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Old 12-18-2020, 02:59 PM   #26
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Oh look who crawled out of the Tesla thread. Must be hard for you to watch and read the good press for the Mach E. This is just the beginning as it's a matter of time until more alternatives pop up and vie for a piece of the EV pie. This is probably peak times for your beloved company so you should enjoy these days while you can.
you are asking a very silly question that's why I think is so funny. The EV global market is only 2% so there is plenty or room for competitors. Reviews mean nothing I would wait for sales numbers. I don't think you read the Motor Trend article the Model Y won. I hope Ford sell lots of Mach-e way better than any ICE.
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you are asking a very silly question that's why I think is so funny. The EV global market is only 2% so there is plenty or room for competitors. Reviews mean nothing I would wait for sales numbers. I don't think you read the Motor Trend article the Model Y won. I hope Ford sell lots of Mach-e way better than any ICE.
Dude, you post Tesla after Tesla reviews so for you to say “reviews mean nothing” seems a little ironic. And how in the hell is the Mach E better than any ICE vehicle? I could rattle off a handful of vehicles better than the Mach E.

The Mach E is a good vehicle but there are still plenty of vehicles I’d take over a Mach E.
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Old 12-18-2020, 04:35 PM   #28
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Dude, you post Tesla after Tesla reviews so for you to say "reviews mean nothing" seems a little ironic. And how in the hell is the Mach E better than any ICE vehicle? I could rattle off a handful of vehicles better than the Mach E.

The Mach E is a good vehicle but there are still plenty of vehicles I'd take over a Mach E.
Yes reviews of Tesla but not reviews of Tesla compared to anyone else because there was no one else . Also their sales number speak by themselves. You can take obsolete crap if you want. Have you seen the Tesla stock lately I wonder where is ENick... efing idiots.

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Old 12-18-2020, 06:09 PM   #29
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Tesla is cool and makes good things, mostly, but I don't get the obsession either. I'm just happy EVs are poised to take over. :shrug:
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The Mach E looks good and like what it is. I don't like the name or it using the Mustang name. I would like to see a proper Mustang coupe with an EV power train. I hope it sells as competition is good.
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Yes reviews of Tesla but not reviews of Tesla compared to anyone else because there was no one else . Also their sales number speak by themselves. You can take obsolete crap if you want. Have you seen the Tesla stock lately I wonder where is ENick... efing idiots.
I don’t think you know the definition of “obsolete” let alone how Tesla stock is in no way correlated to its revenue, profit, etc.
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I know this has been said before, but they really missed the boat not naming this the Gallax-E
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The Mach E looks good and like what it is. I don't like the name or it using the Mustang name. I would like to see a proper Mustang coupe with an EV power train. I hope it sells as competition is good.
Agree. Not saying anything about the quality of the Mach E, I think giving it the Mustang name is misleading and off-putting for the previous generations of true Mustangs. From what I’ve heard in podcasts about their first drives, it sounds like people are already casually dropping the ‘Mustang’ from the name, instead just referring to it as the ‘Mach E’.
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I know this has been said before, but they really missed the boat not naming this the Gallax-E


You are 100% correct.
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Agree. Not saying anything about the quality of the Mach E, I think giving it the Mustang name is misleading and off-putting for the previous generations of true Mustangs. From what I’ve heard in podcasts about their first drives, it sounds like people are already casually dropping the ‘Mustang’ from the name, instead just referring to it as the ‘Mach E’.
Even the sales reps at the dealer are just referring to it as the “Mach-E.” I agree that having the Mustang name as part of the model Is stupid but also don’t think it makes a damn bit of difference.
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https://insideevs.com/reviews/463604...SZbjL24Gd8OgKE

Cliff notes: The Ford is an all-around better car, It feels better screwed together, it's more comfortable and it's easier to use than the Tesla. However, I'm not convinced it's a better electric car. Waiting for the Mach E GT for final comparison review.
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Cliff notes: The Ford is an all-around better car, It feels better screwed together, it's more comfortable and it's easier to use than the Tesla. However, I'm not convinced it's a better electric car. Waiting for the Mach E GT for final comparison review.
My take:
Ford Mach E: Better built vehicle & more usable - better QA/QC, better interior layout, & better user interface.
Tesla Y: Better electronics (motors, batteries & controllers).

Even though the GT will be as quick or quicker than the Model Y it will not have electronics that rival Teslas, that's where Tesla is ahead of the industry. I'd like the Tesla batteries, motors & controllers stuffed into a legacy auto manufacturers vehicle.
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My take:
Ford Mach E: Better built vehicle & more usable - better QA/QC, better interior layout, & better user interface.
Tesla Y: Better electronics (motors, batteries & controllers).

Even though the GT will be as quick or quicker than the Model Y it will not have electronics that rival Teslas, that's where Tesla is ahead of the industry. I'd like the Tesla batteries, motors & controllers stuffed into a legacy auto manufacturers vehicle.
Pretty much agree with your points. I don’t think anyone can argue that Tesla has the best batteries, motors, and misc electronics. I’ve really tried to like Tesla vehicles but it’s just not my jam. Personal opinion, they feel cheap and like disposable appliances. I’ve driven just about every P model and performance model they offer and while the acceleration is unlike anything I’ve driven before, I find the fun factor of it wears off and for a daily driver, I honestly don’t give a damn if it’s faster than most other vehicles.

