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Old 03-27-2020, 04:57 PM   #151
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Toyo USA inquired to all of us, if there was interest. There was. But the Tom Balls of Toyo USA basically said no but we may see the powerplant/drivetrain in the f'in Corolla.

F them.
the corolla has a hatchback body. what the yaris gr engine goes in the corolla hatchback.
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Old 03-27-2020, 05:44 PM   #152
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Toyo USA inquired to all of us, if there was interest. There was. But the Tom Balls of Toyo USA basically said no but we may see the powerplant/drivetrain in the f'in Corolla.

F them.
Yup it is some BS. Would of thought Mr. Toyoda would of wanted his love of fun cars to be in his biggest market. Corolla with the Yaris GR setup would be slow and we know it will be bloated.
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:30 PM   #153
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I think the GR setup in the Corolla would be half decent but what I think they will do is offer it in the C-HR.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:12 PM   #154
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I think the GR setup in the Corolla would be half decent but what I think they will do is offer it in the C-HR.
Which is a complete slap in the face and another thing no one asked for. Just like the 4 cylinder Supra...
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:23 PM   #155
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This article says sorry, no turbo for you!

https://www.motor1.com/news/414380/t...u-brz-upgrade/

Also, by performance oriented automatic transmission, surely they don’t mean CVT, eh? Heh
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Old 04-23-2020, 06:24 PM   #156
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If they keep the weight and price similar, I don’t think a NA 2.4 would be that bad.

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Old 04-23-2020, 06:42 PM   #157
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What in the literal **** is this.
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Old 04-23-2020, 08:29 PM   #158
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This article says sorry, no turbo for you!

https://www.motor1.com/news/414380/t...u-brz-upgrade/

Also, by performance oriented automatic transmission, surely they don’t mean CVT, eh? Heh
and again our hopes for a proper brz worth looking at are dashed. cars like the veloster N and golf gti will eat the new brz alive
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Old 04-23-2020, 09:13 PM   #159
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BRZ with close to 220 hp will be great, as long as the torque dip is gone. I definitely don't agree with it needed a turbo. Just more NA powah.
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Old 04-23-2020, 09:22 PM   #160
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According to Autoevolution, I may have been close with my power estimates of a naturally aspirated FA24 for the twins. No idea on the credibility of this rumor..

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...21-141165.html

"Word has it the 2.0-liter FA20 will be replaced by a 2.4 similar in design to the FA24 but without the forced induction of the twin-scroll turbocharger. The free-breathing version of the FA24 is expected with 217 horsepower and 177 pound-feet, specifications that seem likely when compared to the output of the FA20."

The extra torque would be welcomed.. but will the torque dip finally be eliminated?

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I think we'll see the Twins with a naturally aspirated, high-ish revving FA24D (w/D-4S) with a 15-20% power bump (~225-245 hp & 170-190 lb-ft) thanks to the ~20% increase in displacement.. and of course the option for a manual transmission. I'm guessing the redline will be between 7,000-7,500 rpm considering the FA24 & FA20 share the same 86mm stroke. The added weight and friction from the larger diameter pistons may cause them to drop the redline down a bit from the current 7,400 rpm.

I really hope they adopt Mazda's philosophy for the Miata of "Adding Lightness" to keep the curb weight around 2,800 lbs or lower.

A naturally aspirated (Subaru) engine, manual transmission, and backseat will differentiate it from the BMW Supra (Edit: Especially with the recent announcement of the 3,1xx lb, 255hp/295lb-ft turbo 4 Supra). Being a lightweight, naturally aspirated, RWD coupe will also keep it out of the WRX/STI territory.
I suspect the turbocharged, 255 hp 86 rumors were confused with the 4 cylinder Supra.. or maybe just wishful thinking? or clickbait to draw traffic to their websites.
Another article surfaced supporting the naturally aspirated 217 hp & 177 lb-ft rumor that I posted back in February:
https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/145903

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 However, the major evolution is said to be the engine and transmission system. It is natural that performance will be improved by that, and for Subaru it is also essential to improve safety by adopting the evolved eye sight.

 The engine will be changed from the current 2L, FA20 to 2.4L FA24, the power will be increased from 207ps to 220ps (217 hp), and the torque will be increased from 21.6kgm to 24.5kgm (177 lb-ft).

 Although it is not a radical evolution in terms of specifications, the AT model is specialized for ease of use while maintaining the sportiness of the AT model in response to the new era. This will be a big weapon for the next 86 / BRZ.

 Of course, Aisin AW's 6-speed MT is available, but demand for AT is increasing not only in the big market of North America but also globally, and the scale of the engine is being scaled up from the importance of torque characteristics. In other words, the sports car that everyone can enjoy is the theme of the next 86 / BRZ.

