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Old 09-22-2020, 01:55 PM   #26
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I own a 19 outback and a Baja.. I would definitely buy a Baja version of the current outback!
Yup. Thats what my first reply was. I didnt see the render till later. I would not buy a acent based. Doesnt fit the baja name to me. Outback based with 2.4DIT, scooped hood, slightly aggresive wheel flares......Im all in.
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Old 09-22-2020, 01:58 PM   #27
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The HTCVT in the Ascent has a competitive tow rating. Surely a Baja replacement could too.
WOW! I had no idea it can pull 5000 lbs. I have never looked it up before.
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Really? That was a selling point. Along with 19 cupholders.

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Just never looked at anything related to the Acent. Not in the market for a three row. I think the only thing I read up on was the 2.4 engine out of curiosity that it could replace our EJ in STI. In fact the first time I looked at Subarus web page on it was right before this post. There is it in bold letters....."towing up to 5000lbs" LOL.
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Old 09-22-2020, 03:20 PM   #30
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If Subaru wanted to enter the fray, the Ascent would be the right way to do it - 4dr only, add a foot of rear overhang and it's about the same length as the Ridgeline.

I just don't see why they would.

I have no doubt Subaru watches their competitors. Ridgeline has been out long enough. VW supposedly bringing something. Isn't Hyundai gonna try a "truck"? If those do well, SBR may give it more of a look. All I get is "No", "No", "No"; but, wouldn't be totally surprised if they have thrown a bit of money at a design concept or something.


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Yup. Thats what my first reply was. I didnt see the render till later. I would not buy a acent based. Doesnt fit the baja name to me. Outback based with 2.4DIT, scooped hood, slightly aggresive wheel flares......Im all in.

Considering they would likely treat a Baja replacement like they did with the Ascent........fixing all the wrongs of it's predecessor; then, one of the fixes would BE the size. Outback tow rating isn't what a new "Baja" needs, nor is the cargo capacity. Another "fix"......like Ascent......and unfortunate......it wouldn't be called a Baja.....
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I have no doubt Subaru watches their competitors. Ridgeline has been out long enough. VW supposedly bringing something. Isn't Hyundai gonna try a "truck"? If those do well, SBR may give it more of a look. All I get is "No", "No", "No"; but, wouldn't be totally surprised if they have thrown a bit of money at a design concept or something.


Considering they would likely treat a Baja replacement like they did with the Ascent........fixing all the wrongs of it's predecessor; then, one of the fixes would BE the size. Outback tow rating isn't what a new "Baja" needs, nor is the cargo capacity. Another "fix"......like Ascent......and unfortunate......it wouldn't be called a Baja.....
Wasn't the Baja supposed to fix all the shortcomings of the BRAT?
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Apparently Ford & Chevy are bringing out smaller FWD-based unibody utes (Ford with the Maverick, not sure what Chevy is calling it); maybe it makes sense for Subaru to jump into the "kiddie-sized" truck pool.
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I have no doubt Subaru watches their competitors. Ridgeline has been out long enough. VW supposedly bringing something. Isn't Hyundai gonna try a "truck"? If those do well, SBR may give it more of a look. All I get is "No", "No", "No"; but, wouldn't be totally surprised if they have thrown a bit of money at a design concept or something.





Considering they would likely treat a Baja replacement like they did with the Ascent........fixing all the wrongs of it's predecessor; then, one of the fixes would BE the size. Outback tow rating isn't what a new "Baja" needs, nor is the cargo capacity. Another "fix"......like Ascent......and unfortunate......it wouldn't be called a Baja.....
Ridgeline sales (after they changed the philosophy) have done nothing but go up.

Toyota Taco has the shortest 'days in inventory'.

VW Amarok has been everywhere around the world, but not here yet.

Ranger is back, Chevy has done well. Nissan Frontier is persistent, Jeep

the midsized truck market is a nut that apparently everyone wants a little piece of now.

an Ascent based midsized truck could be a hit, the designers would need to look at the Baja and use that as a solid example of things never to do, then it might actually be a hit.
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I was trying to think of truck names for a Baja replacement from Subaru. Anyone else wanna take a stab at it? Feel free to use other languages or a thesaurus.

