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Old 06-05-2017, 12:46 PM   #76
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Well you can't say for sure because its not June 8th yet. Signs point to it more likely coming, but its not 100% sure. This "story" is getting traction because SOA is mentioning a variant as "production", which hasn't happened before -- simple as that. What's wrong with a little speculation? It is an N&R thread after all.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:49 PM   #77
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nothing is wrong at all...and if I am completely off my meds and incorrect the penalty is we get a cool car. So from my perspective, I have little to lose..

I have been burned too many times...
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:53 PM   #78
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I think we all have burned many times so I get your perspective too.

All this news is just being taken 2 ways: 1, Yeah right its a real performance variant coming this side of the pacific, or 2, omg a real performance variant is coming this side of the pacific!

Either way, its clear there's pent-up demand for something like this and Subaru should just give in!

... is it thursday yet? So we can either continue this thread or close it!
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:03 PM   #79
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agree, and nowhere did they say we are getting a higher performance STI in the US. Telling us about the Type RA is not the same as saying we are getting here on our side of the pond.

What has changed that would make me believe this is coming to the US?

Look anything is possible, but based on the past 15 years, I have no reason to think we would get anything like a Type RA we have seen in the past. If I recall those were all EJ207 powered vehicles with expensive light weight components and aggressive suspensions.

Sure they will tell us about the production type RA, but odds are it is not coming to the US in anything but a sticker package. No way we get a 2.0 liter the rest of the world gets.
the rest of the world gets a 2 ltr?

Because of America the rest of the world has got this ****ty 2.5 ltr back in 2005
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I just consider why the source. Why would this be coming from SOA? The S207 press release was from Subaru Global and it stated from the start that it would be for Japan only. Also the fact that we're being teased. I don't think they would tease us that deliberately. If we don't get this and the BRZ STI there's going to be a lot of backlash at SOA.
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I just consider why the source. Why would this be coming from SOA? The S207 press release was from Subaru Global and it stated from the start that it would be for Japan only. Also the fact that we're being teased. I don't think they would tease us that deliberately. If we don't get this and the BRZ STI there's going to be a lot of backlash at SOA.
Subaru of America tried this


and Im still pretty sure that this so-called RA has nothing to do with the original RAs from Japan, it will be a hooker with some makeup.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:37 PM   #82
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Subaru of America tried this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4HmoOAqtm8

and Im still pretty sure that this so-called RA has nothing to do with the original RAs from Japan, it will be a hooker with some makeup.
Did the older Type RA have a carbon fiber roof? Not exactly hooker makeup. What other production cars have that? The older RAs? The older RAs they took out the AC and radio didn't they? What if Subaru has actually been smart with the weight savings and let you keep some creature comforts too?

I actually *hope* its a higher end STI with substantially more power and better interior. If its a track day trailer queen I'll be somewhat disappointed but know a lot of people will be happy for that.
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yeah, and out of the few people you know who will 'like' that hard core track car, exactly none will buy it. Subaru cannot charge more for less like Porsche.

Or to put it better, subaru cannot get away with charging more for less like Porsche. Porsche can pull it off because they have direct ties to motorsports. Subaru, not so much anymore. At least not in the United States.
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I believe that the heritage blue might be from another car like a soa 50th anniversary edition not the type ra
Maybe......But, my bet is not. I doubt they will introduce 2 special cars of the same line.

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.... But nowhere did Subaru say it was coming to the states. The Levorg is a production car. It is not coming to the states.
I think if it was actually coming, they would say to be sold in the states.
So, you didn't address my question in that post. Since when has Subaru talked about a car from another market? Yep. Levorg is production and not coming to the states. Don't recall SOA EVER talking about it. So much so, they "lied" and said they were only able to make one car and that was a sedan.

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agree, and nowhere did they say we are getting a higher performance STI in the US. Telling us about the Type RA is not the same as saying we are getting here on our side of the pond.

What has changed that would make me believe this is coming to the US?

