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Old 01-07-2009, 06:02 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U Blu Ray is a transition medium.

Blueray will be done in less than 3 years, why fork out so much for one of them?

the future is streaming netflix/Blockbuster/hulu/whatever in HD across network connections. everyone keeps saying how awesome the PS3 is with blueray, but really who gives a crap? in 3 years it will be obsolete and the people using their Xbox to stream HD netflix would be 3 years up on them.

Vizio is enabling their new HDtvs to stream netflix if they are connected to the internet as well, it's the future, for 9 bucks a month you can watch and rewatch any show you wish without actually having a physical DVD in your place.



It's the new hotness at CES, BT touchscreen remotes and HTPCs are the future....why even bother spenidng 500 bucks on a transition medium??


wait, you probably bought a laser disc as well
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:03 PM   #2
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Name a better and more convenient movie-watching experience than an HDTV, blu-ray on PS3, and Netflix.

You can't.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:04 PM   #3
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:05 PM   #4
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
yep, hell isp's are crying over bandwidth from torrents, throw in the amount of pipe needed to stream real HD content
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:06 PM   #5
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
Exactly.
Especially with more and more ISPs implementing caps.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:08 PM   #6
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Exactly.
Especially with more and more ISPs implementing caps.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:11 PM   #7
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So wait, $250 for 3 years isn't worth it? I'm supposed to just use this ****ty DVD player for the next 3 years because something better *might* be out soon?

And not every single person will have an HD stream-o-matic gizmo. What's gonna happen when you want to go to a friends to watch your favorite movie, but all he has is the crappy blu-ray player and he doesn't have that awesome movie?

I bought a PS3 for teh games anyway, blu-ray was just a bonus
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:09 PM   #8
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Exactly.
Especially with more and more ISPs implementing caps.
You are right, the entire medium making devices FOR the cable compabies are doing this, I am sure the cable company will just be like
"Sorry TV people, we are comcast,k we tell YOU what to do"
and all the TV companies will be all
"ok, we r ur bitch, we give in"

riiiiiiight

Bandwith caps won't last, only idiot companies are trying it out right now.

the people will revolt.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:12 PM   #9
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there will be backlash from the technology and money making part of the world for them to keep that, tiered system maybe for a higher cost unlimited bandwith at X speed, but caps won't last.

the people will revolt.
I don't see this happening.
They have us by the nuts. A whole 'lotta people can't go without service.
Comcast: Currently 250Gb and heavy throttling for services such as BitTorrent
AT&T: Soon will be implementing a smaller cap
That's the two biggest ISPs in the country right there.
Not to mention, many people like physical media. As of right now there would be a lengthy buffering period to be able to stream full Blu-Ray quality 1080p plus surround.
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:05 PM   #10
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You are right, the entire medium making devices FOR the cable compabies are doing this, I am sure the cable company will just be like
"Sorry TV people, we are comcast,k we tell YOU what to do"
and all the TV companies will be all
"ok, we r ur bitch, we give in"

riiiiiiight

Bandwith caps won't last, only idiot companies are trying it out right now.

the people will revolt.

You're delusional. There isnt enough backbone capacity available for even 25% of people to do this. Networks are shared. My 10+ years in telecom tells me there's no ****ing way there will be build-outs in the next 3 years to support the kind of bandwidth required for what you're talking about. You're also completely forgetting about the ridiculously high percentage of people that cant even get a high speed(by current standards) internet connection right now.

Puff, puff, pass.
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:07 PM   #11
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
You should see what is coming out at CES2009...it's all about doing exactly this, and projected to be done 2h2009
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:13 PM   #12
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You should see what is coming out at CES2009...it's all about doing exactly this, and projected to be done 2h2009
You saw it at ces so it must be real!
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:02 AM   #13
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You should see what is coming out at CES2009...it's all about doing exactly this, and projected to be done 2h2009
In a year or so a blu-ray player will probably be no more than $200. Not a bad fee to pay once to get full 1080p. Price will be a factor here..
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:03 PM   #14
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
Not really. If you use a compressed format such as H264, a 1080p, 2hr movie may be around 8GB with almost no obvious quality loss (read: still looks/sounds way better than DVD) and that would yield a bitrate of around 10mbps, about half of a typical verizon fios subscriber's bandwidth.
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:38 PM   #15
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Not really. If you use a compressed format such as H264, a 1080p, 2hr movie may be around 8GB with almost no obvious quality loss (read: still looks/sounds way better than DVD) and that would yield a bitrate of around 10mbps, about half of a typical verizon fios subscriber's bandwidth.
but that is still double the bandwidth a cable user gets after the signal has been split but once. add one or two more splitter (For the ballers in the big houses) and throw in a tool who thinks everything will work over wireless and you have an unwatchable movie.

