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03-22-2012, 07:53 PM | #51 | |
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03-22-2012, 08:33 PM | #52 | |
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You're taking it literally anyway; the comparison was that you can't buy much of anything other than a pile of crap for less than $20k now. Cars are expensive in general. <$30k for one of these things is a steal IMHO. |
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03-22-2012, 09:44 PM | #53 | |
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03-22-2012, 10:51 PM | #54 |
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03-22-2012, 11:30 PM | #55 |
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03-22-2012, 11:36 PM | #56 |
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All of Subaru's cars share essentially the same underpinnings. It's disingenuous to say it's based on the Impreza.
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03-23-2012, 12:01 AM | #57 | |
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The original mule was a chopped up GE Impreza. It has the Impreza's rear suspension and the front suspension is basically just the Impreza's LCA setup turned 180deg. It's not disingenuous at all to point out that it's based off of the Impreza in basic construction. I'm not saying it's a hacked up Impreza.. because there are obvious changes to the floorpan, wheelbase, etc.. but it's quiet obvious this car is a derivative of the Impreza platform. |
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03-23-2012, 12:11 AM | #58 |
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My point is that every current Subaru model is a hacked up version of the same platform, all the way from the Impreza to the Tribeca. So it's not really worth trying to relate one model to another and call it a derivative.
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03-23-2012, 01:53 AM | #59 |
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I'm pretty sure I am going to trade my GTI in on this when it goes on sale and I'll tell you why.
1) I can only own one car, I live in an urban area. 2) I need to drive 250-400 miles a week for work 3) I Auto-X 20+ times a year and my brother co-drives. 4) I HATE ROADSTERS!!! REAL CARS HAVE ROOFS! (And I need at last a medium amount of trunk). 5) I value modern safety features! I love driving but I'm not willing to die for it!! Can you think of a better car for me for under $25K? |
03-23-2012, 02:20 AM | #60 | |
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Is it a better handler? No.. not under certain conditions. Will it be as raw an experience as the FR-S? No, definitely not.. but then how raw do you want it to be doing 400 miles a week? Is it a more practical car? Absolutely. The FR-S/BRZ has a tiny trunk with a small opening and the rear seats are nearly useless. The MCS can actually seat 4 adults. .. but that begs the question.. why get rid of the GTI for an MCS.. you obviously want something different. |
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03-23-2012, 02:49 AM | #61 | |
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I cross shopped my 2.5RS with a Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Xterra because my needs were 4 seats, with AWD/4x4 for getting to ski mountains. |
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03-23-2012, 12:08 PM | #62 | |
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Plus I only get 25MPG (70% highway) and I bet the FR-S does better than that. I'm 26, single, and have no kids. I don't need a back seat (the back seat in my GTI is folded flat 95% of the time). |
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03-23-2012, 01:29 PM | #63 |
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03-23-2012, 01:33 PM | #64 |
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Oh yeah, I'm only 5'8" 155lbs.
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03-23-2012, 01:35 PM | #65 |
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03-23-2012, 04:33 PM | #67 |
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$24k is not too bad.
I suppose you can have it for $23k out the door if you haggle right. |
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03-23-2012, 04:59 PM | #69 | |
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03-23-2012, 05:23 PM | #70 | |
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I guess that makes sense. In backwards world. If I had to guess, price and HP were your *actual* loves, and you found the perfect car. |
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03-23-2012, 06:02 PM | #71 |
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There's nothing wrong with the interior in the 2012 Mustang GT.. I seriously doubt the BRZ's interior is any better from a materials standpoint.
As for the weight.. well, to some people extra weight isn't a detriment. There's no denying that the new Mustang is a potent package at a killer price. The equipment offered in the FR-S & BRZ are just disappointing when all someone really wants is a good looking coupe. |
03-23-2012, 06:12 PM | #72 | |
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Saying that you really loved the BRZ because of the weight then saying you settled for something that weighs 500+ lbs more and costs more is disingenuous. Edit: Then again, this is the Internet, and I shouldn't take it so seriously or literally. THREAD MAY CONTINUE. |
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03-23-2012, 06:16 PM | #73 |
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Extra weight isn't a detriment?
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03-23-2012, 07:09 PM | #74 |
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Honestly I don't think 2,800lbs wet is all the bad for car with a bunch of air-bags and modern safety equipment. This isn't a S2000 or a Miata without a roof and 4 less airbags. Plus that still makes it about 500 lbs lighter than a Mustang V6 right?\
Also NONE of us have driven it, and just about everyone who has, has had great things to say about it (other than maybe a few gripes about power). I know the new Gen Coupe and Mustang may seem like better values, but are they a better driving experience??? Time will tell. |
03-23-2012, 08:21 PM | #75 |
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i dont thing there will be any haggling for a while after they hit the dealers. i think there may even be a markup unless subaru wont allow it. seriously though, the engine is gonna need some more power to be taken seriously.
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