I drove the standard Mach E and I was pretty damn impressed. Assuming Ford doesn’t have an onslaught of recalls and issues, I think Ford has a damn solid future in the EV market.
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Cliff notes: The Ford is an all-around better car, It feels better screwed together, it's more comfortable and it's easier to use than the Tesla. However, I'm not convinced it's a better electric car. Waiting for the Mach E GT for final comparison review.
They also said that the Tesla Model Y Performance is more fun to drive but they have to try out the Mach-E GT. Also, the range estimation of the Mach-E in cold weather looked disappointing but they want to do real world testing to see what they get. The Mach-E GT cold weather rage estimation would be even worse.

It looks like the Mach-E is a good car but I don't think I can ever own a Ford. I would love to see a Toyota, Subaru or Honda compelling EV for me to switch from Tesla.
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They also said that the Tesla Model Y Performance is more fun to drive but they have to try out the Mach-E GT. Also, the range estimation of the Mach-E in cold weather looked disappointing but they want to do real world testing to see what they get. The Mach-E GT cold weather rage estimation would be even worse.

It looks like the Mach-E is a good car but I don't think I can ever own a Ford. I would love to see a Toyota, Subaru or Honda compelling EV for me to switch from Tesla.
Subaru, Honda and Toyota have all been garbage ****ing companies for the last 10 years due to penny pinching CFO's. Ford has literally fired damn near every top level executive to reinvent the company. There was a reaso. They stopped producing passenger cars and invested billions upon billions into EV.

Do you even quarterly earnings call or read anything investor relations related?

Let's break some things down:

Subaru: Same engine in the Sti for nearly 17 years. Had to develop a chassis with Toyota (brz). Ascent had been lack luster with recalls. Nearing the bottom end of reliability and **** infotainment.

Toyota: Had an o use the Subaru engine and trans. Couldn't develop their own Supra so crated a hardtop BMW Z4. Prius had more or less been the same for 10+ years.

Honda: Has the civic type R. Cool beans bro.

Ford: Top selling vehicle (f150) that equals more than the next 3 top global selling vehicles combined. Canceled passenger vehicles to invest over $100B into EV. Has money invested into Rivian released the Mach E which nearly every review has said it's a solid vehicle, better than Tesla in terms of quality but lacking in terms of tech.

But yeah, the Japanese autos are the ones making the lead

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Your definition of "garbage" is... interesting.
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Subaru, Honda and Toyota have all been garbage ****ing companies for the last 10 years due to penny pinching CFO's. Ford has literally fired damn near every top level executive to reinvent the company. There was a reaso. They stopped producing passenger cars and invested billions upon billions into EV.

Do you even quarterly earnings call or read anything investor relations related?

Let's break some things down:

Subaru: Same engine in the Sti for nearly 17 years. Had to develop a chassis with Toyota (brz). Ascent had been lack luster with recalls. Nearing the bottom end of reliability and **** infotainment.

Toyota: Had an o use the Subaru engine and trans. Couldn't develop their own Supra so crated a hardtop BMW Z4. Prius had more or less been the same for 10+ years.

Honda: Has the civic type R. Cool beans bro.

Ford: Top selling vehicle (f150) that equals more than the next 3 top global selling vehicles combined. Canceled passenger vehicles to invest over $100B into EV. Has money invested into Rivian released the Mach E which nearly every review has said it's a solid vehicle, better than Tesla in terms of quality but lacking in terms of tech.

But yeah, the Japanese autos are the ones making the lead
no I do not follow Ford at all but I do have personal experience with my parents and my in-laws cars and they have been terrible. Blown transmissions and engine left and right. Right now my father in-law F250 diesel keeps throwing a code and dealership is unable to fix it after many visits. He is a die hard Ford guy so he is trading it for another F250 but a gasoline one I think. The trucks do hold their value his truck has 90k miles and his trade in value is 45k . I owned Toyota's, Honda's and Subaru's and they have been great cars other than my Lexus IS-F door cars and dash disintegrating . From my understanding the Ford Focus RS is very problematic car.

I think VW has a better chance at being a better EV player than Ford.
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no I do not follow Ford at all

I think VW has a better chance at being a better EV player than Ford.
You apparently dont follow VW either. With their history of electrical system failures and you think they will have a good EV.
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You apparently dont follow VW either. With their history of electrical system failures and you think they will have a good EV.

With their rushed to market rollout of the ID3 - don't think that was the kind of VW bug(s) they were hoping for.
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You apparently dont follow VW either. With their history of electrical system failures and you think they will have a good EV.
I didn't say I will buy their car or want one or they will be good. Their CEO is vocally pro EV all day long and they are pouring 73 billion euros into EV's while Ford is doing it slowly and discretely to not offend their truck costumers. Porsche owns I believe 30% of Rimac that will help them a lot in their transition to EV.

Yes the ID3 and ID4 are not great. They don't have frunk, the ID3 is so overweight that with Europe regulation you are only allowed to carry 4 adults, acceleration is not great compare to other EV's, they have a bunch of software issues and you have to go to the dealership for a 12hr software update . But I still think VW is transitioning faster to EV's.
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But I still think VW is transitioning faster to EV's.
Faster doesn’t matter. Better does. If you want to be an early ev adopter, get a Tesla.
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Faster doesn’t matter. Better does. If you want to be an early ev adopter, get a Tesla.
Not everyone wants a tesla...

I'd fork over money to VW for an EV before I ever thought about forking money over to Ford.

I will never give money to Tesla.
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while Ford is doing it slowly and discretely to not offend their truck costumers.
Where do you come up with this stuff?

Ford names their first EV a Mustang. Real discreet.

The EV F-150 hasn't exactly been a secret, it's just taking some time. Besides, the hybrid F150 is their number 1 offender, I mean focus, at this time. Most manufacturers don't build hype about vaporware the way that Tesla does.
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