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Old 12-14-2017, 07:34 PM   #76
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Maybe not on point one, but typically speaking we send our military over to hurt people and break things. There are humanitarian issues that the U.S. military assist with because we're just that good, but I don't think that's the avenue that was being explored.

That's a pretty clear cut example, how does it come into play on current day ledgers at the major oil companies and how much has it been shown to impact current oil prices? Is that example relevant to the estimates that have been put out by the various think tanks and interest groups?

The stated reasons are regional stability, peace and humanitarian assistance if I recall correctly. Certainly our military can bring a very large amount of stability to an area if we so choose. If you're trying to lead me to providing that stability because of it's effect on global oil prices, I don't think I'd argue you're entirely wrong. There's a component of national security at play that I would say takes precedence over the market influences. What I'm not buying off on is blood for oil when we don't directly take it from the places we've invaded.

I can give that specific examples because the conversations have been declassified. I can not be that specific with current events because I don’t have access to those documents. What the public and mentioned think tanks do have access to is the published budgets and non-classified expenditures.

On the reasons given, there are location with far worse situations but since there are no American interest there we don’t have a presence.

Yes, there are times when we are there for purely humanitarian reasons but it’s not the main reasons we are in the Middle East. Want a quick fun activity? Look at troop placement during both gulf wars.

I have great appreciation for our arm forces and have a history of my own, but I have no delusions of why they are sometimes sent where they are sent. Despite Even knowing that themselves sometimes they performed their duties to preserve the US way of life and freedom. They should be respected for that.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:46 PM   #77
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I can give that specific examples because the conversations have been declassified. I can not be that specific with current events because I don’t have access to those documents. What the public and mentioned think tanks do have access to is the published budgets and non-classified expenditures.

On the reasons given, there are location with far worse situations but since there are no American interest there we don’t have a presence.

Yes, there are times when we are there for purely humanitarian reasons but it’s not the main reasons we are in the Middle East. Want a quick fun activity? Look at troop placement during both gulf wars.

I have great appreciation for our arm forces and have a history of my own, but I have no delusions of why they are sometimes sent where they are sent. Despite Even knowing that themselves sometimes they performed their duties to preserve the US way of life and freedom. They should be respected for that.
I agree with you that we send our troops to places that benefit us. I'm willing to bet some of our current troop placement would surprise a lot of America if we knew.

To the broader point about military intervention and it's potential subsidisation of oil production, it's clear that perhaps I should be more considerate of how that factors in.
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Old 12-15-2017, 11:30 AM   #78
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This thread, it's going places but not where I expected.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:24 PM   #79
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:28 PM   #80
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Default The Stunning Energy Cost Of Tesla’s Semi-Truck

W8 Wut?

Can we keep it on-topic here?
It’s so cliche for me to keep locking every Tesla thread.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:57 PM   #81
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So much better without moderators.
Certainly better without you.
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:48 AM   #82
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Back on topic, I have not heard back from my email proposal to use these trucks as luxury RVs.

I even gave them a simple layout, and other selling points to add value . I expect my royalty check any day now.
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:29 AM   #83
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:31 AM   #84
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Good for them, only 500,000+ plus more to go to stay afloat!
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:52 AM   #85
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Good for them, only 500,000+ plus more to go to stay afloat!
.... sure

If you are so sure you just short the stock.... you will be rich
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I don't short stocks, it's not my strategy and I don't like betting against a company as I wish to see all companies succeed. I'm just not naive enough to ignore current facing issues.

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Old 05-11-2018, 06:08 AM   #87
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Default Why Is The Tesla Semi So Popular With Food & Beverage Companies?

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/24...age-companies/

A number of companies around the world have placed pre-orders for the Tesla Semi, and a preponderance of those orders seem to be coming from purveyors of food and beverages. PepsiCo has ordered 100, Anheuser-Busch has ordered 40, restaurant supplier Sysco is taking 50, and Canadian grocery chain Loblaw’s wants 25. Why is this particular industry so interested in electric trucks? As a recent article in Popular Mechanics points out, there are several good reasons.

