mid 20's average.

Admittedly the crosstrek is pulling more weight, but it's a smaller DI engine with a CVT; it should be better than a vehicle 20 years older with a 4spd auto.
The CVT is pulling in about the same numbers MPG wise than the 5MT that was in the GD 2.5 RS. It's astounding to me that "automatics" yes, I know CVT are meeting or beating the MPGs of the manuals, and yes, on heavier vehicles. So.... yeah.

On average, the new Impreza is doing 2-3mpg better than the Crosstrek (using Fuelly data).

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Old 06-10-2020, 05:43 PM   #68
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This thing does not need a sub 7 second 0-60 people come on. Just because 0-60ís for performance cars has gotten so quick doesnít mean cars for everyday people need to be that quick. Iíve driven the current 2.0 l at length and find it perfectly adequate power wise. If youíre a considerate driver and plan your moves youíll never have trouble. Now would I buy the 2.5 liter version of this if I was looking for a vehicle like this? Yes. Iíve been saying for years that they should throw the 2.5 in as it would not be detrimental to mpg and wouldnít have to work as hard. Plus with the n/a motor mpg is more consistent which prevents lawsuits like other brands have had for failing to achieve mpg estimates.
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Maintenance intervals
Powerband
Materials and craftsmanship

What hasn't improved...
0-60

Yep. It sucks.

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Thatís true about every car on earth, in addition to also getting faster. None of that is impressive.
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Thatís true about every car on earth, in addition to also getting faster. None of that is impressive.
Could you list a Crosstrek competitor that you would then compare to its ancestor for reference please....?
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Let***8217;s see what they do for this in Canada. The current Crosstrek Sport up here comes in both manual and CVT, but there***8217;s no word if that 6MT will stick around with this new engine, or even which trim actually gets the 2.5.
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Letís see what they do for this in Canada. The current Crosstrek Sport up here comes in both manual and CVT, but thereís no word if that 6MT will stick around with this new engine, or even which trim actually gets the 2.5.
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Canadian press release: 2021 Subaru Crosstrek: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...875731707.html

The Crosstrek Outdoor is equipped with a 2.5-litre direct-injection Subaru BOXER engine for increased power and enhanced capability. Providing 182 horsepower and 176 lb.-ft. of torque and coupled with dual-function X-MODE

The Crosstrek Outdoor also owns several select design elements including, front grille accent, exterior mirror caps, badging, fog light cover accents and a shark fin antenna Ė all with gun metallic colouring. On the inside, the Outdoor has yellow and gun metallic trim accents, yellow stitching and all-weather soft-touch seating surfaces. Plus, more noticeable is the unique and aggressive side cladding, dark grey painted 17-inch wheels, and an optional Plasma Yellow Pearl exterior colour Ė exclusive to Crosstrek Outdoor.

Choice of Eight Trims
The 2021 Subaru Crosstrek is available in eight trim levels in Canada: Convenience, Convenience with Eyesight, Touring, Touring with Eyesight, Outdoor, Sport, Sport with Eyesight and Limited. Additionally, the Touring and Sport trims add the comfort of a heated steering wheel, while the Limited trim also gets the new 2.5-litre direct-injection Subaru BOXER engine.


So,based on current trims and the above, it would look like (speculation on my part):

-Convenience: 2.0, CVT or 6MT base trim, small Starlink;
-Touring: 2.0, CVT or 6MT, adds fogs and heated steering wheel+seats;
-Outdoor: 2.5, CVT, probably with a Touring trim + playmobile decorations (as stated in the press release);
-Sport: 2.0, 6MT, LED headlamps, sunroof, larger Starlink;
-Sport w/eyesight: 2.0, CVT plus eyesight and all of the above;
-Limited: 2.5, CVT and all the bells and whistles (moonroof, eyesight, satnav, LED headlamps...).

Final piece of info: I emailed Subaru Canada asking about the 6MT and the FB25. Their answer: " No, this engine and transmission combination is not offered at the moment. "
From other thread.
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Could you list a Crosstrek competitor that you would then compare to its ancestor for reference please....?
Can you emotionally disinvest yourself from your job as a car salesman? Please...?
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From other thread.
Thanks for the clarification. I looked back through this thread and didn***8217;t see it here.

Why both threads still exist... anyway... back to the regular scheduled subaru bashing lol.
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Could you list a Crosstrek competitor that you would then compare to its ancestor for reference please....?
Rav4 or CRV is where I'd start.
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