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Old 12-28-2016, 07:39 PM   #51
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When I was looking for a used Forester for the wife, I found many Tribecas for the same price.
H6, room for 7, low price. That's my vote. Ugly, but it's a winter car.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:05 PM   #52
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How does the sliding door clear that rear fender?
Ooooo, ooooo, I know that one. Having been a van guy in the 70's, I had molded flares on my van and simply bought the longer rear door bar. When you start sliding the door, it pushes it out farther and clears the flare.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:15 PM   #53
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Mazda CX-9? They seem to be pretty cheap around here, not sure if it would still be better to just get an old MDX. I think the mazda has a timing chain. Didn't honda have an issue with transmissions for the v6 for, well ever.

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Old 12-28-2016, 08:38 PM   #54
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Mazda CX-9? They seem to be pretty cheap around here, not sure if it would still be better to just get an old MDX. I think the mazda has a timing chain. Didn't honda have an issue with transmissions for the v6 for, well ever.

Are CX-9's really that cheap?

I see just one on CraigsList under $10k... and it's a salvage title with "just a little damage" that's "not noticeable".
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Old 12-28-2016, 10:29 PM   #55
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Are CX-9's really that cheap?

I see just one on CraigsList under $10k... and it's a salvage title with "just a little damage" that's "not noticeable".
I only quickly looked at craigslist and saw an 08 137k for $6900 and an 09 with 137k for $8900, both have clean titles.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:30 AM   #56
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The Land Rover community reminds me of the Volkswagen cult. They LOVE the cars, but unfortunately are constantly hanging out because they're always fixing each others' vehicles.

I always said, if I won the lottery and had a house at the top of a mountain, I'd buy a Land Rover to go up and down the driveway on the mountain, then keep the car at the bottom to go places.

Again, I worked footsteps from their "customer care" group at their headquarters, so I've heard many stories. The V8 motor was apparently using the same design of an engine from a 1962 Buick (?!). Complete transmission failures were actually common at UNDER 20K miles! And the Range Rover had a problem where a fuel line would leak due to something rubbing against it, then burn the car down (and sometimes the person's house), but the fire usually only started at least 15 minutes after the car was parked.

Every Land Rover owner that wasn't already an enthusiast, at least that I know, all regretted the purchase and never bought another one.

I'd like to hope things changed for the better after Ford bought them, or when Tata picked them up.

When I worked there, the engineering people never seemed to discussed anything about making the cars more reliable. It was always a bit of snobbery about how "our vehicles are the best 4x4 money can buy".... At the time, the Land Rover public URL was something like best4x4.lr.com or soemthing.

I shouldn't bash them so much, because it was indeed the best work environment I've ever experienced. Shorts to work every day, and catered keg parties at the off road course periodically. Permanent employees were allowed to lease BMWs and Land Rovers on the cheap. They really were some fun times.
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Old 12-30-2016, 11:14 AM   #57
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Old 12-30-2016, 11:38 AM   #58
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Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

They are huge, reliable and are basically a stolen blue print of a Land Rover but with Japanese reliability. I'm on my second one now, the first one died after 260k miles. Quiet comfortable and great in the snow. They were made from 2001 - 2007. They are not common but the good thing is that the engine is the same 2.6 v6 used in many other applications, so parts are cheap. Seats 7 easily.

Make sure it's a limited, the standard Montero is a very different bird.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/5933355718.html

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Old 12-30-2016, 11:51 AM   #59
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Yes, that's right. The Rover V8 (3.5-4.6L) was designed by Buick in the 60's. I guess it didn't work out for them so they sold it British Leyland who used it for about 4 decades.
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Old 12-30-2016, 12:23 PM   #60
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Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

They are huge, reliable and are basically a stolen blue print of a Land Rover but with Japanese reliability. I'm on my second one now, the first one died after 260k miles. Quiet comfortable and great in the snow. They were made from 2001 - 2007. They are not common but the good thing is that the engine is the same 2.6 v6 used in many other applications, so parts are cheap. Seats 7 easily.

