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Old 01-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #2426
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well, my mechanic fixed the leak with a new hose and new clamps. Now, the lines on the opposite side of the engine are leaking. its back at the shop, now getting ALL the fuel lines replaced with new clamps to avoid this problem in the future.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:26 PM   #2427
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If SOA dosent fix my car, Ill be getting aftermarket fuel rails (and injectors..and turbo inlet pipe..and turbo)
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:27 PM   #2428
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Lightly modded (SPT Intake, Prodrive axleback)

Problem occurs when temps are below freezing and heat is on with Fresh air coming in. This is our third winter with the car (bought used) and the first time it's happened.

I called SOA and got a case#. Scheduled an appointment with my dealership (great service guy) and have it going in next Thur. Told him that SOA would be calling while he had the car. He knew the issue right away and said the tech (that usually works on my car) has it on his own bugeye WRX wagon.

I'll keep everyone posted. I hope SOA covers this as I'm having the 60K maintenance done at the same time.

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Old 01-27-2009, 11:32 PM   #2429
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another one bites the dust
02 wrx
build 11/01
tbe, opensource tune, intake silencer delete (noticed the smell before this though)

im going to give my buddy at subaru a call tomorrow, maybe he can give me some inside info on this...cool thing about this dealership, not sure if it is like this everywhere, but since i bought the car there (used) i was told i get a loaner car if i ever have to bring the car in for anything....and yeah, i hope soa pays for this, i just bought a clutch for the 06 tranny im putting in and i currently have $1.35 in my bank account...ftl
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:28 AM   #2430
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another one bites the dust
02 wrx
build 11/01
tbe, opensource tune, intake silencer delete (noticed the smell before this though)

im going to give my buddy at subaru a call tomorrow, maybe he can give me some inside info on this...cool thing about this dealership, not sure if it is like this everywhere, but since i bought the car there (used) i was told i get a loaner car if i ever have to bring the car in for anything....and yeah, i hope soa pays for this, i just bought a clutch for the 06 tranny im putting in and i currently have $1.35 in my bank account...ftl

Buy an uppipe you bum!!

LoL, my bugeye did this years ago when it was new. You should tackle it yourself and port the TGV's while you down there.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:22 AM   #2431
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anyone know of an aftermarket fuel rail that would fit the green brackets of death (GBODs)? if so i'll see if i can get them to install those as an alternative solution to a problem they seem fairly inept of resolving themselves.
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:01 PM   #2432
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I contacted SOA and they gave me a reference # to make an appt with a dealer to check it out. THe guy said they'd have financial assistant if the problem is really what it really is.. if not , then im obligated to pay the dealer $ just for checking out the car. What does "financial assistance" mean? They're gonna pay for it? they MIGHT? might pay half? I dared not to ask..

My question is - to not have the service manager jerk with me giving me a call saying 100 things are wrong thats why i smell gas in the vents.. what are the EXACT terminologes to use to ask him to check when i drop off the car? I dont know too much about cars btw. I've been reading random posts and it seems like some kind of hose that needs to be replace?? what hose? Or fuel line clamps arent as tight as they should be?

Also is there a way for me to check it out myself to see if theres something leaky or not? IF so where? the engine bay? exhaust area? Im asking just so i can say " oh yeah, i saw something leaking here that may be the cause.. etc" .. But i don tknow, saying it may or may not hurt me.

anything helps. pictures help too if u have any for what i should be looking at. thnx guys

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Old 01-28-2009, 04:57 PM   #2433
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hey folks,
I contacted SOA and they gave me a reference # to make an appt with a dealer to check it out. THe guy said they'd have financial assistant if the problem is really what it really is.. if not , then im obligated to pay the dealer $ just for checking out the car. What does "financial assistance" mean? They're gonna pay for it? they MIGHT? might pay half? I dared not to ask..

My question is - to not have the service manager jerk with me giving me a call saying 100 things are wrong thats why i smell gas in the vents.. what are the EXACT terminologes to use to ask him to check when i drop off the car? I dont know too much about cars btw. I've been reading random posts and it seems like some kind of hose that needs to be replace?? what hose? Or fuel line clamps arent as tight as they should be?

