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Old 11-15-2020, 03:44 AM   #101
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Every rear-steer system EVER is always a source of long-term headache and needless complexity.
Porsche disagrees.
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Old 11-15-2020, 05:31 AM   #102
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I just dont think that Toyota will allow the BRZ to push 240HP w a manual transmission so as not to step on the toes of the 250 hp, Supra.

I wont be disappointed if it is only 215 HP because I just bought a 2020 BRZ tS in June, and I really enjoy, eventhough it lacks torque!

A few more days and we shall see!

I am guessing no more than 217 HP and 190 TQ.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:10 PM   #103
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Even if the standard version comes with 2.4 N/A, isn't it possible subaru could make an STI version adding back the turbo and doing a slight change to the hood to accommodate the intercooler and do bigger brakes later on in the product cycle depending on initial sales.
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Old 11-16-2020, 08:42 PM   #104
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Possible? Sure. Desirable? HELL no. Every rear-steer system EVER is always a source of long-term headache and needless complexity.
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I can attest to this. P cars have been using this technology for a while and it's fairly simple. You notice the agility in a parking lot when the wheels steer in the opposite direction, and at high speed the stability from turning in the same direction is mind bending.
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Old 11-16-2020, 10:30 PM   #105
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Nissan also used rear wheel steering system on the 300ZX (HICAS) and some Infiniti models to improve handling.
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:30 AM   #106
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I just dont think that Toyota will allow the BRZ to push 240HP w a manual transmission so as not to step on the toes of the 250 hp, Supra.

I wont be disappointed if it is only 215 HP because I just bought a 2020 BRZ tS in June, and I really enjoy, eventhough it lacks torque!

A few more days and we shall see!

I am guessing no more than 217 HP and 190 TQ.
I don't think Toyota is that worried, considering the current Supra may not stick around for a long time or even have an immediate replacement after this cycle. Plus aside from being RWD coupes, they're still pretty different (~$30k NA manual tuned by Subaru vs. ~$45k turbo'd auto only tuned by BMW) and probably not cross-shopped too seriously. Some people may have considered both but likely were leaning far more toward one than the other.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:54 PM   #107
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Nissan also used rear wheel steering system on the 300ZX (HICAS) and some Infiniti models to improve handling.
The 300zx is specifically one of the ones I had in my head that is long-term "headache inducing". Same with the GTR that had it. IDK about porsche's system, but I prefer simplicity and a lack of more **** to break or need maintenance

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I can attest to this. P cars have been using this technology for a while and it's fairly simple. You notice the agility in a parking lot when the wheels steer in the opposite direction, and at high speed the stability from turning in the same direction is mind bending.
I mean.. all steering systems are relatively simple in their design. However, any addition of moving parts definitely comes with wear and other crap (wires, sensors, etc) that gets added to it.
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:35 PM   #108
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The 300zx is specifically one of the ones I had in my head that is long-term "headache inducing". Same with the GTR that had it. IDK about porsche's system, but I prefer simplicity and a lack of more **** to break or need maintenance



I mean.. all steering systems are relatively simple in their design. However, any addition of moving parts definitely comes with wear and other crap (wires, sensors, etc) that gets added to it.
It adds COST; to the bottom line, means that gets passed along to the consumer. Is anyone in profitable volume numbers going to buy a starting price $30+ BRZ ? Especially when the cost of entry of a WRX is less.

Guess we’ll find out tomorrow.
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Old 11-17-2020, 03:59 PM   #109
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https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...142652&page=35

221HP, 191TQ

We'll see if this is bs soon enough
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Old 11-17-2020, 06:02 PM   #110
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221HP, 191TQ

We'll see if this is bs soon enough
If I'm reading that thread correctly, I think that was that person's guess.
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Old 11-17-2020, 06:07 PM   #111
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He also guessed 2881lbs. No! Wrong way!
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:07 AM   #112
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:11 AM   #113
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I hope it looks better in person because my first reaction is that something is off. I found the first gen instantly beautiful.
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Old 11-18-2020, 08:23 AM   #114
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Looks a lot taller/skinnier, in the back at least. Hopefully its just the pics. Also looks a lot like the Miata

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Old 11-18-2020, 08:36 AM   #115
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Wow! Overall it has improved. The only odd looking thing is that weird front view.
I like the back and the side.
PS. At first the front looked weird, but it's looking better each time I look again to the pictures.

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Old 11-18-2020, 09:13 AM   #116
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I thought I'd fall in love with the fender vents as I was planning on getting those for my BRZ, but I'm not really feeling the execution of them in these pics. I'll need to see the 360 view when it officially premiers at 9am.
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:24 AM   #117
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I thought I'd fall in love with the fender vents as I was planning on getting those for my BRZ, but I'm not really feeling the execution of them in these pics. I'll need to see the 360 view when it officially premiers at 9am.
It looks like they kicked out the lip of the fender to make volume for the fender vent. I keep seeing that arc in the lighting on the fender and it just looks awkward.
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:29 AM   #118
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Interesting design, what's up with those side vents in the front bumper? Pulling off a BMW 3 series thing there? The rear deck is pretty high. No interior pics?
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:36 AM   #119
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Interesting design, what's up with those side vents in the front bumper? Pulling off a BMW 3 series thing there? The rear deck is pretty high. No interior pics?
















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Old 11-18-2020, 09:40 AM   #121
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:46 AM   #122
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Seats look nice. The car is just too tall which can be easily be lowered and some wheels will help.
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:50 AM   #123
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That's not what I was expecting and it looks really awkward. The fender line in the front slopes down, while the hip in the rear quarter panel kicks up.

It's more modern looking, but I think it's actually less attractive than the outgoing model.



The interior looks better, but it still looks at least a generation behind current nice interiors.
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:52 AM   #124
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Are we there yet?
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Old 11-18-2020, 09:54 AM   #125
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I think I will only like this car modified
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