Look anything is possible, but based on the past 15 years, I have no reason to think we would get anything like a Type RA we have seen in the past. If I recall those were all EJ207 powered vehicles with expensive light weight components and aggressive suspensions.

Sure they will tell us about the production type RA, but odds are it is not coming to the US in anything but a sticker package. No way we get a 2.0 liter the rest of the world gets.

I never said it was going to be all that. I believe I was just responding to you saying we will never get an RA. As we might not get all that sweetness, I do believe we will get a RA. And it's not "confirmation" but that "Motor Authority" or whatever claims a confirmation from Subaru on "suspension and engine" enhancements. If true, my 2 questions are how much power and how much money.
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WE may get a wing. AND some stickers and nice pretty colored thread on the seats.
I want to believe but I have not had much reason to. The company that keeps the same tired engine in a car for 14 years, and shoves CVT's in everything else is making a hardcore performance car?

We will not get an RA like the rest of the world got the RA in it's true form. IF we get one, we will get RA-lite, which will annoy people to no end.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:06 PM   #86
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yeah, and out of the few people you know who will 'like' that hard core track car, exactly none will buy it. Subaru cannot charge more for less like Porsche.

Or to put it better, subaru cannot get away with charging more for less like Porsche. Porsche can pull it off because they have direct ties to motorsports. Subaru, not so much anymore. At least not in the United States.
I guess it depends on how much more is charged for how much less. They charge more for the Touring Outback while taking off the very expensive integrated roof rails. I don't think what you do get in the Touring equals the cost of taking those off(and now you have to spend MORE money to get them back) and the Tourings are wildly popular.
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WE may get a wing. AND some stickers and nice pretty colored thread on the seats.
I want to believe but I have not had much reason to. The company that keeps the same tired engine in a car for 14 years, and shoves CVT's in everything else is making a hardcore performance car?

We will not get an RA like the rest of the world got the RA in it's true form. IF we get one, we will get RA-lite, which will annoy people to no end.

Yeah. I won't really argue this either......but......
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:18 PM   #88
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I guess it depends on how much more is charged for how much less. They charge more for the Touring Outback while taking off the very expensive integrated roof rails. I don't think what you do get in the Touring equals the cost of taking those off(and now you have to spend MORE money to get them back) and the Tourings are wildly popular.
That is because the expensive integrated roof rails look like warts an a pigs ass. Worst implementation of roof rails in history. Give give me low profile bars to mount cross bars on. I would pay to NOT have those ugly things as well.
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I have no doubt the packaging between the US and Japan car will be different. They need to put fatter seats in and take out the rear wiper, folding mirrors, and anything else that isn't required here to save money.
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That is because the expensive integrated roof rails look like warts an a pigs ass. Worst implementation of roof rails in history. Give give me low profile bars to mount cross bars on. I would pay to NOT have those ugly things as well.




Well. It's probably a 50/50 with our customers. I like the looks(better than without) and the idea; but, wish it could do "more". It would be nicer if they could stow away; but, when they are crossed, they'd still be able to slide when needed.
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When the USDM Special Edition STI was out, it was significantly lower priced and all of those sold. If this RA is anything like that, it'll sell. De-content the amenities. Up the performance. Call it a day.
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I just consider why the source. Why would this be coming from SOA? The S207 press release was from Subaru Global and it stated from the start that it would be for Japan only. Also the fact that we're being teased. I don't think they would tease us that deliberately. If we don't get this and the BRZ STI there's going to be a lot of backlash at SOA.
This feels like a progression of the SOA-sponsored Isle of Man TT Time Attack. It would help explain what was (is?) an otherwise odd sponsorship.
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Backlash at SOA? Did you think people would be driving a more powerful, AWD hatch made by the blue oval guys just a few years ago? Well, people are buying them. I highly doubt SOA is gonna get something badass to sell here with a 2.0 liter STi. I'll watch you turn purple from holding your breath and pass out first! SOA, pull your heads out if your arses and send us the cool ****.
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Backlash at SOA? Did you think people would be driving a more powerful, AWD hatch made by the blue oval guys just a few years ago? Well, people are buying them. I highly doubt SOA is gonna get something badass to sell here with a 2.0 liter STi. I'll watch you turn purple from holding your breath and pass out first! SOA, pull your heads out if your arses and send us the cool ****.
I never said anything about us getting a 2 liter. I think it will probably be the 2.5 with some tweaks, possibly DI.
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Backlash at SOA? Did you think people would be driving a more powerful, AWD hatch made by the blue oval guys just a few years ago? Well, people are buying them. I highly doubt SOA is gonna get something badass to sell here with a 2.0 liter STi. I'll watch you turn purple from holding your breath and pass out first! SOA, pull your heads out if your arses and send us the cool ****.
Just for argument's sake, why does it have to be 2.0 or get out? I get it, the 2.5 is hardly the coveted engine, but who's to say it can't be a better 2.5? Type RA for Japan doesn't have to be the Type RA for North America just like the STI for Japan is not the STI for North America... even though I would love some JDM Type RA -- or even just a JDM STI

