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Old 09-29-2020, 08:49 PM   #1
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Your Next New Subaru With EyeSight Will Have High-Tech LiDAR

Subaru will now use high-tech LiDAR for the new 2022 Forester and other models with next-generation EyeSight. See how it benefits customers.

If you haven't heard of LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging), it's a high-tech sensing method that uses a pulsed laser to measure distances. According to information sourced from the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), LiDAR is often used on airplanes and helicopters for acquiring data over broad areas. It can also strip back layers of the forest to see ancient hidden structures.

Subaru is now using LiDAR by partnering with a company called ON Semiconductor for its next-generation EyeSight X driver-assist technology. Subaru just launched the new safety system on the Levorg sports wagon in the Japan market, but the high-tech setup will be coming to U.S. customers soon and possibly on the 2022 Forester.

Eiji Shibata, general manager, EyeSight development project at Subaru, said, "We have teamed with ON Semiconductor for every generation of the EyeSight ADAS system (Advanced driver-assistance system) and continue to adopt its image sensing technology optimized for image recognition performance in automotive applications with higher resolution."

Subaru has already achieved the highest safety scores from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) on its all-wheel-drive models. But the automaker isn't satisfied. Now they have a goal to use its EyeSight advanced safety system to achieve improved safety performance and have zero traffic fatalities in their automobiles by 2030.

The next-generation EyeSight is a big step in that direction. Shibata went on to say, "Our engineering partnership and technical collaboration on this system are vital to achieving our shared vision of improving safety and achieving zero traffic fatalities in the near future." You can read about how Subaru will accomplish this and how it benefits customers here.

Patrick Moorhead, founder, president, and principal analyst at Moor Insights and Strategy says, "Next-generation vehicles require several different kinds of sensors, including LiDAR, radar, and cameras, comprising the vehicle's ADAS. These sensors make real-time decisions about what's happening outside and inside the vehicle and how the vehicle should respond."

Subaru's next-generation EyeSight X offers 360-degree sensing by combining the front and rear radars, and the new EyeSight X uses 3D high-precision map data with road information for each lane.

Subaru says the new generation system scans everything captured by stereo cameras enabling the automaker to offer advanced features such as pre-collision braking at an intersection and assisting with hands-off driving in traffic congestion on a highway.

A report from Embedded Computing Design says the cameras and four external radars capture images of cars, pedestrians, and lane dividers, which the system then analyzes and, if needed, sends signals to the steering and brakes to take corrective action. "These actions could include accelerating, decelerating, changing direction, flashing lights, honking, and other methods of alerting drivers of possible danger."

None of Subaru's vehicles sold in the U.S. have the next-generation EyeSight X with LiDAR yet, but the new 2022 Subaru Forester could be the next model to get the high-tech safety system.

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Fancy and cool... but still with reactive systems. Can***8217;t car companies just get together and make cars talk to each other already, so they know what they***8217;re going to do instead of reacting after moves happen.

I get reactive systems for pedestrians and cyclists, but vehicle-to-vehicle communications needs to happen in a standardized way already.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:15 AM   #3
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Fancy and cool... but still with reactive systems. Canít car companies just get together and make cars talk to each other already, so they know what theyíre going to do instead of reacting after moves happen.

I get reactive systems for pedestrians and cyclists, but vehicle-to-vehicle communications needs to happen in a standardized way already.
https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news...eal-life.html#

The new Golf already has Car2X technology as standard equipment.
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The new Golf already has Car2X technology as standard equipment.
Yeah I read about car2x a while ago so itís good to see something using it finally, but itís adoption is so slow. Seems like manufacturers just want to keep outdoing each other on their proprietary reactive systems as a priority... shouldnít surprise me I guess.
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Someone has to pay the bill of the communication in the way of 5G radio to be useful. That's why. 4G LTE has too much lag.
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Lidar is not the best option to work along with radars. Cameras are a better option. The problem with lidar is the amount of data it makes and to proces it. Reducing that data is cruciaal. Now, the combination of all three is new and should be the best of everything. If they program on that lidar is world leading and thereby low data. Eyesight x is now already leading all brands, including Tesla.
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Someone has to pay the bill of the communication in the way of 5G radio to be useful. That's why. 4G LTE has too much lag.
If you dive into Car2x it doesnít rely on cell tech. It uses WLANp... basically 802.11p, a standard outlined for around a decade. Car2x couldíve been sorted out and robustly developed a long time ago if manufacturers really wanted to work together.

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Lidar is not the best option to work along with radars. Cameras are a better option. The problem with lidar is the amount of data it makes and to proces it. Reducing that data is cruciaal. Now, the combination of all three is new and should be the best of everything. If they program on that lidar is world leading and thereby low data. Eyesight x is now already leading all brands, including Tesla.
More bs to mess with my radar detectors. F!
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If you dive into Car2x it doesnít rely on cell tech. It uses WLANp... basically 802.11p, a standard outlined for around a decade. Car2x couldíve been sorted out and robustly developed a long time ago if manufacturers really wanted to work together.
I think the trump admin eliminated upcoming v2v requirements.

