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Old 10-06-2016, 09:29 AM   #1
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The performance purists will never agree that automatics can enhance driving skills – though they do, and are also now way faster than a human – but Ford seems to don’t mind the agony screams.

Since we’re talking about America, of course more and more buyers are going for the automatics even when discussing traditional manual-touting sports cars. Porsche for example sells more PDK-enabled units of the 911 even though it has a great seven-speed manual. Now Ford is looking to join the party and the Blue Oval might be developing a dual-clutch transmission for the sporty Shelby GT350 Mustang. The news comes from forum Mustang6G.com and they have a history of getting the rumors right. And anyways, putting a track-enhancing DCT inside the Mustang is no reason to be surprised, as it would help drivers slash precious seconds off lap times.

If Ford is indeed working on a dual-clutch automatic transmission for the Shelby GT350 Mustang, there’s no clue how many gears it will sport. The incoming Ford GT will pack a seven-speed unit so the engineers might take that one and rework it to fit the Mustang as well, but for now we have no way of knowing. And we’re hoping Ford will not retire the manual transmission, in order to keep the fans looking to do their own work.
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:36 AM   #2
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...don't make it in China.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:10 AM   #3
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Does this mean I can buy a manual R at MSRP soon?
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:42 AM   #4
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I'm sure that will help keep costs down.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:43 AM   #5
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The performance purists will never agree that automatics can enhance driving skills
for me at least, this has nothing to do with it. I completely recognize that current automatic transmissions are the better true performance transmission. I don't need the "fastest" version. I want the version that engages my mind. I am forced to engage more with the car when driving a manual. My mind wanders more when I'm driving an automatic. That's really all there is to it, at least for me.

My big concern: Will this mean more or less C&C crash videos?
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:46 AM   #6
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It is about physical interaction. Lap times mean exactly ****. Who are you racing with a street car on public roads?

The DSG will double the sales of the GT350.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:48 PM   #7
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It is about physical interaction. Lap times mean exactly ****. Who are you racing with a street car on public roads?

The DSG will double the sales of the GT350.
Even on track.. a couple milliseconds between shifts isn't going to make much difference for a weekend racer. It's not like you're racing for cash.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:15 PM   #8
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why not just use the 10-speed you developed with GM?

this is dumb speculation.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:49 PM   #9
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why not just use the 10-speed you developed with GM?

this is dumb speculation.
10AT for the GT, DCT for the GT350?

http://www.tremec.com/menu.php?m=149
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IF they went with a DCT for the GT350, might as well slap in some drift mode AWD. A GTR350 would be magazine racing cool.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:57 PM   #11
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regardless of which auto they put in (10AT or DCT), it will increase sales.
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Who are you racing with a street car on public roads?
Anyone and everyone?
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Does this mean I can buy a manual R at MSRP soon?

I'm just waiting for that day to trade in for a GT350R.
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Old 10-06-2016, 03:34 PM   #14
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I hope seeing it's going to be low capacity it's built by Getrag, BW, ZF, etc not Ford. The Getrag developed Ford built (China and Mexico) transmissions have had a fair bit of problems.
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Even on track.. a couple milliseconds between shifts isn't going to make much difference for a weekend racer. It's not like you're racing for cash.

Don't forget, the way these articles are written, they make it seem like the car achieved a quick lap time all by itself. You can put Randy Pobst in the "slower" version of any car, and I'd still lose.


Look at the sales disparity between automatic and manual transmission performance vehicles. Automatics will always outsell the manual version. Automakers know this. People are inherently lazy (and want convenience).

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Old 10-06-2016, 07:07 PM   #16
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Does this mean I can buy a manual R at MSRP soon?
Discontinued, so it gets a market and rarity adjustments added to it
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I hope seeing it's going to be low capacity it's built by Getrag, BW, ZF, etc not Ford. The Getrag developed Ford built (China and Mexico) transmissions have had a fair bit of problems.
Ford bought and benchmarked a 991 GT3 for the PDK so they could figure out how to design and build a better one.
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Ford bought and benchmarked a 991 GT3 for the PDK so they could figure out how to design and build a better one.
Hopefully they didn't copy the 2014 motor that was replaced on all 2014's and they get the cams and followers properly oiled. Porsche has and still taking a bath on the 991 GT3. That being said the PDK seems to be holding up well and man those shifts are lightning fast.

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Even on track.. a couple milliseconds between shifts isn't going to make much difference for a weekend racer. It's not like you're racing for cash.
But the magazine racers will love it...
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Old 10-07-2016, 12:36 PM   #20
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The more I watch World Challange, FIA GT, etc., racing...the more a dual clutch transmission becomes cool to me.
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The more I watch World Challange, FIA GT, etc., racing...the more a dual clutch transmission becomes cool to me.
I'm stuck in three pedal world, I understand other people want auto's or automated manuals, but haven't really followed DCT development lately; but my qualm (aside from lack of three pedals) with DCT's is traffic destroys them; eg. clutches can be done in 30k miles if you don any kind of creeping or stop and go on the regular - Isn't this still the issue with DCT's? or have they improved such that you get full engagement at a much lower RPM and can creep without excessively wearing the clutches?
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But the magazine racers will love it...
Yep, just like sportbikes, what is possible in the hands of the expert's expert is all that matters to them. Real world doesn't mean dick all
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Hopefully they didn't copy the 2014 motor that was replaced on all 2014's and they get the cams and followers properly oiled. Porsche has and still taking a bath on the 991 GT3. That being said the PDK seems to be holding up well and man those shifts are lightning fast.

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Why would they copy a flat-6 motor for their flat plane crank V8? Or are you just dropping random information into this thread?

I would much rather deal with Porsche's world-class customer service than any of the Big Three. Just look at the DCT debacle in the base Focus.
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Old 10-07-2016, 04:22 PM   #24
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Are we now calling DCTs "automatics"?

I can see why, but I still like to differentiate between torque converter, hydraulic pressure regulated traditional autos (even with 8,9,10+ gears) and traditional clutched, gear-on-gear manuals.
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I consider a single clutch a manual, but a dual clutch an automatic at this point - due to the refinement of the dual-clutch boxes and the better performing autos - they're converging to a very similar experience. The ZF8 is not the PDK-S, but when comparing at similar price points, like the ZF8 in the F-type vs the BMW DCT, I think it's close enough to call the dual clutches autos.
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