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Old 10-04-2020, 08:53 PM   #51
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COVID model?
Built when companies were doing things like putting admin people to work in the factory, lol. The entire supply chain is gonna have issues with quality, imo.
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Old 10-04-2020, 10:45 PM   #52
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Really tempted to GT350R before it's axed
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Old 10-05-2020, 07:19 PM   #53
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Apparently the Voodoo is not available as a crate engine. Man, it would sound so refreshingly different hearing that exhaust over the gazillions of LS motors shoved into everything.
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Old 10-05-2020, 08:23 PM   #54
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Well I’m pretty sure the order banks are closed so if you want a new one you better pounce soon. The last ones will roll off the line in December.
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Old 10-06-2020, 08:19 AM   #55
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Apparently the Voodoo is not available as a crate engine. Man, it would sound so refreshingly different hearing that exhaust over the gazillions of LS motors shoved into everything.
There are three main reasons the LS finds it's way into everything under the sun: price, availability & packaging; it's cheap, plentiful and small (dimensionally); the Voodoo is none of those things. I do agree with you though, hearing more FPC engines on a daily basis would be welcomed.
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Old 10-06-2020, 11:09 AM   #56
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FPC will live on in the upcoming Z06.
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Old 10-06-2020, 12:23 PM   #57
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There are three main reasons the LS finds it's way into everything under the sun: price, availability & packaging; it's cheap, plentiful and small (dimensionally); the Voodoo is none of those things. I do agree with you though, hearing more FPC engines on a daily basis would be welcomed.
Not to mention reliability and weight. Chevy has done a good job more often than not at delivering reliable high performance engines.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:29 PM   #58
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FPC will live on in the upcoming Z06.
DCT only, and 85k starting price, not quite as desirable or approachable as a GT350.

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Not to mention reliability and weight. Chevy has done a good job more often than not at delivering reliable high performance engines.
Yeah weight/power output ratio is good too; there is a long list of reasons why the LS just makes sense for a lot of applications. I'm deciding between an aluminum LS NA build and a 351w with a twin screw or roots blower - same power output goals, different ways to get there, the iron block Windsor w/aluminum heads and a blower is around 150lbs heavier & $1,500+/- more expensive than the LS, but it will make blower noises.. I don't give a wet-slap about purity, I care about fun, not sure if the windsor is worth the extra money just for blower noises though... I toyed with a twin screw/roots blower on the LS, but I'd overshoot my power target and more importantly, my budget. It's gotta be a twin screw or roots blower though, I'm going for theater, not dyno numbers; no turbos or centrifugals.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:32 PM   #59
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DCT only, and 85k starting price, not quite as desirable or approachable as a GT350.



Yeah weight/power output ratio is good too; there is a long list of reasons why the LS just makes sense for a lot of applications. I'm deciding between an aluminum LS NA build and a 351w with a twin screw or roots blower - same power output goals, different ways to get there, the iron block Windsor w/aluminum heads and a blower is around 150lbs heavier & $1,500+/- more expensive than the LS, but it will make blower noises.. I don't give a wet-slap about purity, I care about fun, not sure if the windsor is worth the extra money just for blower noises though... I toyed with a twin screw/roots blower on the LS, but I'd overshoot my power target and more importantly, my budget. It's gotta be a twin screw or roots blower though, I'm going for theater, not dyno numbers; no turbos or centrifugals.
I’ve been planning an all aluminum small main 351w based stroker but some of the various LS engines can put down similar numbers stock.
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:43 PM   #60
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DCT only, and 85k starting price, not quite as desirable or approachable as a GT350.



Yeah weight/power output ratio is good too; there is a long list of reasons why the LS just makes sense for a lot of applications. I'm deciding between an aluminum LS NA build and a 351w with a twin screw or roots blower - same power output goals, different ways to get there, the iron block Windsor w/aluminum heads and a blower is around 150lbs heavier & $1,500+/- more expensive than the LS, but it will make blower noises.. I don't give a wet-slap about purity, I care about fun, not sure if the windsor is worth the extra money just for blower noises though... I toyed with a twin screw/roots blower on the LS, but I'd overshoot my power target and more importantly, my budget. It's gotta be a twin screw or roots blower though, I'm going for theater, not dyno numbers; no turbos or centrifugals.

