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Old 10-07-2016, 05:34 PM   #26
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The PDK-S is the one in the current GT3, right? From what I've experienced in the "plebian" PDK in a Cayman GTS, I'd have no problem taking that over a 6MT. First DCT box I've ever felt that way about The M DCT and DSG are different stories.

Edit: after doing some reading apparently the track is where the regular PDK starts to fall on its face. That's disappointing, I take back my previous statement
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:55 PM   #27
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Why would they copy a flat-6 motor for their flat plane crank V8? Or are you just dropping random information into this thread?

I would much rather deal with Porsche's world-class customer service than any of the Big Three. Just look at the DCT debacle in the base Focus.
Just saying Porsche doesn't exactly have its act together with its newer cars. And I have had GT3's and GT2's so this is 1st hand knowledge not internet hype. I am not knocking their customer service or maybe I am with Porsche's lack of customer service with the glued in coolant fitting debacle.

Let us also not forget the class action IMS bearing lawsuit, another example of Porsche taking care of its customers.

Now back to dual clutch Transmission and the real increase in demand for the GT350. They are not my cup of tea as I feel part of driving on track is executing a perfect heel/toe downshift. Besides a little quicker shift wouldn't cure my hack driving

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Old 10-07-2016, 08:50 PM   #28
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27 replies and nobody mentions the awesome shade of red?
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Old 10-07-2016, 11:47 PM   #29
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27 replies and nobody mentions the awesome shade of red?
I came here to post this! I saw the pic and then immediately started wiping ji........err..... drool off the screen.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:46 PM   #30
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Just saying Porsche doesn't exactly have its act together with its newer cars. And I have had GT3's and GT2's so this is 1st hand knowledge not internet hype. I am not knocking their customer service or maybe I am with Porsche's lack of customer service with the glued in coolant fitting debacle.

Let us also not forget the class action IMS bearing lawsuit, another example of Porsche taking care of its customers.

Now back to dual clutch Transmission and the real increase in demand for the GT350. They are not my cup of tea as I feel part of driving on track is executing a perfect heel/toe downshift. Besides a little quicker shift wouldn't cure my hack driving
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I think the question toward your engine comment was less about Porsche and more about the lack of reference. Thread about DCT. I commented about Ford buying a fancy PDK / DCT car to benchmark the trans. You commented on the engine. Confusion followed.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:50 PM   #31
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The more I watch World Challange, FIA GT, etc., racing...the more a dual clutch transmission becomes cool to me.
Umm... I'm pretty sure the GT3 R cup cars Porsche puts out use a racing-specific sequential trans, not a dual-clutch box.

Dual clutches are great for the street, but they're heavy and less efficient than a simple dry-clutch sequential box.

I'm sure some of the exotics are using their street-style DCTs because development of a better racing-specific trans is probably less desirable.
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Old 10-09-2016, 01:48 AM   #32
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The concept of flappy paddles is the same though, and I think that's what he's getting at. I would love to track a flappy paddle car, it's just another type of experience.

Plus I can't miss shifts that way
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Old 10-09-2016, 09:04 PM   #33
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I just hope Ford learned its lesson from the Fiesta/Focus transmission fiasco. Make sure the damn thing can handle serious track use.
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Old 10-09-2016, 09:20 PM   #34
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I just hope Ford learned its lesson from the Fiesta/Focus transmission fiasco. Make sure the damn thing can handle serious track use.
Didn't the Mustang already have transmission issues?
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:22 AM   #35
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Didn't the Mustang already have transmission issues?
The ChiCom-made MT-82 is not in the GT 350/R. The Tremec 3160 it has appears to not have those issues. The FWD cars mentioned were available with the craptastic dual (dry)clutch automatic transmission referenced though the issues have allegedly been resolved if Ford is to be believed.
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Old 10-14-2016, 03:02 PM   #36
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If this actually happens it will be interesting to see how a dct goes over with Ford customers. I love the gt350 but with ADM they are crazy expensive.
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:34 AM   #37
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From what I've heard, 2017 will be the last year for the GT350 but I hope its not true. I don't put much faith in this rumor at all. Ford doesn't even have a performance DCT unless you talk about the one in the Ford GT. Even then no one has even driven that car and I don't see that transmission being cheap enough to stick in a Mustang.
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Despite getting a series of upgrades and an Heritage Edition for 2020, the Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 will not survive much longer, according to Ford Authority, which cites “sources familiar with The Blue Oval’s product plans.”
This includes both the GT350 and the track-focused GT350R. Without saying when exactly, the website claims the two cars “will be discontinued in the near future.”
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As high-performance variants of the standard Mustang, the pair features a 5.2-litre V8 that cranks out 526 horsepower and 429 pound-feet of torque via a six-speed manual transmission. Pricing starts at $76,425 and $92,420, respectively.


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The latter is barely cheaper than the all-new and almighty 2020 Shelby GT500 ($94,675), whose supercharged 5.2-litre V8 unleashes 760 ponies along with 625 pound-feet of torque through a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission. The sound effects are not the same and no manual option is available here, but the performance gap is quite substantial.
Ford won’t be confirming this report until a later date, of course. VIN-decoding searches shared by the Mustang6G and Mach-E Club forums arrive at a similar conclusion, however.

The good news is that the same information suggests the return of the Mustang Mach 1 is not just a rumour.

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That model would arrive as early as next year, slotting above the Mustang GT as a permanent replacement for the Bullitt special edition. The V8 is expected to produce about 480 horsepower, maybe more, which would somewhat justify killing the GT350.

