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Old 01-14-2022, 08:36 PM   #4701
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You know, as time passes and I keep seeing the car, I keep thinking to myself: maybe I was wrong, maybe it does get better.

It doesn't. It's disgustingly atrocious to look at
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:07 PM   #4702
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Just paint it STi pink from the arches down. Let's see it.
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:10 PM   #4703
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Replace that back bumper and I don’t mind it too much
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:16 PM   #4704
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:35 PM   #4705
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Since 2001 I have owned 5 manuals, 2 CVT and 2 Teslas (single gear). My last manual was the 2018 STI which I miss (except for the harsh suspension, not her fault, our roads fault). Teslas (or any one-pedal drive EV) is in between manual and automatic bc you can drive it really poorly, and you need to modulate your foot to be smooth, like a manual. I miss driving manual, but I know sometimes it is nice to just cruise and not think about it. I rented a 5MT Suzuki Jimny in Iceland, slow and unrefined, but it was fun to shift again. The clutch/gates reminded me of a WRX.

I hear ya. I've been w/o a manual now for a couple of years and I miss it. My next car will have a ZF8-AT, if the factory gets over the shortages, and I am worried I'll get bored with it. I need a three car so I can have another STI also.

I can see missing it once my DD is gone; but, I'll always have one! I'll just pull out my Sambar Firetruck and drive it around(which I do periodically to keep it good).



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Except you were around when the burden of proof was posted real time. Not my fault if you don’t absorb everything you should. Also, you forgot your signature.

I don't remember anything about bankruptcy in the 2000s. Just the 90s.


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That looks really good minus the wing and the red stripe. I am not sure why manufactures are pushing this red stripe trim. VW put in on the front of the facelifted GLI and it looks awful. Same with the Elantra N. It looks terrible.

STI has done Cherry Red strip for a long time. This isn't necessarily new.
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Old 01-14-2022, 09:45 PM   #4706
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Oh my god! That rear bumper is just awful!
The horror!



Oh. I think the rear fog and the STI emblem/sticker fixes it all!!!
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Old 01-14-2022, 10:32 PM   #4707
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The front of the Levorg just flows so much better in that fog light section.
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Old 01-14-2022, 10:59 PM   #4708
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This just makes me angry at Subaru
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Old 01-14-2022, 11:40 PM   #4709
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This just makes me angry at Subaru
You have every right!
Me too. But I'll take mine without the tacky red piping.
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Old 01-15-2022, 12:37 AM   #4710
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Subaru almost went bankrupt in the mid 2000's making all of the cars enthusiasts would have them make
Subaru had one terrible fiscal year (FY2008) and posted a loss during the next fiscal year as well.

Subaru released the Tribeca in 2005 as an 06 model. It was not well received; Subaru then threw good money after bad on an emergency facelift for the 08MY, just in time for the global financial crisis. I'd blame that fiasco for Subaru's bad 1.5 years before "catering to enthusiasts."
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Old 01-15-2022, 12:41 AM   #4711
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Subaru had one terrible fiscal year (FY2008) and posted a loss during the next fiscal year as well.

Subaru released the Tribeca in 2005 as an 06 model. It was not well received; Subaru then threw good money after bad on an emergency facelift for the 08MY, just in time for the global financial crisis. I'd blame that fiasco for Subaru's bad 1.5 years before "catering to enthusiasts."



Not sure how much of the Tribeca fix was financed by Subaru as it was already going to be the Saab look. Minimal changes to make it Subaru.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:01 AM   #4712
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You have every right!
Me too. But I'll take mine without the tacky red piping.
The rear wiper arms need to be hot cherry blossom.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:47 AM   #4713
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Subaru had one terrible fiscal year (FY2008) and posted a loss during the next fiscal year as well.

Subaru released the Tribeca in 2005 as an 06 model. It was not well received; Subaru then threw good money after bad on an emergency facelift for the 08MY, just in time for the global financial crisis. I'd blame that fiasco for Subaru's bad 1.5 years before "catering to enthusiasts."
Subaru soared during the financial crisis. It floundered during the years prior when the rest of the industry was going gangbusters.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:09 AM   #4714
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I missed how mid 2000s financials were relevant to the 2022 WRX. The only thing I can think is as a way to excuse the lack of hatchback/wagon? Is that right?

Maybe you all didn't notice the pictures above. There is already a WRX wagon. So I think we can call the development costs handled.