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Jon Samson, Executive Director of the Agricultural and Food Transporters Conference, notes that most food suppliers organize their deliveries on a hub-and-spoke model. “When you look at beverage companies and grocery chains, a lot of what they’re moving is going to be on a short-haul basis, like trucking product from a beverage distribution plant to regional distributors. From an electric standpoint that’s a fantastic setup. You don’t have to deal with diesel fuel, and you’d be able to have that dedicated infrastructure set up for charging stations along the way while you go back and forth.”

“Food and beverage companies … often have a hub model where their inbound product will come into the distribution center through one fleet, and then their delivery fleet will deliver it to regional stores, like a grocery store,” says Dakota Semler, founder and CEO of Thor Trucks, which hopes to be a competitor of Tesla. “A lot of these delivery fleets support businesses in residential neighborhoods, which creates conflict for residents who don’t want loud, dirty diesel trucks driving through their neighborhood. With electric, you can have a fleet that operates without anyone ever hearing them. They create less road noise than a conventional gas passenger car. That’s really impactful for the quality of life.”



Above: Spy video recently surfaced showcasing the impressive acceleration of the Tesla Semi truck (YouTube: Richard Fielder)

Another, related reason to go electric has to do with idling, one of the obnoxious realities of modern urban life. “With diesel trucks, there are all sorts of restrictions on idling rules, and those engines actually have to be on to power supporting systems like lift gates and refrigeration,” says Dakota Semler. “Electric vehicles are great because you don’t have to have an engine idling for an hour or two hours while you unload the vehicle. You can draw directly from the battery pack of the vehicle.”

For James Sembrot, Senior Director of Strategy and Logistics at Anheuser-Busch, Tesla’s attention to driver comfort is a big selling point. “One of the biggest areas of a headache for trucking companies is retaining drivers, and these trucks have a very innovative design. It is a more comfortable experience for the driver: They’re surrounded by windows and there are other features that we think can help make a very tough job a better job. So we view that as a potential source of return, less turnover in the drivers that drive our products to market.”

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Anheuser-Busch presents a good case study in the advantages of going electric. The company has a fleet of 750 trucks hauling suds from its breweries to wholesalers. Every year, trucks transporting Anheuser-Busch products travel enough miles to circle the Earth 18,000 times, sucking up about $120 million worth of fuel. According to Tesla’s estimates, the 40 Semis Anheuser-Busch has ordered should save it about $8 million a year in fuel costs. The beer behemoth is exploring other possibilities as well — it is working with Nikola Motor Company, developer of a hydrogen fuel cell truck.
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:11 AM   #88
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Tesla’s new electric semi truck is making its debut delivery
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/t...ebut-delivery/


The Tesla Semi Is Dead
May.10.18 | About
https://seekingalpha.com/article/417...esla-semi-dead
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Tesla’s new electric semi truck is making its debut delivery
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/t...ebut-delivery/


The Tesla Semi Is Dead
May.10.18 | About
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I like how those articles are polar opposites
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It sure sounds like the "Tesla Semi is dead" article took one comment out of context.
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https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/t...ebut-delivery/


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I like how those articles are polar opposites
Just going through the article history on each site, and both have been that way since day one. No balance on either site.
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Just going through the article history on each site, and both have been that way since day one. No balance on either site.
I made a (super long winded) post in the "Tesla Catch All" thread; these articles are reasons I attempt to avoid public media (aka. the news), and especially social media (aka agenda worn on your sleeve).

There is no "unbiased" information anymore; so either you A. consume it all and try to sift through it yourself, B. ignore it all and let the chips fall where the may, or C. pick a side and stick with it and enjoy that kool-aid - I try to option B it as much as possible, but end up getting into option A; I try to avoid the kool-aid as much as I can; doc says I need to cut back on sugar anyways.
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I try to avoid the kool-aid as much as I can; doc says I need to cut back on sugar anyways.
Being fit/cut/ripped/in shape feels better than any food tastes anyhow. Awesome to look at fatasses your own age, and have them look at you in bewilderment with their Walmart gut.
Then there is having 20myears on someone and you are in better shape
Get after it dude!
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