why not just skip all the newer LS stuff all together. Build an old school iron block SBC with a nice 6-71 Roots on it. If you want theater that would do the job and would be cheaper than any newer FI build. You could keep the camshaft on the milder side and still easily top 500HP and be perfectly streetable.
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Old 10-06-2020, 03:56 PM   #61
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why not just skip all the newer LS stuff all together. Build an old school iron block SBC with a nice 6-71 Roots on it. If you want theater that would do the job and would be cheaper than any newer FI build. You could keep the camshaft on the milder side and still easily top 500HP and be perfectly streetable.
It's going in my 66 mustang; if I'm staying old school it's a Windsor with a blower, if I'm going bowtie it's an aluminum LS - honestly building an iron block SBC with a blower is about the same money and likely more than an aluminum NA LS build which will net the power I'm looking for in NA trim, a SBC will weigh as much as the Windsor with a blower; there just isn't a reason to go there over a Windsor for me. I don't want much power, ~400whp will be plenty, maybe even too much in this car, I just like blower noises which is why I'm contemplating it. An advantage of an LS blower build is that there is stuff out there in GM cars that are proven reliable from the factory; the second gen CTS-V put down about 500hp/500tq at the wheels and they go forever, I could start there, with a smaller pulley and be happy with the overhead in the engine for when the more power itch hits again in 5ish years; the R&D is done for me already. I also am staying with pump gas, no E85 or alcohol. Not a track or drag car build, it's a street car that will probably see the occasional track day. One thing is certain though, it's real easy to spend money.

The advantage of an Aluminum LS NA is less weight on the front end for my power goal, the advantage of a Windsor with a blower is theater, just have to decide what is more important to me; not exactly a lot of examples of those particular cars out there to test drive to see which I prefer, you know what I mean?
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Old 10-09-2020, 03:02 PM   #62
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Local dealer has a new GT500. $25k ADM. $103k for a, excuse me while I choke back a laugh... a 77 thousand dollar ... Mustang.

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Old 10-09-2020, 04:23 PM   #63
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Yeah we've crossed into the stupid zone now.
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Old 10-09-2020, 04:37 PM   #64
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I was looking at the GT500s on car.com and they had multiple in the $125k range.
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Old 10-09-2020, 04:41 PM   #65
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Ain't got nothing on this local beauty:

https://www.pierreford.com/new-Seatt...6P8CF4L5126802

$152K asking... Sticker says $50k. I'm confused...

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Old 10-09-2020, 05:02 PM   #66
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Ain't got nothing on this local beauty:

https://www.pierreford.com/new-Seatt...6P8CF4L5126802

$152K asking... Sticker says $50k. I'm confused...
To be fair... they do have a $500 Military Appreciation Bonus. Bunch of softies that they are...
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Old 10-09-2020, 06:22 PM   #67
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Ain't got nothing on this local beauty:

https://www.pierreford.com/new-Seatt...6P8CF4L5126802

$152K asking... Sticker says $50k. I'm confused...
It's a Shelby Upgrade - But which package? Probably trying to push "Super Snake" Package...
Shelby.com

There's a "Super Snake" Convertible at a dealer near me in MA - but you can see the car and it was ordered / built / delivered to the dealer $133K....
https://www.saratford.net/new/Ford/2...earchDepth=3:3

So yeah = expensive mustangs - but "Shelby" special editions and 700+WHP

All that said = Not for me - would rather custom mod to my own specs for less $$ than "Shelby" (if I wanted to build a Mustang)
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It's a Shelby Upgrade - But which package? Probably trying to push "Super Snake" Package...
Shelby.com
Thats what I was wondering... had me confused. So a 50k car plus a Shelby package... got it. Still crazy stupid for a mustang to cost 150k...
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I got scared watching it..ahhh when he graps 5th near end that's where boys and men are separated and sixth well that's when lawyers have Probate popping their head.

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You can teach a chimp how to drive fast in a straight line. Not really impressive.
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Old 01-19-2021, 02:03 PM   #71
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You can teach a chimp how to drive fast in a straight line. Not really impressive.

I dunno, in America it seems even driving in a straight line at any speed can be difficult these days IMO based on some stupid ***** I see on the road.
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Old 01-20-2021, 11:17 AM   #72
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The gauge was a little fuzzy on my playback, was that 180 MPH?
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The gauge was a little fuzzy on my playback, was that 180 MPH?
275kph/170.9mph
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You can teach a chimp how to drive fast in a straight line. Not really impressive.
Unfortunately, a nontrivial number of Subaru drivers can't seem to do so even with EyeSight.
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Old 01-20-2021, 11:37 AM   #75
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275kph/170.9mph
I thought it would be higher.

I've seen high top ends on the long stretches on large tracks, but on much more aerodynamic cars.

That front grill kills the top end, but that car isn't about top speed.
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