hell, 30% of the time youtube.com can't keep up. streaming won't dominate anything HD for at least 5-10 years. serious upgrades are needed. ontop of which HD will become even more HD down the road which will require more and more bandwidth. it's a dog chasing it's tail.
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:26 PM   #16
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Streaming HD-Audio and 1080p is far from being a viable option in less than 3 years.
This...

I still can't even get a one hour HD show recorded on my comcast DVR without a bit of pixellation.... streaming HD with audio.... Ha I say, Ha.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:59 PM   #17
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THANK YOU.

The people who think streaming media is even remotely good are either blind, deaf, or both. People who grew up on mp3's and think they sound "just fine" fall into this camp as well.

Ever watch an on-demand "HD" movie? Garbage. The compression is atrocious. Most live HDTV is still garbage as well. I don't think that film makers intended for their work to be seen in large chunky blocks of color.

The whole "it's good enough" argument just amazes me.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:33 PM   #18
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THANK YOU.

The people who think streaming media is even remotely good are either blind, deaf, or both. People who grew up on mp3's and think they sound "just fine" fall into this camp as well.

Ever watch an on-demand "HD" movie? Garbage. The compression is atrocious. Most live HDTV is still garbage as well. I don't think that film makers intended for their work to be seen in large chunky blocks of color.

The whole "it's good enough" argument just amazes me.
hey now... don't forget to blame the crappy STBs ...

BTW my HD box works much better now that I put a small dc fan over the vents to circulate some air in that thing.

it used to be a freakin' oven and now it's a refrigerator and everything looks better.
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:18 PM   #19
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THANK YOU.

The people who think streaming media is even remotely good are either blind, deaf, or both. People who grew up on mp3's and think they sound "just fine" fall into this camp as well.

Ever watch an on-demand "HD" movie? Garbage. The compression is atrocious. Most live HDTV is still garbage as well. I don't think that film makers intended for their work to be seen in large chunky blocks of color.

The whole "it's good enough" argument just amazes me.
still, it's streaming delivery. and, it's struggling, as you mention, to even begin to unseat DVD, let alone competing with bluray or HD-DVD. Given the right tv (SD CRT) streaming a 480p stream looks better in some cases than trying to stream a 720p hd feed.

having said that, most people think streaming media is ok. remember, many of these people have been suffering with poor antenna reception on their analog channels as their primary tv source. the biggest problem for the industry is that DVD, limitations included, is a pretty good format, and things like upscaling algorithms, etc., make it very watchable on even new high end equipment. there aren't big upgrades in performance like there were going from tape to DVD, it's actually a downgrade in many cases now.

bandwidth isn't free, also, but a small enough number of users are streaming that it's not driving the show. I see people owning/renting discs for a while, though, and streaming for less quality critical and more time critical stuff more and more.

btw, for the "HD-DVD sour grapes" people, I own a HD-DVD player and an HTPC, and still believe DVD will be dominant for a long time, and blu ray far from its peak. HTPC's bring lots of headaches and streaming SD can be tempermental over a wired connection, let alone a wireless connection.
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Name a better and more convenient movie-watching experience than an HDTV, blu-ray on PS3, and Netflix.

You can't.
Streaming HD via network connection

I did it.....oh noes!!!
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Old 01-08-2009, 08:15 AM   #21
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Name a better and more convenient movie-watching experience than an HDTV, blu-ray on PS3, and Netflix.

You can't.
Downloading 1080p over Usenet and playing them on an HTPC.
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You can't.
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this snooze fest again?

someone fell the tree
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not another one of these
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