Also is there a way for me to check it out myself to see if theres something leaky or not? IF so where? the engine bay? exhaust area? Im asking just so i can say " oh yeah, i saw something leaking here that may be the cause.. etc" .. But i don tknow, saying it may or may not hurt me.

anything helps. pictures help too if u have any for what i should be looking at. thnx guys
A few posts back, there is a post that says:

"try around 2174,2222,2247,2276,2280"

If your problem is the same one that is the subject of this thread, it is described in a SOA tech service bulletin (TSB) that was issued in April of 2003 (IIRC)

The fuel leak is under the intake manifold on the passenger side of the engine. It can be seen easily using a small flashlight. The dealer should not charge you to simply confirm that it is leaking -- it just takes a minute to pop the hood and look.

SOA has paid 100% of the cost of this repair for many owners -- scan through this thread and you'll see. Many of those cars had over 100K miles on them. Unfortunately, SOA is still playing their game where they tell the customer to get the work done and then they'll decide how much of the cost they will reimburse. Many WRX owners have been able to get a commitment from SOA up front though (after a dealer confirms the problem is indeed the one described in the TSB).

Keep in mind that SOA has known about this potentially deadly problem since at least early 2003 and maybe sooner. It is a potential safety and health hazard, and is definitely an environmental hazard -- the same or worse than if any part of the emissions control system were to fail.

After the dealer confirms the problem, I would recommend that you contact SOA and politely but firmly insist that SOA agree to pay 100% of the repair cost up front. Some people have been stuck paying 50%, or even the entire bill.

For more info/advice do an advanced search of this thread for post by sajohnson.
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:39 PM   #2434
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Does anyone think that the ethanol in the gas could be causing this problem? Damage to the hose or something? I don't know, I'm just throwing this out there because I do know that gas w/ethanol is causing damage to small engines like mowers and weed-eaters.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:06 PM   #2435
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well, my mechanic fixed the leak with a new hose and new clamps. Now, the lines on the opposite side of the engine are leaking. its back at the shop, now getting ALL the fuel lines replaced with new clamps to avoid this problem in the future.
Good example of the need to replace virtually all the hoses you touch in there.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:31 PM   #2436
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Does anyone think that the ethanol in the gas could be causing this problem? Damage to the hose or something? I don't know, I'm just throwing this out there because I do know that gas w/ethanol is causing damage to small engines like mowers and weed-eaters.
There's a possibility that it is enhancing the problem, although the source of the problem seems to be physical abrasion to the rubber tube from the inside. It's definitely a known fact that ethanol is a strong solvent, and that the fuel systems of flex fuel vehicles are designed to take the extra chemical reactiveness of the ethanol. It's possible it's feeding the problem. It's also one of the reasons that AVGAS does not have ethanol in it.
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Old 01-29-2009, 03:46 PM   #2437
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At 95000 miles, I cant bear it anymore. 15-17MPGs (I get 25 when its warm...), parking in the garage causes my whole house to smell like Premium Unleaded.

I called SOA this morning and got a service request number for a review of goodwill service. Will also be looking at the overactive ABS at the same time.
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If SOA dosent fix my car, Ill be getting aftermarket fuel rails (and injectors..and turbo inlet pipe..and turbo)
My local dealer just called. SOA/SNE approved me for repaid out of good will. My car is going in tomorrow, they want it until late afternoon Saturday.
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Old 01-29-2009, 04:10 PM   #2438
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My local dealer just called. SOA/SNE approved me for repaid out of good will. My car is going in tomorrow, they want it until late afternoon Saturday.
Congratulations!

It seems like SOA is starting to do the right thing more often.

Was it very hard to get them to agree to pay 100%?
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Old 01-29-2009, 04:14 PM   #2439
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Congratulations!

It seems like SOA is starting to do the right thing more often.

Was it very hard to get them to agree to pay 100%?
Honestly, it was 1 phone call to SOA to report the problem, one phone call to tell them about the appointment, another to tell them I changed the appt, and one to tell them I just got back from the dealer.