The blue oval is also bleeding cash, cutting jobs, and just ousted their CEO. If that's the cost of trying to be all things to all people and offer these small-run (but yes, awesome) special cars, I hope Subaru never brings these special editions over! If that happened to Subaru, their relatively small size would've put them out of business. Ford's just lucky they're large enough to absorb that hit for now.

There won't be a backlash other than some harsh internet talk filled with "I told you so" posts and Subaru haters. I think Subaru fans are used to disappointment

Personally, I'm not 100% convinced it'll be much either, but there is also some kind of hope until June 8th proves otherwise. I'm setting the bar low, but hope a bit higher
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By backlash I meant people crying all over Subaru's twitter feed or whatever social media they use.
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By backlash I meant people crying all over Subaru's twitter feed or whatever social media they use.
That's fair and I'm sure there will be, but I'm not sure if the consequences of it will be significant considering the majority of the current WRX/STI people don't know what they've been missing in the past. A lot of the ones that do know have moved on from Subaru, or this market already. Just looking at the join dates of most people talking in this thread makes it seem like only us older Subaru owners are the ones who care about what this all means... or doesn't mean...
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I wouldn't be surprised if a production US ra came with the 2.4DIT. Get that engine into production prior to flagship SUV. We'll see in 2 days.

No reason the 2.4 can't be a global engine either.
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The blue oval is also bleeding cash, cutting jobs, and just ousted their CEO. If that's the cost of trying to be all things to all people and offer these small-run (but yes, awesome) special cars, I hope Subaru never brings these special editions over! If that happened to Subaru, their relatively small size would've put them out of business. Ford's just lucky they're large enough to absorb that hit for now.
Ford ousted CEO Mark Fields because their shares are down 37% since his takeover in 2014...and 10% this year alone. Anyone in business would say that is a fail, regardless of the products you have. For a car maker to stay in business, the insides of the car need to be techy and gadgetry with cues of suppleness. The amount of technology going into the current car drives cost way up. So there is a balance of "new" technology and standardized price points to stay competitive. The rare cars add to the capability of what that manufacture can accomplish and build a following, nothing more. Take Porsche for example. Without the Cayenne, they would not be in business today.

With respect to the STi Type RA...I'm like everyone else and would love at least a 350hp model with a forged bottom end. Unlikely to happen though. Hell, I would even take a small bump in power, say like 320-330, but with a redline of 8-9K since it is more of a "racing heritage" edition. It could easily be done with a destroked EJ and a twin scroll.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a production US ra came with the 2.4DIT. Get that engine into production prior to flagship SUV. We'll see in 2 days.

No reason the 2.4 can't be a global engine either.
While this would just be awesome. I imagine the RA being a parts bin grab at liquidating all of the old EJ parts however they can in preparation for the new platform.

This doesn't mean the old EJ won't have some magic thrown at it (doubt it, but possible) for the last hurrah though. We'll see in a few days.
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