Subaru Camion (French) or Kamion (Czech/Croatian)

Subaru Kamyon (Turkish)

Subaru Reizen (Dutch) <=== My Western brain likes this one.

Subaru Kamen (Croatian)

I feel like it should have a strong first letter with a straight back.
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Subaru Crosstruck

SOABlog, when Subaru uses this name the only compensation I require is a STI hatch, preferably after the 2011 refresh.
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I was trying to think of truck names for a Baja replacement from Subaru. Anyone else wanna take a stab at it? Feel free to use other languages or a thesaurus.

Subaru Camion (French) or Kamion (Czech/Croatian)

Subaru Kamyon (Turkish)

Subaru Reizen (Dutch) <=== My Western brain likes this one.

Subaru Kamen (Croatian)

I feel like it should have a strong first letter with a straight back.
If you use Kamen, then Chevy might sue them as they might have a trademark on "everything Rock that has to do with Trucks"
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They should just call it "The Subaru".
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They should just call it "The Subaru".
"The Subarute"
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They should bring it back with the ridgeline type truck as its target. No fake offroad banglery or what not, but to compete in the same urban sort of truck market as the ridgeline. Towing, cargo, and awd caveats, but leave all the faux offroad stuff out.
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"The Subarute"
Subrute? Subrutus?
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They should bring it back with the ridgeline type truck as its target. No fake offroad banglery or what not, but to compete in the same urban sort of truck market as the ridgeline. Towing, cargo, and awd caveats, but leave all the faux offroad stuff out.
isn't outdoors kind of Subaru's thing? I think every marketing brochure for every Subaru (except maybe the BRZ) has a Subaru parked on a fire trail with some trees and a tent, which presumes some capability at least.

just by virtue of it being classified as a truck it will have to have minimum approach and departure angles, as well as a minimum height requirement, which would give it certain capabilities off road anyway.

I mean, Subaru probably isn't going to replace the preferred vehicle (Toyota) of the ExpeditionOverland YouTube channel, but it would probably be quite capable. I wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of an Alaskan overland expedition with a broken CVT, but that doesn't mean it couldn't do it.
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Old 09-26-2020, 09:55 AM   #42
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Wasn't the Baja supposed to fix all the shortcomings of the BRAT?

The BRAT was soo popular for most of it's existence, that is what inspired the SOA engineers to make the ST-X. What are your thoughts on what the "shortcomings" the BRAT had, compared to what it was intended for? And I want them in 1970s-80s terms. Not 2000s terms.


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I was trying to think of truck names for a Baja replacement from Subaru. Anyone else wanna take a stab at it? Feel free to use other languages or a thesaurus.

Subaru Camion (French) or Kamion (Czech/Croatian)

Subaru Kamyon (Turkish)

Subaru Reizen (Dutch) <=== My Western brain likes this one.

Subaru Kamen (Croatian)

I feel like it should have a strong first letter with a straight back.

When it was first announced that it was coming, I had a "genius" idea I called them to pitch. It was just an Outback they cut the back off to give it a bed; so, I suggested the "NO-Back"....Noback....


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They should bring it back with the ridgeline type truck as its target. No fake offroad banglery or what not, but to compete in the same urban sort of truck market as the ridgeline. Towing, cargo, and awd caveats, but leave all the faux offroad stuff out.



The upcoming Wilderness Editions seem to be contrary to this idea.
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The Subaru Notchback (Not'cha Outback)
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The BRAT was soo popular for most of it's existence, that is what inspired the SOA engineers to make the ST-X. What are your thoughts on what the "shortcomings" the BRAT had, compared to what it was intended for? And I want them in 1970s-80s terms. Not 2000s terms.