Keep in mind that Ford intends to build a new range of models around the Mustang. You already know the Mustang Mach-E electric crossover. The next addition could very well be the Mustang Mach 1.
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Old 10-03-2020, 06:34 AM   #40
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Earlier this week, the Ford Motor Company made it official that they will be killing off the Shelby GT350 iterations of the Mustang at the end of the year. The flat-plane crankshaft-having muscle car is unlike anything that came before it in the segment, and may never be repeated. Following the news of this decision, MC&T sat down with Head of Mustang Marketing Jim Owens to discuss why Ford has decided to “sunset” the much adored S550 Mustang GT350 and GT350R.

When Ford made the official announcement earlier this week that the Shelby GT350 would be leaving the lineup, the company pointed towards the fact that the GT500 model is now here to fill the range-topping role. Furthermore, the company noted that the Mustang Mach 1 will be joining the lineup for the 2021 model year. However, both of the new models take a drastically different approach to performance than the outgoing GT350. This isn’t a gaffe by Ford, but rather a deliberate decision to follow the same path that brought us the VooDoo-powered pony car in the first place.

“We bring in names that are surrounded by product attributes over a period of time… the GT350 learned a lot of things over that sixth-gen (S550) platform to continue to improve it,” said Owens. “Think Boss 302 – it was in and out for two years – that had a base program team and a Ford Performance team that got on (the program). So now as the GT350 sunsets, the Mach 1 comes in, that is the pinnacle of 5.0L performance.”

While Owens didn’t openly say so, the performance abilities of the Mach 1 would also appear to squeeze the the Mustang GT350 and 350R too tightly against itself and the 760 horsepower GT500.

“On the road course, with the handling package, it’s absolutely amazing, and it’s learned from the GT350. So as those product attributes evolve, we come up with product attributes that come up with the nomenclature,” he said.

According to this answer, the Mach 1 should arrive as a genuine step on from the GT350 in terms of performance. That said, it will definitely lack the sense of theatre that comes along with revving that 5.2L flat-plane V8 past 8,000 rpm. When asked whether or not the team ever considered stuffing the VooDoo V8 into Mach 1, Owens stated that the team was focused on building the pinnacle of 5.0L performance. The marketing executive refused to comment as to whether or not the engine will die alongside the Shelby. Currently, the Ford Performance cate engine portfolio is absent of engines such as the VooDoo V8, as well as the supercharged Predator V8 engine in the GT500.

The VooDoo V8 very well could be the reason that the GT350 is leaving the lineup however. The naturally-aspirated Shelby is not available for sale in Europe, after EU regulators banned the car from being officially sold by Ford due to its emissions output. The same fate happened to the GT500. However, S550 Ford Mustang GT coupes and convertibles that carry a 5.0L V8 engine are permissible for sale across the pond.

“Mach 1 is going to be global where GT350 was not,” said Owens. “Global demand for the Mustang is huge.” Pricing for the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 has not been officially announced at the time of this writing.

And while that is all fine and good, the Mach 1 isn’t a direct replacement in the marketplace for the car they are taking away. In fact, Ford plans to limit the production figures for the Mach 1 in order to preserve the car’s value, and won’t disclose how much will be built. Between the Shelby GT350 and the Mach 1, it does beg the question if which car will truly become a more valuable asset, considering that a 5.0L V8 has been under the hood of literally millions upon millions of Mustangs over the years.

Where the Mach 1 is no doubt going to be a collector’s item, the S550 Mustang GT350 carries the same merit. For example, just 100 GT350s were built for the 2015 model year, and the 2015 GT350R is even more uncommon. Just 37 of them were built for the 2015 model year, making it the absolute unicorn of the S550 Mustang family. And for its sendoff, both the Mustang GT350 and GT350R are available with a throwback Heritage Edition package (pictured). This $1,965 bundle brings no mechanical changes, and comes exclusively in a throwback Wimbledon White/Guardsman Blue livery, blue badges, and a dash plaque. Both the price and look pay homage to the first victory of the original GT350, with Ken Miles behind the wheel, in 1965.
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I wonder if the grenading 5.2s was the reason why the GT350 went away? Lots of stories of nearly new voodoo engines eating themselves.
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I wonder if the grenading 5.2s was the reason why the GT350 went away? Lots of stories of nearly new voodoo engines eating themselves.
The GT350 was always intended to be a limited run. Same with GT500.
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The GT350 was always intended to be a limited run. Same with GT500.
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Ha, no but I like it!
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You’d be very surprised with the reality of that handle. But it’s classified. So if I told you I’d have to kill you.
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Makes sense. It sounds like the Mach 1 is going to occupy the same handling/road course focused role that the GT350 did. It wouldn't make sense to have both of them.
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Ford should make the Mach 1 available with either the Tremec manual gearbox from the GT 350 or the DCT from the GT 500 ala Porsche 911.

IMO, the Voodoo engine alone makes the GT 350/R more special in the long run.
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The GT350 came out in 2015, not sure why it's a surprise they'd end it in 2020, it's been 5 years.

I just hope they continue using the Voodoo engine, I really need to own that engine. Will get a used GT350 if I have to, but not a Covid model (spring or summer 2020 production.
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Ford should make the Mach 1 available with either the Tremec manual gearbox from the GT 350 or the DCT from the GT 500 ala Porsche 911.

IMO, the Voodoo engine alone makes the GT 350/R more special in the long run.
The Mach1 does have a Tremec manual.
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The GT350 came out in 2015, not sure why it's a surprise they'd end it in 2020, it's been 5 years.

I just hope they continue using the Voodoo engine, I really need to own that engine. Will get a used GT350 if I have to, but not a Covid model (spring or summer 2020 production.
COVID model?
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