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Old 04-23-2020, 11:28 PM   #161
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Needs a turbo. No turbo? No care. GFY again for another 9 years.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:48 AM   #162
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The next gen BRZ should gain some HP and lose some weight, like the Miata ND did. Anything over 2700 lbs is too heavy for a car that size. Maybe work on the smoothness of the engine as well (and get rid of torque dip).
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:23 AM   #163
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I think it Will be made in Toyota factories, to open up some production numbers for Subaru. It's the reverse world as camry's we're made at subaru
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:23 PM   #164
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The next gen BRZ should gain some HP and lose some weight, like the Miata ND did. Anything over 2700 lbs is too heavy for a car that size. Maybe work on the smoothness of the engine as well (and get rid of torque dip).
It needs a Toyota inline engine and a dual-wishbone front suspension to compete with the Miata. The damn overly expensive, torque-dippy, flat engine is too wide and the parts bin stamped-steel strut front end are the worst parts of the whole affair. Give the M20A (newest Toyota I-4) a Yamaha tune with bored cylinders, forged pistons, a shorter throw crank (better stroke:rod ratio and better high RPM operation), aggressive stock VVT-iE tuning for high end operation, a dry sump to lower the engine down into the chassis and take the opportunity to add stock oil cooling. Boom, enthusiast tuner special that is fun out of the box, easily modified for big power, and easily tracked.

Even better: Build a JZ (I6) successor and give us a 8,500rpm 1.8L version and later a 2.0L at the mid-cycle.


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Old 04-24-2020, 02:03 PM   #165
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It needs… a dual-wishbone front suspension to compete with the Miata... the parts bin stamped-steel strut front end are the worst parts of the whole affair.
You do realize that countless BMW M and Porsche models use a strut front suspension, right?
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Old 04-24-2020, 02:54 PM   #166
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Just needs to be a high-rev 230+hp with a linear power band to sell. Plus ditch that non-integrated radio. a heads up display with RPM.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:03 PM   #167
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You do realize that countless BMW M and Porsche models use a strut front suspension, right?
Yeah but this a Subaru, not a Porsche or BMW. Strut setups can be good if a properly setup, but its not optimal for road racing. Dirt is another story, though....

Its just odd that Subaru would produce a new spin off of the fa24 when the current wrx engine would be amazing, and probably cheaper due to just dipping in the parts bin.

I love Subarus, and as an owner of everything from the 80s up, including their big NA engines (Svx, outback 3.0, and a tribeca 3.6) I would say Subarus strength is not in their NA setups. NA engines have their place but the turbo setups are soooo much more mod friendly. The aftermarket support would better and hopefully that could push the car into more motorsports. I just dont get, and i currently have a miata in my driveway...

Please go turbo with 250 plus hp. If that happens i will be an early buyer.
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^^ Agreed. It’s not like Subaru’s NA engines are high-revving amazing track engines anyway. Car needs a turbo in a bad way.
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Old 04-26-2020, 03:21 PM   #169
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BRZ with close to 220 hp will be great, as long as the torque dip is gone. I definitely don't agree with it needed a turbo. Just more NA powah.
Turbo factors into my math because ez power potential.

220 is still a bit weaksauce, and unless it's a bespoke engine like the f20c in NA form, adding power will be hard.

220 with no turbo? Too weak for my taste. Will take thousands to get it where I REALLY want it.
220 with a turbo? Really more like 270; that entices me for sure. That's getting there. Just drop the rex engine in it, block off the front axle holes, call it a day.
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Turbo factors into my math because ez power potential.

220 is still a bit weaksauce, and unless it's a bespoke engine like the f20c in NA form, adding power will be hard.

220 with no turbo? Too weak for my taste. Will take thousands to get it where I REALLY want it.
220 with a turbo? Really more like 270; that entices me for sure. That's getting there. Just drop the rex engine in it, block off the front axle holes, call it a day.
I don't agree. I owned a 2015 FRS(86) and it had what, 200hp and 151tq?

The car felt great once you got it going. The issue was the lack of tq, not so much the lack of hp.

So if they did something like 220hp and 180ish tq the car would be perfect for me. Maybe not power hunger people....but no offense, if you want power this was never the car for those kinds of people.

I'd personally buy a BRZ in WRB in the future to match my STI
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Old 04-26-2020, 05:50 PM   #171
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Maybe not power hunger people....but no offense, if you want power this was never the car for those kinds of people.
No one makes a big(ish) power, tiny, lightweight(ish) hardtop coupe. Except the supra, which has exactly 0 comparative value when you look at the price point it's at.

Last time I can think of something gracing what I'm interested in was the FD. Next up would be s2000, which was already pushing it in terms of being anemic on power, and it's definitely faster than a twin.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:28 AM   #172
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Needs a turbo. No turbo? No care. GFY again for another 9 years.
It's what customers have been asking for since year 1.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:41 PM   #173
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And I still say Toyota donīt want a turbo because it would be too close to the Supra, hp-wise.

And a german Subaru dealer I know personally donīt expect a second Gen BRZ.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:19 PM   #174
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And I still say Toyota donīt want a turbo because it would be too close to the Supra, hp-wise.

And a german Subaru dealer I know personally donīt expect a second Gen BRZ.
Too many media outlets basically reporting the same thing. A new car with more power. It may not be what everyone wants but there will probably be a second gen. If it comes with a turbo, I am interested.
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Europe might not get a Gen 2, but it's coming elsewhere. And without a turbo.
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