Otherwise, what are we even talking about here?
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Old 01-15-2022, 09:53 AM   #4715
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The rear wiper arms need to be hot cherry blossom.



Oh, that would be nice!
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Old 01-15-2022, 11:03 AM   #4716
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Gosh that angle looks awful, the front fenders are cut so high. The front wheels look like 20's and the rears look like 15's. Then the rear quarter panel the way it pinches on top into the trunk lid makes the rear look tiny. What a mess.

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Old 01-15-2022, 12:20 PM   #4717
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I'm getting a really bad feeling the STI isn't going to come with painted body cladding. This generation could be a turning point of no recovery for these cars. Next gen will probably be a Toyota made EV so it's a shame Subaru would go out with a whimper like this.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:26 PM   #4718
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No news on the sti at the Tokyo show. Very surprising. Usually by now we see something…….wait for the bombshell reaction to the news that the EJ will make a return for the next gen STI - it will be same spec as the S209.
Type RA had special parts that ended up in the next years Sti. Same will be w/the S209.
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Old 01-15-2022, 01:27 PM   #4719
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Gosh that angle looks awful, the front fenders are cut so high. The front wheels look like 20's and the rears look like 15's. Then the rear quarter panel the way it pinches on top into the trunk lid makes the rear look tiny. What a mess.

This must be one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen.
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Old 01-15-2022, 02:59 PM   #4720
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The Savagegeese review was good. They did a good job highlighting the improvements and how much better drivability is.

The stock tune on the GR was ass though and the minute I tuned mine it was like driving a whole different car.

But for someone who doesn't want to mod/tune the new car will be better.

I just still am hung up on the exterior styling and I'm tired of the excuses about the power. As the dyno proved the new car makes less overall torque but has like 20% more displacement. My gut tells me it's because of emissions because this car is really bad for MPG for a modern 4 cylinder turbo. I'm making roughly 400hp/tq on my 3.0 Supra and am averaging 19mpg and am in sport mode and drive the car aggressively most of the time. That's almost the same MPG as the new WRX which is crazy.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:42 PM   #4721
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The Savagegeese review was good. They did a good job highlighting the improvements and how much better drivability is.

The stock tune on the GR was ass though and the minute I tuned mine it was like driving a whole different car.

But for someone who doesn't want to mod/tune the new car will be better.

I just still am hung up on the exterior styling and I'm tired of the excuses about the power. As the dyno proved the new car makes less overall torque but has like 20% more displacement. My gut tells me it's because of emissions because this car is really bad for MPG for a modern 4 cylinder turbo. I'm making roughly 400hp/tq on my 3.0 Supra and am averaging 19mpg and am in sport mode and drive the car aggressively most of the time. That's almost the same MPG as the new WRX which is crazy.
Bruh, don’t worry, Subaru spent a lot of time and money on engineering to tackle that problem, it’s called hexagonal textured plastic. Look it up brah, golf balls have them. It’ll give the car like an 1 MPG, it’s all gravy.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:44 PM   #4722
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I mean, an FP Blue turbo can make these numbers on an FA20DIT. Even if peak doesn't change all that much on an FA24DIT running the same turbo, achieving peak torque 1-2k RPMs earlier would significantly transform so much about the car. Like broken stuff.

SG review says it's a better starting point. A better starting point to spend more money.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:55 PM   #4723
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There's going to be a lot of tuning potential with the new WRX for sure. But I would be afraid to "break stuff" right now as parts could take months to get in.
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Old 01-15-2022, 04:24 PM   #4724
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I mean, an FP Blue turbo can make these numbers on an FA20DIT. Even if peak doesn't change all that much on an FA24DIT running the same turbo, achieving peak torque 1-2k RPMs earlier would significantly transform so much about the car. Like broken stuff.

SG review says it's a better starting point. A better starting point to spend more money.
Yeah I mean, the excuse of “here, we’re giving you a better more reliable platform for you to tune it”, is such a Mickey Mouse excuse. But hey, capitalism creates innovation and competition right….right…….
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Old 01-15-2022, 05:13 PM   #4725
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This must be one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen.
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Yeah I mean, the excuse of “here, we’re giving you a better more reliable platform for you to tune it”, is such a Mickey Mouse excuse. But hey, capitalism creates innovation and competition right….right…….
And Subaru is one of the more aggressive companies to deny warranty work for mods. So do t act mod friendly if your not.
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