At the dealer, I pointed at the pipe soaking wet in fuel, and that was that.

Never once did they bring up any other option.

When I left the dealer, my SOA rep called and said that her, the service manager, and the SNE rep were discussing it and would let me know within 48 hours. I got a call today asking when I could drop my car off.
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:52 PM   #2440
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Noticed the raw fuel smell when I started my car at Snowshoe, WV two weeks ago. It was around 10F outside with wind chills below 0F. 02 WRX Wagon. Anyone in Raleigh had this problem taken care of by a local dealership?
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:41 PM   #2441
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Hey all. I just got the TSB performed on my '02 wrx.

1/29/09
Farrish Subaru
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Cost $0

Dealership knew of the problem and covered it on their own. My invoice stated it was a Warranty Repair.
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:33 PM   #2442
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I drove my 02 wrx 4 miles today and I lost 1/2 a tank of gas just as I entered a home depot parking lot the car ran out of gas. It seems one of the lines got loose and all the fuel drip down onto the asphalt. Right now the car is in the shop and tomorrow they will let me know what is the problem.
The car was having the same problem as everyone else here. It only was doing it when it got really cold here in jersey. I never took the time to take it to the mechanic and now it got worst...so don't wait to much longer and get your car checked before is too late. thank God it didn't catch fire.
if anyone had the same problem please let me know. thanks
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:59 AM   #2443
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I drove my 02 wrx 4 miles today and I lost 1/2 a tank of gas just as I entered a home depot parking lot the car ran out of gas. It seems one of the lines got loose and all the fuel drip down onto the asphalt. Right now the car is in the shop and tomorrow they will let me know what is the problem.
The car was having the same problem as everyone else here. It only was doing it when it got really cold here in jersey. I never took the time to take it to the mechanic and now it got worst...so don't wait to much longer and get your car checked before is too late. thank God it didn't catch fire.
if anyone had the same problem please let me know. thanks

With a leak THAT severe, you're DAMN LUCKY your car didn't go up in flames.





Does anybody know off hand what the ID of the rubber fuel line that is leaking is?
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Old 01-30-2009, 12:32 PM   #2444
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OK...here is the final word on the huge leak that happened yesterday. Two years ago my mechanic changed all 4 injectors to DeatschWerks 650cc/minute Cobb Spec 07 STi Fuel Injectors. During installation it seems that one of them had a bad o-ring seal. All these years that seal leaked during winter until yesterday when it just snapped in half. These Injector from DeatschWerks are really good but they don't sell the o-rings by itself. You will have to get all four serviced and rebuilt for a good and decent price....the OEM o-rings are the dims, so just use those and don't waste time and money...good luck to all!

Thank God my car didn't go up in flames yesssssssssss!!!
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Old 01-31-2009, 07:10 PM   #2445
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I posted on page 95, here's an update...

The Saab service rep claimed ignorance of this fuel leaking issue, which I'll buy only because the 9-2x is the only "Subaru" in their lineup, and they only carried it for a relatively brief period of time and may not have had reports of this issue before. The Saab service rep then consulted with the service department of the local Subaru dealership for info/advice, and they obliged.

When I arrived at the Saab dealership, I quickly offered to show their mechanics the area around which I discovered the fuel leak, but the service rep told me that he had spoken with a Subaru service rep and knew exactly what needed to be done.

I should have known... upon inspection of their work after returning home, I found that they had only tightened the two easiest-to-reach fuel line clamps (the ones that didn't require removal of the intake manifold to reach, go figure); not that they didn't need to be snugged down a bit, but they were not in the vicinity of the fuel leak. As much as I would like for either of these two hose connections to have been the source, I'm almost certain that they weren't; in fact, these two connections were completely dry when I had discovered the fuel leak.

Unfortunately it wasn't nearly as cold the evening after the repair as it was when I discovered the fuel leak (or since then, for that matter), as I had planned on leaving the car outside overnight in the cold to either confirm or deny their chosen method of repair. My guess is that the problem still exists, it's just a matter of the outside temp getting low enough to know for sure. It's only January, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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I posted on page 95, here's an update...

