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Old 12-12-2010, 05:19 PM   #1201
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yea, i think im gunna go through them, at this price i could but one at the beginning of the year
We have the "bastardized" version of that turbo at the shop. 56mm comp and 61 turbine but rather than a 3 inch inlet it's a 4 inch inlet.

That specific turbo on the link is a great price, but no reason why we couldn't match it. Depending on turbine A/R that is.

Email me whenever you're ready to pull the trigger or if you have any questions.

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Old 12-13-2010, 10:14 AM   #1202
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I'm anxiously awaiting some big turbo numbers as I'm looking into my water/air-standing mile setup.

Have freebies on HE551VE's all day but realistically packaging wouldn't be the easiest. Though playing with the canbus VGT is fun and I have full documents from Holset for it.
With this being said, the 9180 is the only comparable turbo offered. Do you know of anyone planning to run it shortly? I can see the dyno from the Sierra Sierra Evo. Any others though? Also, what is the weight of the turbo and also do you have any manifold pressure ratio from the twinscroll vs. single scroll setup?

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Old 12-13-2010, 11:52 AM   #1203
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With this being said, the 9180 is the only comparable turbo offered. Do you know of anyone planning to run it shortly? I can see the dyno from the Sierra Sierra Evo. Any others though? Also, what is the weight of the turbo and also do you have any manifold pressure ratio from the twinscroll vs. single scroll setup?

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I have been thinking about the 9180 for my new motor setup but it's a very expensive option if it doesn't work out.

Would love to see some big boost numbers (35-40 psi) on a built 2.5 before i buy my next turbo but I don't see that happening.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:03 PM   #1204
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Yeah, well I have my questions about a new product as well and for an average Joe, $2,300 in a turbo isn't exactly chump change. Especially when I can get the same sized holset (flow rate, billet wheel, inconel turbine wheel, VGT, etc) for free. Perks of the job I guess.

I guess it really is the competition to the 42R...? Same mass flow rates (more or less).

It's downside is sheer size/mass.

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Old 12-14-2010, 03:28 AM   #1205
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It's downside is sheer size/mass.
I would think the EFR series (91-80 sounds like EFR and 91-79 sounds like the regular BW) should all be noticebly lighter because of their stainless (thinner walls) exhaust housings.
Or had you forgotten about that nice feature?
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Old 12-14-2010, 04:12 AM   #1206
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Not sure if anyone's posted this. It has more detailed info of features.
Good article by Eric Hsu of MotoIQ.com:

BorgWarner EFR Turbo Feature Set

Notice how the compressor recirculation valve (CRV) is not composite but looks to be aluminum.


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On the bottom you have the most common ball bearing cage on the market today (brand G). On top in the EFR B2 bearing cage. Notice the dual piston ring grooves on both the turbine shaft and dynamic seal. Now there's a good chance your turbo won't get polluted blow by gasses even if your engine builder sucks.


All three sizes of compressor housings:



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Another great feature of the Series EFR turbos are the super robust compressor wheels. They are milled from 6000 series aluminum forgings for the ultimate in strength and durability. How good is the machining quality on these wheels? Pretty damn good.


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The EFR compressor maps all have one thing in common: they are ultra wide, high pressure ratios, and have very wide efficiency islands which are all really good things.

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Old 12-14-2010, 08:33 AM   #1207
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I would think the EFR series (91-80 sounds like EFR and 91-79 sounds like the regular BW) should all be noticebly lighter because of their stainless (thinner walls) exhaust housings.
Or had you forgotten about that nice feature?
I was saying the mass of the HE551VE...she's a chunky girl, hence my questioning the mass of this. You know we engineers make matrices on a points scale for options on builds
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:05 PM   #1208
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Micah, everyone needs to go hogging now and then.
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:30 PM   #1209
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not what I meant but...to each their own

seriously, picking up the he551ve at work, that think feels like it's about 70 lbs. Need to go grab one and slap it on a scale.

Any idea when Borg will have their sizing calculator out for this? I'm just curious to see theirs
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:56 PM   #1210
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not what I meant but...to each their own

seriously, picking up the he551ve at work, that think feels like it's about 70 lbs. Need to go grab one and slap it on a scale.

Any idea when Borg will have their sizing calculator out for this? I'm just curious to see theirs
what do you mean by sizing? if you are looking for physical dimensions the 9180 starts at page 28.

http://www.turbodriven.com/files/pdf...alog_SMALL.pdf
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:21 PM   #1211
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sizing, as in flow sizing in relation to the engine. Yes, it is easy enough to get rough numbers...