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It does help speed things along, but manufacturers donít need mandates. None of todayís active safety tech and autonomous driving are mandated but they still do it. Backup cameras came out long before 2018 when it became required too... They can do it, they really just donít prioritize working together for car-to-car communication.
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It does help speed things along, but manufacturers donít need mandates. None of todayís active safety tech and autonomous driving are mandated but they still do it. Backup cameras came out long before 2018 when it became required too... They can do it, they really just donít prioritize working together for car-to-car communication.
At first, every manufacturar thought there was communication needed between vihicles and the rest. Now, it is the case that manufacturars choose to leave this option. They are concentrating on the driving vehicle itself. Otherwise you need a immense processor to keep up. Invidia already used in Mercedes Cars a processor capable of 1Tb/s. GM already told also it's autonomous car Will only drive a couple of years. Just showing the amount of data that is going on. It is actually much easier for an airplane and they have even 2 precessors hot and running, there is always one ready to take over. Some places there is no 3G, even nothing. There are still places where even your mobile phone does nog work. And 5G has also a drawback, rays does have problems to go around buildings. They can't bend. So the Transmitters need to need stationed optimal and there will be still places with no coverage.
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At first, every manufacturar thought there was communication needed between vihicles and the rest. Now, it is the case that manufacturars choose to leave this option. They are concentrating on the driving vehicle itself. Otherwise you need a immense processor to keep up.
I think the bigger issue stems from privacy. Who would control "the grid" of all the cars, and transmitting all the data back and forth to/from the grid on the cars whereabouts? It would have to be one single highway system to do it.

That said, I think it can be done today... and to get around corners is easy. Vehicles can be used as network hubs and viola, you can send/receive around corners in busy cities. The busier the better. Or, on each stop light (or every 2-3 city blocks). Which, with lights being public infrastructure, would still be some kind of gov't entity to control if it was, getting back to the privacy issue yet again.

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I think the bigger issue stems from privacy. Who would control "the grid" of all the cars, and transmitting all the data back and forth to/from the grid on the cars whereabouts? It would have to be one single highway system to do it.

That said, I think it can be done today... and to get around corners is easy. Vehicles can be used as network hubs and viola, you can send/receive around corners in busy cities. The busier the better. Or, on each stop light (or every 2-3 city blocks). Which, with lights being public infrastructure, would still be some kind of gov't entity to control if it was, getting back to the privacy issue yet again.

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First estimations were the amount of data sended by a car could be 4000Tb a day. This is not the option to use in my humble opinion. In the end you could end up having ADAS computers using up to 5 kilowatts continiusly
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At first, every manufacturar thought there was communication needed between vihicles and the rest. Now, it is the case that manufacturars choose to leave this option. They are concentrating on the driving vehicle itself. Otherwise you need a immense processor to keep up. Invidia already used in Mercedes Cars a processor capable of 1Tb/s. GM already told also it's autonomous car Will only drive a couple of years. Just showing the amount of data that is going on. It is actually much easier for an airplane and they have even 2 precessors hot and running, there is always one ready to take over. Some places there is no 3G, even nothing. There are still places where even your mobile phone does nog work. And 5G has also a drawback, rays does have problems to go around buildings. They can't bend. So the Transmitters need to need stationed optimal and there will be still places with no coverage.
This type of thing doesnít need 5G or more... maybe if it gets scaled up eventually... car2x isnít depending on cell tech even. As a starting point no one needs the grid to be involved yet, or be connected to cars that are so far ahead... just communication to the cars immediately around you. If all cars did that, the result is a daisy chain car to car grid with cascading communication.

The amount of data and processing power being talked about right now is cars having to survey the environment themselves and process it, then react. If they talked to each other it would greatly reduce the processing since a car wonít have to evaluate a picture all the time, usually it would be told about it by cars around and how theyíre reacting.

Think of it this way... someone panic stops 10 cars ahead. No one behind is told the lead car will do it. Each car is has to see the car ahead panic stop first and process it to determine its a panic stop... LOTS of data for each car, lots processing to react properly. Now if the first car says Iím panic stopping and sends a panic stop flag back and they pass it along, no car has to see it happen and process an image, they all know itís a panic stop ahead. WAY less data, quicker reaction, and probably less to no panic stop by the time the last car gets the message... same idea for lane changes and any other scenario. But it does needs manufacturers to get on board and work together.
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It does help speed things along, but manufacturers donít need mandates. None of todayís active safety tech and autonomous driving are mandated but they still do it. Backup cameras came out long before 2018 when it became required too... They can do it, they really just donít prioritize working together for car-to-car communication.
I don't want to get into a political thing.

Many things should not be mandated but manufactures do not always have long term interest or lower cost to society based on how they make $.

I would also argue it is pretty hard for a group of manufactures to come up with common standards without a push or mandate.
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I don't want to get into a political thing.

Many things should not be mandated but manufactures do not always have long term interest or lower cost to society based on how they make $.

