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Old 12-13-2017, 11:12 AM   #26
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If anything Ford knows trucks. If they really wanted to be the fast follower - They would have lightened the trucks after the first year, not 5 years later
To do that they would have had to commit to it years beforehand in order to get it to market, defeating the purpose of waiting to see customer reactions.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:14 PM   #27
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GM is also lagging behind in engine advancement or making improvements. You're essentially give 3 options.

1: 4.3 V6 (non turbo)
2: 5.3lt V8
3. 6.0lt v8

While Chevy trucks might be near equal in price to a Ford f510, the GMC brand carries a premium and usually significantly more expensive with the same or less features. Granted the GMC interior is better than the F150 but the cost difference is typically not worth it. Also when comparing the F150 2.7lt and 3.5lt v. the 5.3 V8 and 6.0 V8, the turbo F150 is definitely more responsive to throttle input and even though they are close in rated MPG, I do believe the Ford has proven better mpg in real world conditions not to mention you can tune both engines and get a **** load of power out of them reliably.

GM also needs to redesign the front end of Chevy trucks as they have gone virtually unchanged for a long time and look dated while GMC continues to get a refresh. I was a long time GMC / Chevy truck fan but obviously switched to Ford.


I'm not sure how much improvement there will be to go within a carbon fiber composite material in terms of increasing MPG rating v. additional cost to manufacture and passed onto the consumer. Maybe i'm crazy and I don't know what the additional cost increase would be but I would think hybrid would be a better solution.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:37 PM   #28
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GM's pushrod engines do really well with real world fuel economy, while Ford's turbo engines are more of a mixed bag. They're just much more sensitive to driving style than the n/a big displacement engines with cylinder deactivation.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:42 PM   #29
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To do that they would have had to commit to it years beforehand in order to get it to market, defeating the purpose of waiting to see customer reactions.
Maybe, but a few places have established POC lines that test feasibility and SOP at a much quicker and lower cost than a full line change. With the Auotmated lines, the changes are much quicker. They could have run a full POC and known the manufacturing impacts so they would be ready to pull the trigger once given the green light.

Its a procedure change that would reflect what Nissan and Ford do, and I don't think GM is willing to do that. They have always been risk adverse from what I have seen.
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