In Eric Hsu's blog...on of them on the EFRs he wrote

'Check back on BorgWarner's EFR site in the near future for an extremely in depth turbo sizing app. You forum nerds are going to have plenty to argue about when that's released.'

I'm just curious to see how it compares to the ones at work and it's another toy to play around with. But in this case, I won't have to write the map out for islands...Borg will have already done all that work


I do wonder how the brittle titanium-aluminide turbine wheels will handle the percussion and shock waves from antilag and two steps...I really don't want to have to squeeze a bottle to launch on a big turbo.

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Old 12-14-2010, 03:02 PM   #1212
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sizing, as in flow sizing in relation to the engine. Yes, it is easy enough to get rough numbers...

In Eric Hsu's blog...on of them on the EFRs he wrote

'Check back on BorgWarner's EFR site in the near future for an extremely in depth turbo sizing app. You forum nerds are going to have plenty to argue about when that's released.'

I'm just curious to see how it compares to the ones at work and it's another toy to play around with. But in this case, I won't have to write the map out for islands...Borg will have already done all that work


I do wonder how the brittle titanium-aluminide turbine wheels will handle the percussion and shock waves from antilag and two steps...I really don't want to have to squeeze a bottle to launch on a big turbo.
this?

http://www.turbodriven.com/en/perfor.../matchbot.aspx

btw, i emailed raffi@full-race and they dont have weight yet. "rough shipping weight" is in the 30# range. he is going to email me the actual weights when they get them.
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Old 12-14-2010, 03:19 PM   #1213
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Sweet on the weight (though ballparked) and sweet on the link...I guess I missed it when browsing the site last week.
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As an engineer this is by far the biggest selling point of these turbos i have seen yet.

Truly "engineered for racing"......and for anyone running timeattack or any racing circuit this picture should make your eyes pop and make your checkbook open up....the pricepoint of these shouldnt even be a consideration if high temp/high stress racing situations are the purpose of your car.
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As an engineer this is by far the biggest selling point of these turbos i have seen yet.

Truly "engineered for racing"......and for anyone running timeattack or any racing circuit this picture should make your eyes pop and make your checkbook open up....the pricepoint of these shouldnt even be a consideration if high temp/high stress racing situations are the purpose of your car.
pricepoint is actually cheaper than the competition for most models. a gtx3582r is $1,795 without a turbine housing. add $350-$400 for one and its well over the cost of an 83-74d.
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iirc that bpv is a special cosworth piece made for the efr. stock efr valves are composite
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:00 PM   #1217
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iirc that bpv is a special cosworth piece made for the efr. stock efr valves are composite
i wonder how long it will take before someone starts making a nice billet one to sell like that. i'd probably buy one.
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:09 PM   #1218
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I am sure it could be machined out pretty easily. Could probably just copy the one that comes on them.

methaddict, what are those bearings comparing? The new ones vs some other turbo or something?
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I am sure it could be machined out pretty easily. Could probably just copy the one that comes on them.

methaddict, what are those bearings comparing? The new ones vs some other turbo or something?
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im guessing the bearing cartridge on the 8374/9180 vs. a gt35r.
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methaddict, what are those bearings comparing? The new ones vs some other turbo or something?
there is a whole 5 page article in the link meth posted up.....

BorgWarner EFR Turbo Feature Set

"As an example, a BW EFR8391 is 16mm longer than a GT40R. This probably isn't going to be a problem with a longitudinal engine configuration, but in a transverse application with A/C or power steering, this is going to make things a bit tight."

"You didn't know that Brockstar was a hand model too, huh? On the bottom you have the most common ball bearing cage on the market today (brand G). On top in the EFR B2 bearing cage. Notice the dual piston ring grooves on both the turbine shaft and dynamic seal. Now there's a good chance your turbo won't get polluted blow by gasses even if your engine builder sucks."


Most of us are making the assumption that the GT40 is referenced above the bearing picture......and the "comparison bearing" is referred to as "brand G" that its a garrett gt35/40 bearing....
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Oops missed that link.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:08 PM   #1223
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I am sure it could be machined out pretty easily. Could probably just copy the one that comes on them.

methaddict, what are those bearings comparing? The new ones vs some other turbo or something?
If all goes as planned we should be offering billet covers and caps in the near future, along with another option currently in testing..
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:49 PM   #1224
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Royal failure on posting pics raffi.. Haha..
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:53 PM   #1225
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why did BW put the bpv provision on the compressor housing? is this for some production model, or for some other use on a diesel app?
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