The Saab service rep claimed ignorance of this fuel leaking issue, which I'll buy only because the 9-2x is the only "Subaru" in their lineup, and they only carried it for a relatively brief period of time and may not have had reports of this issue before. The Saab service rep then consulted with the service department of the local Subaru dealership for info/advice, and they obliged.

When I arrived at the Saab dealership, I quickly offered to show their mechanics the area around which I discovered the fuel leak, but the service rep told me that he had spoken with a Subaru service rep and knew exactly what needed to be done.

I should have known... upon inspection of their work after returning home, I found that they had only tightened the two easiest-to-reach fuel line clamps (the ones that didn't require removal of the intake manifold to reach, go figure); not that they didn't need to be snugged down a bit, but they were not in the vicinity of the fuel leak. As much as I would like for either of these two hose connections to have been the source, I'm almost certain that they weren't; in fact, these two connections were completely dry when I had discovered the fuel leak.

Unfortunately it wasn't nearly as cold the evening after the repair as it was when I discovered the fuel leak (or since then, for that matter), as I had planned on leaving the car outside overnight in the cold to either confirm or deny their chosen method of repair. My guess is that the problem still exists, it's just a matter of the outside temp getting low enough to know for sure. It's only January, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Unfortunately it's all but guaranteed that the leak will return.

I'm unaware of any case where simply tightening the clamps was a permanent fix. If it were, then I can't imagine SOA would be paying for the labor required to do the repair per the TSB.
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Old 01-31-2009, 07:43 PM   #2447
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I just got my car back. No more fuel smell. Its 23* today, and at these temps my car would be horrible before.

Job Description:

"Customer states there is a fuel smell and there is a leak of gas under the intake manifold. Remove the intake manifold and replace the fuel line and hose as per service bulletin goodwill as discussed the SAO and rep"

Qty PN Description
1 17544AA135 Pipe CP-Fuel
1 807707140 Hose
2 14035AA421 Gasket Intake Manif
1 805913050 Hose Clamp 13.5

Dealer had the car for 28 hours
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:18 PM   #2448
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I posted on page 95, here's an update...

The Saab service rep claimed ignorance of this fuel leaking issue, which I'll buy only because the 9-2x is the only "Subaru" in their lineup, and they only carried it for a relatively brief period of time and may not have had reports of this issue before. The Saab service rep then consulted with the service department of the local Subaru dealership for info/advice, and they obliged.

When I arrived at the Saab dealership, I quickly offered to show their mechanics the area around which I discovered the fuel leak, but the service rep told me that he had spoken with a Subaru service rep and knew exactly what needed to be done.

I should have known... upon inspection of their work after returning home, I found that they had only tightened the two easiest-to-reach fuel line clamps (the ones that didn't require removal of the intake manifold to reach, go figure); not that they didn't need to be snugged down a bit, but they were not in the vicinity of the fuel leak. As much as I would like for either of these two hose connections to have been the source, I'm almost certain that they weren't; in fact, these two connections were completely dry when I had discovered the fuel leak.

Unfortunately it wasn't nearly as cold the evening after the repair as it was when I discovered the fuel leak (or since then, for that matter), as I had planned on leaving the car outside overnight in the cold to either confirm or deny their chosen method of repair. My guess is that the problem still exists, it's just a matter of the outside temp getting low enough to know for sure. It's only January, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Be sure to ask them EXACTLY what work was performed. If the service writer is unaware, tell him to get the tech that did the work on your car.
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Old 02-01-2009, 03:54 PM   #2449
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As I also saw on TriStateTuners several 2002 WRX owners say it's some small factory fuel line that shrinks in cold weather and a simple fix of that line should solve the problem. I've owned my car for a year now and I never noticed any smells until a week or two into this current winter.
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Old 02-01-2009, 04:00 PM   #2450
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So if I read correctly most of you that have had this this problem had it fixed at a local Subaru dealership, I would assume that a 2002 wouldn't still be under warranty for any of you as we are in 2009 now did any of you get it fixed for free or about how much did the service cost, I just this winter noticed this smell on my 2002WRX so i'm a noob to this problem.
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