I would also argue it is pretty hard for a group of manufactures to come up with common standards without a push or mandate.
I donít either... I didnít bring it up. Iím just saying manufacturers can implement things with out being told if they wanted to. They just donít want to and thatís my point. Theyíve been putting new things without mandates ever since the car was invented... they just want to prioritize going solo on this for some reason.
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This type of thing doesnít need 5G or more... maybe if it gets scaled up eventually... car2x isnít depending on cell tech even. As a starting point no one needs the grid to be involved yet, or be connected to cars that are so far ahead... just communication to the cars immediately around you. If all cars did that, the result is a daisy chain car to car grid with cascading communication.

The amount of data and processing power being talked about right now is cars having to survey the environment themselves and process it, then react. If they talked to each other it would greatly reduce the processing since a car wonít have to evaluate a picture all the time, usually it would be told about it by cars around and how theyíre reacting.

Think of it this way... someone panic stops 10 cars ahead. No one behind is told the lead car will do it. Each car is has to see the car ahead panic stop first and process it to determine its a panic stop... LOTS of data for each car, lots processing to react properly. Now if the first car says Iím panic stopping and sends a panic stop flag back and they pass it along, no car has to see it happen and process an image, they all know itís a panic stop ahead. WAY less data, quicker reaction, and probably less to no panic stop by the time the last car gets the message... same idea for lane changes and any other scenario. But it does needs manufacturers to get on board and work together.
Car to car communication is cool in concept... but what happens on a 5-lane wide highway? How does it know exactly what lane that car that's panic stopping is in? What happens if that driver is also in the middle of a lane change? What lane stops? GPS does not have that granularity all the time. And what happens when a car not in the panic stop lane slams on the brakes because of a false signal and a non-smart car slams into the back of them? Who is at fault? Sudden and unnecessary stopping would put the autonomous system at fault, just like someone brake checking a car behind them can be found at fault...

I could see one autonomous lane working, where the mode needs to be intentionally activated. But then what happens when you get out of the cities? Are they really going to take up an entire lane when there isn't a lot of traffic?

It's a cool idea if we were to poof all old cars away and magically everyone has the same tech, but that can't and wont happen. Maybe 100 years in the future after analog cars are largely off the road, but that also assumes manufacturers all buy into the same communication protocols, and does not take into account future advancements.

Call me skeptical, but I just think there's too many obstacles.
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Those obstacles are exactly why they have to get together. Go back years and Iím sure the obstacles to eyesight/safety sense/pro pilot/ teslaís ... all seemed nuts too.

Positional tech exists to determine where a wireless connected device is and how far too relative to each other, but again, get together and develop it right so you know which car and where is sending a message.

They also donít need to use the same tech for everything, get the comm protocol down and existing safety systems (even first gen from years ago) will help and aid as complementary systems.

Anyway, thatís my .02 on the matter...
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Wow... sensible reasoned discussion and debate. Very interesting turn of events.
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Vehicle to infrastructure or vehicle to vehicle communication would take decades to be widespread, as it would require the large majority of cars to have it. How many cars on the road today still don't have ABS/Stability control? That's been required for about 10 years.
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It's all thanks to new advanced AI technology.

Subaru has a stellar safety reputation. Thanks to its advanced safety tech and standard curve-adapted LED headlights, the 2021 Subaru Ascent earned the Safety Pick+ award by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. For the 2021 model year, the Subaru Forester, Legacy, Outback, and Ascent come equipped with the Japanese automaker's EyeSight safety suite, which uses two cameras to scan the road ahead to identify potential hazards such as traffic cars and pedestrians.

Subaru's EyeSight package currently includes pre-collision braking, pre-collision throttle management, adaptive cruise control, lane sway departure warning, lane keep assist, and lead vehicle start alert driver assists.



Taking this a stage further, Subaru is planning to integrate advanced "AI judgement capabilities" into its EyeSight assist system to make its next-generation models much harder to crash.

Subaru hasn't announced when the new AI technology will be integrated, but the Japanese automaker claims it will help achieve a target of zero fatal road accidents in 2030. To research and develop the technology, Subaru is opening a new AI development base called "Subaru Lab" next month in Shibuya, Japan, where a team of engineers will develop AI, image processing, cameras, sensors, and vehicle control.

Leading the team will be Subaru Lab Director Eiji Shibata, who helped develop the first generation of Subaru's EyeSight technology that launched back in 2008.

Subaru says its new AI technology will pave the way for "autonomous driving that anyone can buy" by combining a stereo camera that has been refined for over 30 years, object recognition specializing in collision avoidance, and two unique technologies "with cutting-edge AI."

Subaru's next-generation EyeSight X was also recently introduced in the new Levorg wagon, adding a new 360-degree camera and four front and rear radars to detect hazards more accurately. The EyeSight X package also uses GPS data that enables hands-free semi-autonomous driving in traffic jams and on highways.
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30 years?
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30 years from 2000, yeah.

Or about 9 years from now.
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Engineers proposed "EyeSight" to the bosses sometime like 1989. Don't remember hearing when the first working prototype was running around; but, I've seen a picture of one in a 90s era Legacy Outback. The computer took up the entire cargo area.





There are some concept vehicles in the mid 90s that allude to EyeSight.
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