BRAT: 2nd row seats outside, and backwards
Baja: moved the 2nd row seats from outside to inside

BRAT: no power
Baja: mo power
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They should bring it back with the ridgeline type truck as its target. No fake offroad banglery or what not, but to compete in the same urban sort of truck market as the ridgeline. Towing, cargo, and awd caveats, but leave all the faux offroad stuff out.
Whatís funny is the Ridgeline is actually pretty damn good off road. Itís got sand, mud, and snow modes. TFL Truck took it up their off roading rock crawling type deal and it fared well. Obviously it was not made for that as you said. Itís not trying to be anything it isnít which is 180 degrees opposite of the rest of the truck market. I just wanted to mention it does the off-road stuff most owners would do with any truck. Lighter dirt trails (no rock crawling), sand, etc. Then on pavement it owns all trucks. But itís certainly not built for off-road ďlooksĒ and certainly isnít trying to front. On the RL forum, a whole lot of buyers drove it while doing evals and then bought it immediately. For some, they have to drive it to get rid of all the fake ads and marketing. I had the Gen 1 so knew what is was about but I read an awful lot of new member new owner threads where they had barely considered it until they drove it. If you need 5th wheel towing itís not for you but for most itís all the truck they need.

Subaru would do well to make something similar. Use the same 2.4L DIT. Base it off the Ascent. It would sell well for them but it may cannibalize Ascent or Outback sales.
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Whatís funny is the Ridgeline is actually pretty damn good off road. Itís got sand, mud, and snow modes. TFL Truck took it up their off roading rock crawling type deal and it fared well. Obviously it was not made for that as you said. Itís not trying to be anything it isnít which is 180 degrees opposite of the rest of the truck market. I just wanted to mention it does the off-road stuff most owners would do with any truck. Lighter dirt trails (no rock crawling), sand, etc. Then on pavement it owns all trucks. But itís certainly not built for off-road ďlooksĒ and certainly isnít trying to front. On the RL forum, a whole lot of buyers drove it while doing evals and then bought it immediately. For some, they have to drive it to get rid of all the fake ads and marketing. I had the Gen 1 so knew what is was about but I read an awful lot of new member new owner threads where they had barely considered it until they drove it. If you need 5th wheel towing itís not for you but for most itís all the truck they need.

Subaru would do well to make something similar. Use the same 2.4L DIT. Base it off the Ascent. It would sell well for them but it may cannibalize Ascent or Outback sales.
My FIL is looking into replacing his Frontier, he wanted a Tacoma initially, I told him he should drive a ridgeline - now he has zero interest in a Taco; he was blown away by how the Ridgeline drove, not surprising considering he's been driving compact/mid-sized BOF trucks for 30+ years.

I'm less concerned about a Baja cannibalizing CUV sales, more about it taking up precious CUV production capacity - If they built a new plant in the US for it and whatever model it shares a platform with, okay, but isn't Subaru more or less running full-tilt as far as production capacity is concerned? (you know, when there isn't a global pandemic).
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BRAT: no power
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You know why those rear seats exist, right? And they were what I got excited about as a kid and wished my dad had got one of those instead.

And that second bit...........I said in 80s terms. No Subaru had "power" back then. Even the TURBOS.

I know. You had to.


As for them producing them, they were doing pretty OK with some room to spare before the world started falling apart. I think they'll be fine on that front for a while to catch back up. By then, whatever plan they had for increasing capacity should be "easier"? Maybe?
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You know why those rear seats exist, right? And they were what I got excited about as a kid and wished my dad had got one of those instead.

And that second bit...........I said in 80s terms. No Subaru had "power" back then. Even the TURBOS.

I know. You had to.


As for them producing them, they were doing pretty OK with some room to spare before the world started falling apart. I think they'll be fine on that front for a while to catch back up. By then, whatever plan they had for increasing capacity should be "easier"? Maybe?
Yeah, those seats were to avoid the 25% chicken tax tariff. I wanted a BRAT when I was a kid as well.

I was pretty much just grasping for something to complain about. The non-turbo BRAT had about 73 hp and I think the turbo version had 91.

Could just swap a newer non-turbo motor and double that.
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Introducing a replacement for the baja is not a bad idea and it could be based of a refreshed ascent or be its own vehicle on the global Platform utilizing the 2.4DIT, symmetrical AWD and the x-mode. Can subaru add a center locking different to symmetrical AWD to better compliment the dual X-MODE. right now the focus is on the launching of the brz, wrx and STI. once that development is finished, a new baja is good vehicle to consider. Honda already has the Ridgeline, Nissan has the frontier, Toyota has the tacoma and Hyundai will soon have the Santa Cruz. not bad benchmarks for development. what are your thoughts

The Baja would be huge now a days. Theyre just weird enough to be cool. Turbo Trucks ftw
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