Make sure it's a limited, the standard Montero is a very different bird.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/5933355718.html
Downsides: dual swinging barn door in the rear and one of the dumbest taillight/turn signal configurations known to man, iirc. Aren't the lights in the bumper the primary ones?
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Old 12-30-2016, 12:53 PM   #61
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Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

They are huge, reliable and are basically a stolen blue print of a Land Rover but with Japanese reliability. I'm on my second one now, the first one died after 260k miles. Quiet comfortable and great in the snow. They were made from 2001 - 2007. They are not common but the good thing is that the engine is the same 2.6 v6 used in many other applications, so parts are cheap. Seats 7 easily.

Make sure it's a limited, the standard Montero is a very different bird.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/5933355718.html
3.5 V6 up to 2002, then in 2003 it became a 3.8 V6

But yeah, reliable for the most part. Freewheel clutch solenoids go out on them on occasion, but they are relatively cheap and easy to replace. Replacement parts are fairly cheap, not quite Chevy prices but not new Mitsubishi prices either. There are a lot of former LR/RR guys moving into Monteros over on ExPo.
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Old 12-30-2016, 01:04 PM   #62
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There are a lot of former LR/RR guys moving into Monteros over on ExPo.
Like a boat, owning a LR, two best days...first and last.
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Old 12-30-2016, 01:11 PM   #63
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Seats 7.

Will winter / tow.

Not "bleah" during normal(*) driving.
(*)Normal meaning "not currently seating seven / white-knuckling home through a blizzard / pulling a trailer."

Pick any two.
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Old 12-30-2016, 01:19 PM   #64
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Seats 7.

Will winter / tow.

Not "bleah" during normal(*) driving.
(*)Normal meaning "not currently seating seven / white-knuckling home through a blizzard / pulling a trailer."

Pick any two.
Like I said earlier, lifted AWD Astro / Safari. That will give you all three.

Seats 7-8

Winter / towing no problem.

Total death trap so every drive is super exciting!
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Old 12-30-2016, 01:25 PM   #65
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There are a lot of former LR/RR guys moving into Monteros over on ExPo.
Why would people presumably with a little bit of cash not move to 100 series Land Cruisers instead?
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Old 12-30-2016, 01:38 PM   #66
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Why would people presumably with a little bit of cash not move to 100 series Land Cruisers instead?

Jay-Z switched to one and it's hard to find a nice 64 Impala anymore.
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Old 12-30-2016, 02:02 PM   #67
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Why would people presumably with a little bit of cash not move to 100 series Land Cruisers instead?
Not everyone on ExPo is loaded.

Dollar to dollar you get a lot more Montero.

You can pick these things up for a couple grand needing work (things you would replace anyway) Timing belt, suspension, ugly. All that stuff is either maintenance, going away with a lift, or who gives a **** for an offroader.

LC's I wish. If they were comparable in price, I would go LC every time.
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Old 12-30-2016, 03:02 PM   #68
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Buick Rendezvous?

IIRC they were available with a 3rd row and AWD

Should be cheap on the used market, and parts should be pretty cheap.
Not much in the way of towing capacity, IIRC.
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Suburban. There are literally one billion of them on CL for so cheap they are almost giving them away.
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Suburban. There are literally one billion of them on CL for so cheap they are almost giving them away.
Bleh.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:14 PM   #71
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I just picked up a 1998 Toyota Land Cruiser from upstate NY on craigslist for $5800 with 180,000 and no rust. While that may be rare, you can find 100 series or older LC for $10k or less with high mileage.
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:14 AM   #72
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Lexus GX never got a mention?
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Old 12-31-2016, 01:20 PM   #73
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Mazda CX-9? They seem to be pretty cheap around here, not sure if it would still be better to just get an old MDX. I think the mazda has a timing chain. Didn't honda have an issue with transmissions for the v6 for, well ever.

This car... I've had a lot of AWD/4wd vehicles and my old CX-9 awd with Blizzak DM-V1s was the far and away most capable and surefooted snow/ice vehicle. What a f'n tank!
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Lexus GX never got a mention?
They're not bad... just pricey. Also, based on pictures, it doesn't look like the 3rd row folds flat... looks like you have to remove the seats and put them in the garage?
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Like I said earlier, lifted AWD Astro / Safari. That will give you all three.

Seats 7-8

Winter / towing no problem.

Total death trap so every drive is super exciting!
You really should have gone through with this plan.

Someone just posted this on r/battlecars.

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